Knox Letter

TheBrutalTruth

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Abridged letter from Troy Clarke, President of General Motors - followed by a response from our son, Gregory Knox:

Dear Employee,

Next week, Congress and the current Administration will determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis. As an employee, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.

Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

Troy Clarke
General Motors North America


From Gregory Knox,

In response to your request to call legislators and ask for a bailout for the United States automakers please consider the following, and please also pass this onto Troy Clark, the president of General Motors North America for me.

You are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has bred like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and
whose plague is now sweeping the nation, awaiting our new "messiah" to wave his magical wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream".

The dream is over!

The dream that we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities, and that still the masses will line up to buy our products

Don't tell me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's and Tier ones for 3 decades now throughout the Midwest and what I've seen over the years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

Mr Clark, the president of General Motors, states:

"There is widespread sentiment in this country, our government and especially in the media that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management. It is not."

You're right, it's not JUST management, ¦how about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass ¦so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40 hour week.

How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive (mustn't expose the lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?) Do you really not know about this stuff?!?

How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea:

"over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors."

What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!?

Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them?

The K car vs. the Accord?

The Pinto vs. the Civic?!?

Do I need to go on?

We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades.

Time to pay for your sins, Detroit.

I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money". Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like George Bush and Troy Clark would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day and something else would happen where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up. That is how a free market system works. It does work if we would let it work.

But for some reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work that we need the government to step in and "save us". Save us, hell! We're nationalizing and unfortunately too many of this once fine nations citizens don't even have a clue that this is what's really happening but they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams. Yeah, THAT'S important!

Does it occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades now in this country?...

How can that be???

Let's see:

Fuel efficient...

Listening to customers...

Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul...

Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr W Edwards Deming 4 decades ago...

Ever increased productivity through quality, lean and six sigma plans...

Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy"...

Efficient front and back offices....

Non union environment!

Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know in their hearts.

I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did at their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way), I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work them through.

Radical concept, huh?

Am I there for them in the wings? Of course, but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.

I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government.

Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins.

Bad news people, it's coming whether we like it or not.

The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away" I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the vote count was tallied. We might not do it in a year or in four. Where was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for the office?

Stop trying to put off the inevitable.

That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000.

People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits.

That job driving that forklift for the big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year.

We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe.

That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home!

Let the market correct itself people. It will. Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it is a nation that appreciates what is has and doesn't live beyond its means. Gets back to basics, and redevelops the work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world and probably turns back to God.

Sorry don't cut my head off, I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news".

Gregory J Knox
President
Knox Machinery, Inc.
Franklin, Ohio 45005

Pretty bad when even suppliers are saying that the Big 3 Don't deserve a Bail Out.
 

Microdizzey

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I foresee riots due to unpopular government decisions. Now everyone should understand why they're bringing back military from Iraq for domestic civil unrest. If you don't believe they are bringing back military, stop being a dumbass. CNN has reported about it three times already.

Cause it won't just be simple little riots in random areas. They need more firepower for the damage we will do when they really piss us off.
 

VTXDave

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Excellent post my friend. Unfortunately, those fuckers in Congress and the White House are going to do it anyway whether we like it or not. We no longer have representatives...we have <gag> umm...<hack>...LEADERS. :roll:
 

misshestermoffitt

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I think the american riots are not that far off. People are going to get really sick really fast of trying to scrape by while their hard earn tax dollars are being pissed away by CEO's that make multiple millions per year.

It's coming.......hell I heard just this morning that churches are now being foreclosed on. They bulld these huge fancy buildings and now their donations are down and they can't make their payments. I wasn't aware that god needed such a fancy building, I thought he was supposed to be everywhere?
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I think the american riots are not that far off. People are going to get really sick really fast of trying to scrape by while their hard earn tax dollars are being pissed away by CEO's that make multiple millions per year.

It's coming.......hell I heard just this morning that churches are now being foreclosed on. They bulld these huge fancy buildings and now their donations are down and they can't make their payments. I wasn't aware that god needed such a fancy building, I thought he was supposed to be everywhere?
Is there anything to say that God doesn't need such a Fancy Building?

Though actually I kind of agree, but it really depends on the Church. I mean if they have a congregation that's big enough to justify it, and if they aren't going to have to go into debt to do it, then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't build cathedrals.

Though if they do have to go into debt, perhaps they should worry more about just doing repairs and saving up to build their cathedral.

Religion does not mean that you can ... deny reality.

