Last spiel before my first own personal grow (Questions)

Hello everyone, so I've got multiple questions I could really use some answers/opinions to, I'd really appreciate it. (Not sure if this is the right sub-forum, but anywho)

Setup specifications:

Space: 5x5 Gorilla grow tent. (Buying GGT CFM Kit too to combat negative pressure bulges, maybe 2)
Lighting: 5x5 Samsung F series strips fixture from Omega light.
Medium: Soil by Kindsoil, read great reviews and journals, some bad, but the bad ones stick out like a sore thumb, so decided to test it out myself. And Roots organic or Fox Farm Coco Loco for top layer.
Pots: Root Trapper II.
Exhaust fan: Undecided
Intake fan: Undecided
Carbon filter: Undecided
Oscillating fans: Undecided

Gear/accessories/tools:

Pruning scissors
: Fiskars Non-stick Softgrip Micro-Tip Pruning Snip
Shears/scissors for stems: Fiskars P68 Smart Fit Bypass Pruner
Jars: 1 liter Korken
Magnification tool: Undecided
5x5 scrog: Undecided
Temperature/RH meter: Undecided

Everything hasn't been bought yet but this will be the intended setup.

First off, shout out to @nfhiggs for saving me a good amount of money on my fixture and other fees like custom fees. (roughly 430$). Was gonna go with a cob DIY kit originally from RapidLED, nice fixtures too.
Nfhiggs was very patient, helpful and consistent, hurled questions after questions at him about lights and other things Cannabis cultivating related. Probably got a bit tired of me in the end, understandably so. :lol:

Questions: (No specific order)

1. If you look up 1 liter Korken jar, how much dried bud do you think it could store? Whether they were long and thin or short and dense? Any rough gestimate? (Guess and estimate)

2. Can I fill a 5x5 scrog with 4 plants in a month from seed, or maybe 5 weeks and then 2 month flower? Or maybe I can do it in a month with 9 plants from seed? Really wanting a month veg and 2 month flower, give or take. What pot size if going with 4 plants or 9?

3. Is tent airflow and efficiency better if the intake and exhaust fans are in opposite locations? diagonal. Or would it be the same if the exhaust fan came out of the roof of the tent and not from the side?

4
. What materials should I use for a scrog frame? Any materials you should really avoid? What size of the individual square size should I go for? What size holes do you have?

5. Is this Loupe good enough? Like the quality of it, is 30x-60x magnification enough to see the Trichomes clearly? Beemoon loupe <--- (Link)

6. Any gear/accessories/tools you think I'm missing for a full cycle grow? Trimming? curing? Long term storage?

7. My tent is 7', but it comes with a 1' free extension kit, if majority of my grows will be scrogs, should I just forget about the extension kit or is it still beneficial to to use for like more space for heat to rise?

8. What size " carbon filter should I get for my tent size? As I intend to completely fill the scrog. And what company brand is the best? Read fair bit and many members here recommend Phresh, should I just go with them?

9. What brand is the best, silent, durable for exhaust and intake fans? What do you use?

10. Root Trapper II pots come in "squat" which are more wide and "regular?" tall ones, besides the different dimensions, does this actually effect the plant growth in any way? Like will squat pot make the plant grow somehow more horizontal bushy or is it just about roots growing more wide than tall?

11. What's the best, most used, accurate temperature/RH meter in one? What do you use?

12. What brand of fans should I use for oscillation? How much power should they be below canopy when in veg for just bit of air move to harden and stiffen them up, what about when in flower how much power should they be at below canopy? What about fans above canopy in veg and flower, what power to prevent PM to form?

13. Would GGT trellis be good enough to use for the scrog frame net? Or should I find something that's white so light bounces off instead?

14. Would it be wise to make the scrog frame attach to the tent corner poles? So the scrog won't need any legs. Or at full flower will the plants have enough force to push it up? Also reason for this so I can height adjust it myself, instead of having limited height due to legs.

15. Should I look into having like a RH probe, controller attached to a dehumidifier/humidifier Is that like a thing? Same question, but just temperature this time. Or is that excessive?

16. Is it hard to maintain a specific RH or heat mark?

17. What is the best brand for a humidifier, dehumidifier, heater or deheater if I need any of them? What do you guys use?

18. How many lumens from high efficiency LED lights per square foot, if I were to look into CO2 enrichment? I know I'll be using a tent but I think I can make it work, I read somewhere it should be 7500-10.000. But then on high times I read it was 3000 per square foot for 1500 PPM, 5000 lumens for 2000 PPM.

19. Same as question 11 but to put into jars.

Currently can't think of more questions, these are really that are left before I buy the rest of the stuff I need to start my grow. Also might make a journal using Kindsoil, would be nice having more journals around.

Thank you seriously for reading and or replying with some helpful answers, advice, experience, etc. :):peace::clap:
 
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Bugeye

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Just go with it. 4 plants is enough to start. A qt size jar usually holds about a ounce of loose buds and maybe two of dense buds. Rig the tent as big as it will go. Netting does not have to be white. You probably don't need pots bigger than 3 gallons, maybe 5. Good luck! I can't help with any brands.
 
