Leaf damage? Dtw coco

medidedicated

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Wind burn? I dont recall a bone dry dryback maybe just once so I increased frequency. Pretty sure. I get this sometimes in veg but its doing it everywhere every plant. Not as much runoff as flushing exactly per feed but good enough runoff but wont hurt to add few more shmeconds.

Sometimes it has this transperent leaf look its weird and some burn like damage idk. I went from 4x to 6x a day feed oh ok just checked its 5x a day now so yea could be that, my 3/3 plant went to 8x a day feed. In no time which is why they look screwed but hanging in there.
 

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Good morning team! Wake bake? Here the rest I was talkin about. They say this sites activity been the same but I noticed its been quieter time to time but its pickin back up wow. Welcome new comers! We need more activity just a little bit lol.

Il check runoff in a bit I just dont see much to change Ive never lowered ec with success.
 

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medidedicated

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Ec in 1.7 ec out 1.84 on the watermelon ultra smaller one shit let me just quote it. Its the left one.
Wind burn? I dont recall a bone dry dryback maybe just once so I increased frequency. Pretty sure. I get this sometimes in veg but its doing it everywhere every plant. Not as much runoff as flushing exactly per feed but good enough runoff but wont hurt to add few more shmeconds.

Sometimes it has this transperent leaf look its weird and some burn like damage idk. I went from 4x to 6x a day feed oh ok just checked its 5x a day now so yea could be that, my 3/3 plant went to 8x a day feed. In no time which is why they look screwed but hanging in there.
 

medidedicated

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Now that I say it, I was in fabric pots doing 1.1 ec 4x a day then switched to 1.7ec 1 gal plastic floraflex pots still 4x to now 1 gallon fabric pots. Its also got box fan in the tent and low humidity so it dries like a mofo.

So rolling back a bit I tried 8x a day in plastic pots got over fed but only did it as the floraflex pot kept overfilling. Root bound so bad even filled half way it pushes up and still almost becomes issue. Back to 4x a day and its beautiful.

Fast forward Im back to 8x a day but its actually needed… I think if I get overfed plants again I just now found a reason to lower ec without damage this time. Exactly what ec idk. I dropped ec once and got damage but it was the pump going out unnoticed in plastic pots.
 

medidedicated

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Thing is that runoff ec checked out in that one plant so hmm. Id think the runoff would still be high. I tried asking before, how does a true runoff test work? How should it be done EXACTLY?

Does feeding substantial runoff dilute the test? Does this traditional method based on making sure the runoff tray is clean? My tray wasnt I was lazy and its not all built up. My runoff ec was relatively low. How much runoff exactly should there be to get a clear idea of whats going on?

I remember people believing runoff testing isnt even valid like testing runoff ph which I see people genuinely do and with reason. Maybe I just read the leafs.
 

medidedicated

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If I get to harvest Im gonna be so damn relieved. Going through this doesnt get better until you get at least one harvest in. Then its like ok, ok… Airflow.. yeah! lol.
 

Drop That Sound

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Oh yeah, you can't can't really check on the roots huh.. No dropping the panties yet ;)

You'll know soon enough if something went wrong down there..

Probably is a little wind burn with all the extra direct air flow though. Didn't you say it was drying out so much it was falling over despite 5x feedings a day at some point? PM definitely won't thrive in conditions like that at least! Was that more due to dripper placement you think? I know its a pain in the ass dealing with the bug mesh around the pots, and running feed lines into it. I also know how something as simple as adding way more air flow via fans can throw everything off, and all your old cycle timings need to be dialed back in again, etc. That could for sure be the main problem and wiped out some of the roots when it happened. Especially when running a higher EC if the medium dries out, but sounds like your runoff numbers are on point. You switched to fabric pots at the same time too right? So yeah its probably just a combo of everything..

I gotta hand it to you though.. Looks like you'll pull it off and cross the finish line with some good buds! So many other growers wouldn't have ended up so lucky. With trashed out plants eventually ending up white as snow from being caked with PM, and hordes of gnats flying around no matter how much they sprayed and prayed..
 

medidedicated

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I appreaciate the help thanks, yea the plants just were wobbly and must of got so dry and top heavy with the box fan.. Yup probably. I just tied them to a pole, the ones that fell where floraflex plastic 1 gal half way filled pot I just transplanted to fabric. Two of them were 1L flora flex pots transfered to same size 1 gal fabric.

It wasnt a perfect fit like if it just was planted in those originally. With compacting coco by hand first getting a plump structure.

