rkymtnman
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yep, i do drain to waste so every time i dump and refill the res i add it.
Lazy Man's Way to Cleaner Hydroponic Cannabis
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Douglas.Curtis
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Set up your gardens with the right temps, use pharmaceutical grade nutrients in the correct balance for cannabis, (be sure you have zero stagnant areas), use r/o water and manage the reservoir the way I explained. You won't have any reason to run a 'sterile' rez or anything. The only issues are contamination by outside sources, which sucks but can be dealt with.
Any time I meet the conditions I mentioned, there are zero reasons to add or do anything to keep the roots healthy. This is LAZY MAN's way to smashing success. Both in ease of maint and cleanliness/quality of the results.
Any time I meet the conditions I mentioned, there are zero reasons to add or do anything to keep the roots healthy. This is LAZY MAN's way to smashing success. Both in ease of maint and cleanliness/quality of the results.
Budley Doright
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Drain to waste and your dumping your res?
rkymtnman
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when it gets below the level of the intake of my water pump. about every 10 days or so.
Budley Doright
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I run a 2 part mix made locally and hydroguard + Amino acid and it's a pretty lazy way as well, fill and forget for 5-14 days then refill which is all done by valves, takes 5 min. to complete and never add back, never have to change anything. My PH behaves a bit different I think in the fact that it drops over the period and as it gets to 5.5 it's ready to change, starting at 5.8ish strain dependant. I cut my teeth on outdoor grows so it's taken me a bit to dial the water part of the flood and drain using net pots In trays without using RO (not feasible ATM). After lowering temps to 66ish and adding the hydroguard, and amino my plants a flourishing. As for it being clean have you actually had any testing done on your product?
Douglas.Curtis
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The pH is because of your starting water. You'll really appreciate the switch to r/o when you make it.
None lab tested yet. I can taste and feel fabric softeners from your shirt, if you used 2 dryer sheets with the load of clothes it was in. I can taste and feel them from about 15 feet away.
Anyone who experiences my cleanest runs has also agreed, it's like smoking hash.
weedemart
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do you really think if u apply a line theres no place for faillure? im glad it works for you, doesnt mean it works for everyone.you claim its the way to cleaner hydroponic , i claim its the nasty way to grow hydroponic. last time i forget to dump my rez, i had sludge and slimy shit building on the wall of my rez and im not even using any organic. plant exude organics materiel,as you do when you piss and poo.
its like you would add shit in your food everytime you have a meal and claim its clean.
Budley Doright
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"The pH is because of your starting water. You'll really appreciate the switch to r/o when you make it."
Well I do have to make adjustments but I don't see the need for RO at the moment, needing to do what I would to get it, why would the ph fluctuation be the opposite using the RO?
Well I do have to make adjustments but I don't see the need for RO at the moment, needing to do what I would to get it, why would the ph fluctuation be the opposite using the RO?
rkymtnman
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i think it's the opposite. RO is less pH stable then tap (well) in my experience. I use RO just cause the only thing in it is what i put in it. i let Walmart keep my RO filters clean, well worth 37 cents a gallon IMO>
PKHydro
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Man your so full of shit. This statement right here is insane, do you really expect people to buy this crap??
And you keep going on about how "clean" your shit is. Define "clean", define "dirty".
PKHydro
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So you don't dump your res for 3 months, but are constantly topping it up and adding more nutrients. How the fuck do you know what your nutrient ratios are?
Plants absorb nutrients at different rates at different times. Your telling me you just let it ride for 3 months and keep adding the same Lucas formula ratios?
Plants absorb nutrients at different rates at different times. Your telling me you just let it ride for 3 months and keep adding the same Lucas formula ratios?
Budley Doright
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I run 60 gallons (3 res's) sometimes so just never considered buying it. It took 4 years to finally figure this stuff out, pretty much by picking out things that would help my situation being well water. My last run was my best yet for quality not necessarily yield though, working on that one next which is the environment re temps and humidity. As for what's in it, no clue lol. I think without actual testing anything saying it's clean is just an assumption but more power to op for attempting to keep it clean
. PS drier sheets are nasty shit lol.
Douglas.Curtis
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RO does not mess with the natural pH swing, created through plants absorbing nutrients. You want this swing and tap water around the world affects the pH differently.
Using R/O ensures zero contamination from the water and also means you won't have to re-learn hydroponics. Should you find yourself moving 3 blocks away to a new water supply.
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Douglas.Curtis
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I use a formula very close to Lucas. Since I'm only giving the plant what it needs, I have no need to see what the ratios are. All I need is a ppm/tds/ec meter to set the original strength. From there, I'm simply watching transpiration rates for nutrient adjustments.