We have politics for that.
 

medicineman

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Some really sick anti-union shit. The unions have built the middle class. As a pro-union worker most of my life, let me say I never saw union members sitting on their asses while the clock was running. If these things have an ounce of truth, it seems that management isn't doing their job. On any job I ever worked on, If I'd of tried any of the things said in that letter, I'd of been fired on the spot. I have never observed this kind of behavior on any union Job I've ever been on. I always gave my due and never slacked. My view of any job I ever had was this: If Myself and all the rest of the employees didn't do our jobs, the company that paid our wages might go bust. A busted company can fund no wages. It seems pretty simple to me. That letter is bullshit!
 

urmomis100

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Some really sick anti-union shit. The unions have built the middle class. As a pro-union worker most of my life, let me say I never saw union members sitting on their asses while the clock was running. If these things have an ounce of truth, it seems that management isn't doing their job. On any job I ever worked on, If I'd of tried any of the things said in that letter, I'd of been fired on the spot. I have never observed this kind of behavior on any union Job I've ever been on. I always gave my due and never slacked. My view of any job I ever had was this: If Myself and all the rest of the employees didn't do our jobs, the company that paid our wages might go bust. A busted company can fund no wages. It seems pretty simple to me. That letter is bullshit!
Med, your in denial. Look at the teachers unions. You cant get rid of a teacher anymore, because of the unions. Yea, unions built the middle class, then they fucked everyone. To make a career teaching: get a job in the public school system, hold it for 3 years, then have your high school students play with blocks; you cant legally be fired, because of the unions. The auto unions may not be as bad, but if one of the employees described got fired the omnipotent unions would fuck them up.
 

urmomis100

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BTW, just a hypothetical question to all. If the logic is that a big corporation that runs itself into the ground should be left alone, because new, more competent ones would follow, couldnt the same logic be applied to our government? What Im saying is, the first most important thing to overthrowing a nations government is one that the people of the country find illegitimate. Lets just say in the next 20 years, this country faces a serious threat to national security. Do we grab our guns (if that ass wipe doesnt take em) and go woop ass, or do we just let it happen, and let a new, more competent government be put into place. Or do we defend the country we love, and just hope that it turns itself around?
 

TheBrutalTruth

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BTW, just a hypothetical question to all. If the logic is that a big corporation that runs itself into the ground should be left alone, because new, more competent ones would follow, couldnt the same logic be applied to our government? What Im saying is, the first most important thing to overthrowing a nations government is one that the people of the country find illegitimate. Lets just say in the next 20 years, this country faces a serious threat to national security. Do we grab our guns (if that ass wipe doesnt take em) and go woop ass, or do we just let it happen, and let a new, more competent government be put into place. Or do we defend the country we love, and just hope that it turns itself around?
First off, if you are talking about some retards invading US Soil, then I'd grab my gun and go hunting. It's not any one else's government but our's to hate (and to wish that it'd be replaced with a more sane government.)

The moment some assholes come onto US Soil I'll fight. Mostly, because at that point I'm fighting for the nation and not the government.
 

medicineman

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Med, your in denial. Look at the teachers unions. You cant get rid of a teacher anymore, because of the unions. Yea, unions built the middle class, then they fucked everyone. To make a career teaching: get a job in the public school system, hold it for 3 years, then have your high school students play with blocks; you cant legally be fired, because of the unions. The auto unions may not be as bad, but if one of the employees described got fired the omnipotent unions would fuck them up.
In case you didn't notice, that anti-union letter was written by the president of a company, Duuuhhhh. I'm sure every president of every company would like to shitcan the unions, cut pay and benefits and regain their ultimate control oner the serfs that toil for them. It's good to be King. BTW teachers can be fired. Administrators just have to make a good case against them.
 

urmomis100

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In case you didn't notice, that anti-union letter was written by the president of a company, Duuuhhhh. I'm sure every president of every company would like to shitcan the unions, cut pay and benefits and regain their ultimate control oner the serfs that toil for them. It's good to be King. BTW teachers can be fired. Administrators just have to make a good case against them.
Med, in alot of states, they cannot be fired, and surely not where Im from, which is 49th only to Mississippi in education. Yes, they can move them to some shit teaching job, but they cant get rid of em.
 

urmomis100

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First off, if you are talking about some retards invading US Soil, then I'd grab my gun and go hunting. It's not any one else's government but our's to hate (and to wish that it'd be replaced with a more sane government.)

The moment some assholes come onto US Soil I'll fight. Mostly, because at that point I'm fighting for the nation and not the government.

Same here, like I said, hypothetical question. Like at the end of Harold and Kumar 2, you dont have to believe in your govmt. to be a good American, you just have to believe in your country.:joint:
 

Microdizzey

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First off, if you are talking about some retards invading US Soil, then I'd grab my gun and go hunting. It's not any one else's government but our's to hate (and to wish that it'd be replaced with a more sane government.)