Just go with it. 4 plants is enough to start. A qt size jar usually holds about a ounce of loose buds and maybe two of dense buds. Rig the tent as big as it will go. Netting does not have to be white. You probably don't need pots bigger than 3 gallons, maybe 5. Good luck! I can't help with any brands.
Thank you for the reply, Bugeye.

Here's a question I thought of today not aimed at you, just anyone. Is co2 we exhale worthwhile? Or is it a negligible amount, as if I had the light going during night time (Photosynthesis), would the extra accumulated co2 be useful?
 

Lola Grows

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Hello everyone, so I've got multiple questions I could really use some answers/opinions to, I'd really appreciate it. (Not sure if this is the right sub-forum, but anywho)

Setup specifications:

Space: 5x5 Gorilla grow tent. (Buying GGT CFM Kit too to combat negative pressure bulges, maybe 2)
Lighting: 5x5 Samsung F series strips fixture from Omega light.
Medium: Soil by Kindsoil, read great reviews and journals, some bad, but the bad ones stick out like a sore thumb, so decided to test it out myself. And Roots organic or Fox Farm Coco Loco for top layer.
Pots: Root Trapper II.
Exhaust fan: Undecided
Intake fan: Undecided
Carbon filter: Undecided
Oscillating fans: Undecided

Gear/accessories/tools:

Pruning scissors
: Fiskars Non-stick Softgrip Micro-Tip Pruning Snip
Shears/scissors for stems: Fiskars P68 Smart Fit Bypass Pruner
Jars: 1 liter Korken
Magnification tool: Undecided
5x5 scrog: Undecided
Temperature/RH meter: Undecided

Everything hasn't been bought yet but this will be the intended setup.

First off, shout out to @nfhiggs for saving me a good amount of money on my fixture and other fees like custom fees. (roughly 430$). Was gonna go with a cob DIY kit originally from RapidLED, nice fixtures too.
Nfhiggs was very patient, helpful and consistent, hurled questions after questions at him about lights and other things Cannabis cultivating related. Probably got a bit tired of me in the end, understandably so. :lol:

Questions: (No specific order)

1. If you look up 1 liter Korken jar, how much dried bud do you think it could store? Whether they were long and thin or short and dense? Any rough gestimate? (Guess and estimate)

2. Can I fill a 5x5 scrog with 4 plants in a month from seed, or maybe 5 weeks and then 2 month flower? Or maybe I can do it in a month with 9 plants from seed? Really wanting a month veg and 2 month flower, give or take. What pot size if going with 4 plants or 9?

3. Is tent airflow and efficiency better if the intake and exhaust fans are in opposite locations? diagonal. Or would it be the same if the exhaust fan came out of the roof of the tent and not from the side?

4
. What materials should I use for a scrog frame? Any materials you should really avoid? What size of the individual square size should I go for? What size holes do you have?

5. Is this Loupe good enough? Like the quality of it, is 30x-60x magnification enough to see the Trichomes clearly? Beemoon loupe <--- (Link)

6. Any gear/accessories/tools you think I'm missing for a full cycle grow? Trimming? curing? Long term storage?

7. My tent is 7', but it comes with a 1' free extension kit, if majority of my grows will be scrogs, should I just forget about the extension kit or is it still beneficial to to use for like more space for heat to rise?

8. What size " carbon filter should I get for my tent size? As I intend to completely fill the scrog. And what company brand is the best? Read fair bit and many members here recommend Phresh, should I just go with them?

9. What brand is the best, silent, durable for exhaust and intake fans? What do you use?

10. Root Trapper II pots come in "squat" which are more wide and "regular?" tall ones, besides the different dimensions, does this actually effect the plant growth in any way? Like will squat pot make the plant grow somehow more horizontal bushy or is it just about roots growing more wide than tall?

11. What's the best, most used, accurate temperature/RH meter in one? What do you use?

12. What brand of fans should I use for oscillation? How much power should they be below canopy when in veg for just bit of air move to harden and stiffen them up, what about when in flower how much power should they be at below canopy? What about fans above canopy in veg and flower, what power to prevent PM to form?

13. Would GGT trellis be good enough to use for the scrog frame net? Or should I find something that's white so light bounces off instead?

14. Would it be wise to make the scrog frame attach to the tent corner poles? So the scrog won't need any legs. Or at full flower will the plants have enough force to push it up? Also reason for this so I can height adjust it myself, instead of having limited height due to legs.

15. Should I look into having like a RH probe, controller attached to a dehumidifier/humidifier Is that like a thing? Same question, but just temperature this time. Or is that excessive?

16. Is it hard to maintain a specific RH or heat mark?

17. What is the best brand for a humidifier, dehumidifier, heater or deheater if I need any of them? What do you guys use?