Bingo! Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. The "differences" are so minimal, it has little to no detectable impact on quality. Smokes soooo smooth it's amazing.
Budley Doright
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But ok it behaves differently but why would it swing the opposite way. I base my res changes on the drop and when it gets to 5.5ish I change. Just don't understand unless my well water is somehow building unseen nutrient levels which would cause a swing down over a week but not registering on meter 
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Douglas.Curtis
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Your plants are absorbing the elements in your tap-water which affect pH.But ok it behaves differently but why would it swing the opposite way. I base my res changes on the drop and when it gets to 5.5ish I change. Just don't understand unless my well water is somehow building unseen nutrient levels which would cause a swing down over a week but not registering on meter
I get the same effect the first week of flower. I mix the res and use liquid silicon (after setting the pH at my lowest healthy point) to bring the pH up to 5.8. The first 7-10 days, the pH drops instead of rising. The pH drop from the silicon being absorbed is greater than the rise in pH from the nutrients being absorbed.
It eventually ends up around 5.8, after those first 7-10 days. The silicon is absorbed fairly quickly, since I don't use much in veg.
Neat stuff.
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Budley Doright
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Ya it is. It took a bit to find a nutrient that actually kept the ph at a stable level with out the monstrous changes in levels on a daily basisYour plants are absorbing the elements in your tap-water which affect pH.
I get the same effect the first week of flower. I mix the res and use liquid silicon (after setting the pH at my lowest healthy point) to bring the pH up to 5.8. The first 7-10 days, the pH drops instead of rising. The pH drop from the silicon being absorbed is greater than the rise in pH from the nutrients being absorbed.
It eventually ends up around 5.8, after those first 7-10 days. The silicon is absorbed fairly quickly, since I don't use much in veg.
Neat stuff.
Douglas.Curtis
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Crazy. I see people having lots of issues finding a nutrient regimen and after all these years I understand why. There's a huge difference in hydro between using a nutrient balanced for cannabis and not. The effect pH swing differences have on quality are minimal, compared to the balance of the mix. Without a balanced mix, frequently dumping the res is necessary since you really don't know what's left over, after the plants have been absorbing it for a while.
I Believe Living in a Prohibition State Helped Save Me Frustration
I did a lot of research, 15+ years ago, and ended up using Lucas for a few reasons. In 6 months of researching cannabisworld.com and overgrow.com, the lucas formula and method had these things going for it. (It's important to remember it's a nute mix AND a res management method)
- Had the highest number of newbies pulling off successful first grows (important as I was in Nevada and unable to ask questions)
- Had the highest number of experienced growers answering questions from newbies
- Had the fewest number of possible and consistently documented issues, with well documented information on cause/fix
- Used nutrients I could find in any grow shop or online
I actually spent 6 months researching and building a micro-box, before I ever started my first hydro. Zero issues the first time out.
Again, that was 15+ years ago and I've been working on improving my quality ever since.
weedemart
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lucas formula is not even close to be balanced/designed for cannabis. this was made like 10 years ago lol. if you want to make a specific nutrients you need to make tissue analysis. He didnt.
btw,you used lucas for the last 12yrs,you made research etc.... you should know even lucas recommended at that time dump rez every week because he stated the nutrient solution became unbalanced overtime...
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Budley Doright
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I don't add back for the simple reason I find it just as easy to dump and fill really. Also I add a few supplements and just feel it's better to add them to a fresh batch. The two that I add are hydroguard and vitanimo. Adding the vitanimo (amino acid) has really improved the grow and got rid of any blotching of the leaves which seems to be a huge problem for lots here. I don't need calmag anymore but still on occasion add a bit of Epsom salts for no other reason than its in the room lol. I have kept records and diaries of every grow so it's pretty much dialed in and just add nutes and walk away. What fucks me up is the stupid stoned in the shed stuff, leave lights in/off, leave vent. fans off, that was bad 
. Oh and forget if I added A or B then add both A lol. To say that your weed is cleaner than others is just not correct because you have no way of knowing with out testing, your just assuming it is. Until you test it and 10-15 other strains it's a theory, nothing more, come on over and I'll give you a hand in the hands on test, even though that won't prove shit it'll be fun.
. Oh and forget if I added A or B then add both A lol. To say that your weed is cleaner than others is just not correct because you have no way of knowing with out testing, your just assuming it is. Until you test it and 10-15 other strains it's a theory, nothing more, come on over and I'll give you a hand in the hands on test, even though that won't prove shit it'll be fun.