The moment some assholes come onto US Soil I'll fight. Mostly, because at that point I'm fighting for the nation and not the government.
What if the invasion is by our own military? If chaos is in the streets, they will hunt down the rioters like dogs. Which will give them an excuse to harm everybody, because apparently... anyone can be a terrorist. Ever heard of the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007? How about the Terrorist Watch List that contains one million+ American names? And of course, everybody knows about the Patriot Act.

They are pushing the American people to the edge. Look at what they've done to our economy... and how bad they manipulated gas prices months ago. More and more people are starting to get pissed off, and soon enough there will be a rebellion.


Oh, and then there's a possibility for a terrorist attack. Which would obviously put our country upside down. So much things could happen tomorrow and nobody is doing anything about it. Nobody wants to store food, collect precious metals... hell... nobody even wants to think about it.


It's way passed time to start paying attention. Buy store-able foods for you and your family (we have a depression looming, come on people!). Buy guns and ammo before they are taken off shelves. SAVE YOUR WEED SEEDS! :lol:

Anyone ever see Children of Men? Watch it. It will give you a good idea of what things are going to look like in the next year or two. Besides the "women can't make babies anymore" part. lol
 

medicineman

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Med, in alot of states, they cannot be fired, and surely not where Im from, which is 49th only to Mississippi in education. Yes, they can move them to some shit teaching job, but they cant get rid of em.
In Nv., they have "Tenure" which makes it difficult to fire, not impossible. They are deciding on whether they can fire teachers that can't pass a competentcy test. I am all for firing teachers that can't pass that test. BTW, funny how your state is ranked 49th as we are also ranked 49th only Alaska is worse. I'll guarantee you that the majority of anti-union positions are from managements perspective. I'll also agree that incompetent teachers should either be allowed to regain their competency through school or training or be fired. I also want you to know that when I went to school in Nv. , 55 years ago, we were ranked in the top 3. I think most years we were #1
 

urmomis100

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In Nv., they have "Tenure" which makes it difficult to fire, not impossible. They are deciding on whether they can fire teachers that can't pass a competentcy test. I am all for firing teachers that can't pass that test. BTW, funny how your state is ranked 49th as we are also ranked 49th only Alaska is worse. I'll guarantee you that the majority of anti-union positions are from managements perspective. I'll also agree that incompetent teachers should either be allowed to regain their competency through school or training or be fired. I also want you to know that when I went to school in Nv. , 55 years ago, we were ranked in the top 3. I think most years we were #1
I live in Cali and that stat was from a couple years ago, that we were 49th only above Mississippi, but the general idea is that OUR SCHOOLS SUCK. And perhaps you are right that many anti-union radicalists are management folk, but I would argue that many Union radicalists are people that see an oppurtunity to be lazy and get paid for it. So neither side really hits the nail right on the head. Of course, we could COMPROMISE, but I dont think that's happened in Washington in a long ass time. I doubt Bush even knows what it means,
 

urmomis100

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What if the invasion is by our own military? If chaos is in the streets, they will hunt down the rioters like dogs. Which will give them an excuse to harm everybody, because apparently... anyone can be a terrorist. Ever heard of the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007? How about the Terrorist Watch List that contains one million+ American names? And of course, everybody knows about the Patriot Act.

They are pushing the American people to the edge. Look at what they've done to our economy... and how bad they manipulated gas prices months ago. More and more people are starting to get pissed off, and soon enough there will be a rebellion.


Oh, and then there's a possibility for a terrorist attack. Which would obviously put our country upside down. So much things could happen tomorrow and nobody is doing anything about it. Nobody wants to store food, collect precious metals... hell... nobody even wants to think about it.


It's way passed time to start paying attention. Buy store-able foods for you and your family (we have a depression looming, come on people!). Buy guns and ammo before they are taken off shelves. SAVE YOUR WEED SEEDS! :lol:

Anyone ever see Children of Men? Watch it. It will give you a good idea of what things are going to look like in the next year or two. Besides the "women can't make babies anymore" part. lol
Yea, Id grab my musket and go whoop ass! Just like the patriots. Every citizen must be a soldier, according to Thomas Jefferson, ready to get rid of the old government that it isnt working anymore. If the patriots rebelled against England because of its bullshit, I dont see why their will not be a rebellion in the states soon, the circumstances are similiar. Of course by musket I mean rifle.
 

urmomis100

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Which makes me feel extremely dumb, I would defend my nations govmt. against foreign invaders yet I would whoop my own governments ass if need be, which becomes more probable every day.
 

medicineman

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I believe this is what people in Iraq and Afghanistan feel also....
Exactly. The citizens of those countries feel invaded just as we would. Why do some people think it is alright for the US to go around the world invading countries and stealing their resources for the greedy corporations so they can in turn jack the prices and sell it to us? It is fucking insane.
 
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