18. How many lumens from high efficiency LED lights per square foot, if I were to look into CO2 enrichment? I know I'll be using a tent but I think I can make it work, I read somewhere it should be 7500-10.000. But then on high times I read it was 3000 per square foot for 1500 PPM, 5000 lumens for 2000 PPM.

19. Same as question 11 but to put into jars.

Currently can't think of more questions, these are really that are left before I buy the rest of the stuff I need to start my grow. Also might make a journal using Kindsoil, would be nice having more journals around.

Thank you seriously for reading and or replying with some helpful answers, advice, experience, etc. :):peace::clap:
Don’t overthink and you'll be just fine.
Lol I’ll take #4 , PVC and 3 inch holes are what I use. Got everything at Home Depot for under 20$ :)
 
Don’t overthink and you'll be just fine.
Lol I’ll take #4 , PVC and 3 inch holes are what I use. Got everything at Home Depot for under 20$ :)
Yeah, really being drawn to 4 plants, more floor space and easier to shave the girls. I like the idea of the frame being from PVC for sure, was thinking either 2.5" or 3" personally for the holes. Just wanted some more opinions. :smile:
 

Lola Grows

Well-Known Member
Yeah, really being drawn to 4 plants, more floor space and easier to shave the girls. I like the idea of the frame being from PVC for sure, was thinking either 2.5" or 3" personally for the holes. Just wanted some more opinions. :smile:
The pvc is easy to clean , plus you can raise or lower it easy by switching the leg sizes. Cheap and efficient. It’s hard to say what’s the best anything because I’ve seen the best come from multiple different brands. I use active-air for my exhaust fan , but I can’t claim it to be the best.

It would be hard to answer some of the questions without insulting brands I’ve never even used. The majority of it will be your lights, control of your environment, and the attention you give your grow. Imo.
 

growingforfun

Well-Known Member
Dont make it so complicated.. I feel like your spending a lot of money on name brand ish that's just paying for a name..
A cheap 100$ 5x5 tent is going to be as good at the name brand one your buying.. I patted 89$ shipped for my 5x5 tent and it's great. Nice thick canvas and great mylar finish inside. A tent dont need to cost more than 100$.

As for pots... for a new grower your not going to benifit at all from something fancy. And you'll honestly risk your plant. Airpots an the like can lead to uneven watering and cause the problems they claim to prevent.
A standard 5 gallon bucket with about 50 ish holes in the bottom with a 1/4 inch drill bit will never do you wrong bro.



My advise is to not over complicate it. Growing is simple. Less is more. dont touch the plants! Leave them be as much as you can. Training them is fine, scrogging them is perfect, but dont go in there every day and fondle them like a pair of titties.

Hope some of this helps.
 

growingforfun

Well-Known Member
Yeah I get you, @Lola Grows . Great avatar btw.

@growingforfun , fair opinion, might be over complicating things, kinda a me thing to do. Made me laugh about the part about the pair of tits.
I've been at this like 8 years. I've paid 650 for a tent on the top end, 86 on the low end. I've bought some really expensive containers, and some cheap ones. Ive really done this a lot of ways. I've bought advanced nutrients, I've bought organics, powders, liquids. Like maybe 10 or 15 differant lines of nutrients.
The distilled knowledge from all my time, is to keep it simple and cheaper stuff is as often as not, is actually better.

The expensive stuff is for newbie suckers.
 

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Can you fill a 5x5 scrog with 4 plants in a month veg from seed.

No. It takes me about 7 weeks for a 4x4 with 4 plants. 9 in a 4x4 yes but not scrog. 5x5 is much bigger.
4 or 5 plants makes scrogging easier in your space but will take more veg time. Might be ok with 8 weeks if you top early and don't stall them too much.

Try not to over think everything, planning and reading and learning will help you lots but experience counts much more.

RE extraction fans. There are no silent fans. Very little difference dB wise. Go with quality, can, ruck ect.. Same with filters, quality. Mountain air, rhino, phresh and many more...
 
How much CFM should a exhaust fan be for a 5x5x8 tent? What about the intake one? What difference in CFM on the exhaust and intake must there be for negative pressure to start to begin?
 

5BY5LEC

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You want to figure out your cubic feet for the 5x5 then decided how many times per minute you want your air extracted.
For instance if my tent was 100 cubic feet and I wanted the air exchanged 10 times a minute I would get a 1000 CFM fan.
I have a 5x5 and use one 6" but I have a very short run of duct, minimal bends and I live in a cold climate so you may need more.
 

5BY5LEC

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If you want to maintain a negative pressure you would need a larger exhaust fan than intake but, and someone correct me if I am wrong, the exhaust fan cannot suck in more air than the intake fan can push, like a computer case.
 
Thanks for the reply @5BY5LEC , I'm thinking a 8" hyper fan with a adequate Phresh filter, going to try out first having a passive intake, been reading a lot more. But definitely want slight negative pressure. I'm also looking for a bug/dust/hair filter some sort of a combo of them. Yeah I'm in more colder climates too, normal temps currently are like 19-21 celsius.

Edit: Forgot to say, either Hyper fan or Vortex.
 
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