I never had that happen before but yea neither did I have all this going on with fans. Maybe the new clones in original fabric pots will grow better but shouldnt let it dry that bad anyway. The drippers as shotty as they are for this idea it works ok some pots I can see right in and by feel its ok.

Lifting them helps determine how dry it is especially when too dry. If they lose some weight between waterings to where it can fall over Im not sure . 8x a day every 3 hrs is pretty quick but believable I dont think it can get faster than that. The rest are on 6x a day I dont do 7 straight to 8 because 30mins isnt significant to see results.

Id say an hour isnt either but its just not this monocrop feel, they all have a mind of their own with different shaped rootballs. Some of them are so small the PL and KK are less than 1L because I dont fill them fully. I tried throwing some extra below it in transplanting but still pretty small.

The 3x3 plant is huge but still like a half gallon root ball but wonder if its literally uptaking faster than the rest. Not to ramble but I say that because they are only a week behind and still good with 6x a day. I already know my 3x3 plant needed 8x by now. So yea just got some messing around to do.
 

medidedicated

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Maybe theyre all good if I just check the dryback in each tent, still figuring out if they will need less ec at 6-8x a day fed. That each tent can be whatever times a day fed. I didnt put the rest of them box fans on a timer yet and its probably more comfortable for the plant to get blown from above then beside.

The veg tent plants look beautiful but they dont have as turbulant of flow on them like these two other flower tents. I did 4x a day at first so maybe bumping it up to 6x has them staying ok looking. My 3x3 plant is struggling but I think it will make it if it dont mold.

At this point flower more worried about budrot its got a thick enough structure. The rest probably ok I love this portoleche it looks budrot proof. I thought that about my WU though.
 

medidedicated

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At least Im pretty sure they kithed. Kithy kithy. I never seen a seed so fat it grew without a calyx. Im no breeder but I see a blown sac hanging off the portoleche and this kongs krush is knocked up but she also a herm. Willing to plant them all and see if I have a clear cross.

Im interested to see if it unlocks different pheno maybe trigger purple like both should be. Different smells yield in hash OMG up my ally. Two different breeders work and their mothers are pretty uniquie.

PL oreos x grape jubile

KK banana punch x wonder pie

PL to be determined but sage and vicks smell. Another user here hit 27% once with it flower rosin.

new pheno of KK I had it before so Il speculate, cinimon banana bubble gum pheno will probably turn fruity as hell candy like after the cure smooth enough smoker. Should be some banana taste since I dont smell it but it very well this time but it should be there. Its more of a bubble gum cinimon this time with little to no banana.

The rosin is smells the same but taste is more a pocket lint banana floral, the fruit smell doesnt transfer to taste much if at all. I like I said pocket lint sounds gross but some people like that including myself. Its not all that but its unique and yields 15% florwer rosin last time.
 

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medidedicated

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My watermelon ultra by t h seeds originally hermed and seeded but after that run it quit happening via clone. Sterile sacs and nanners. You diggin my vibe lol is it me or is my need for hash only an opportunity to let happy mistakes happen.. Im not tossing these two do to it.

I listened to literally just two people telling me just run it again this happened to them too. If you like it run it but do look for improvements incase its grower error. They gave a cut to someone else and grew hermy real bad.

I know not to expect more than just a one time thing from it via cloning like the auto of the photoperiod world. Unless it was invested in but idk shit about breeding.
 

Wastei

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Thing is that runoff ec checked out in that one plant so hmm. Id think the runoff would still be high. I tried asking before, how does a true runoff test work? How should it be done EXACTLY?

Does feeding substantial runoff dilute the test? Does this traditional method based on making sure the runoff tray is clean? My tray wasnt I was lazy and its not all built up. My runoff ec was relatively low. How much runoff exactly should there be to get a clear idea of whats going on?

I remember people believing runoff testing isnt even valid like testing runoff ph which I see people genuinely do and with reason. Maybe I just read the leafs.
The same amount of runoff at every feed is the best for monitoring and keeping track, I rarely have more than 10% runoff. I collect my runoff in a separate container.

You need a lot of runoff to really dilute a well established coco coir medium that's been fed regularly for weeks. I've had runaways many times where I've dumped more than 3 times the volume of the pots and plants have'nt really reacted negatively to it since the input is still in range at full dilution.

On a newly transplanted Coco coir medium it will leach on heavily to the nutrient in the beginning before it has settled. The runoff may come out lower than input the first couple of days. I try to feed 0.4 EC above max strength for the first couple of days. Last time I fed 1.6 EC for 3-4 days before dialing back to 1.1-1.2 EC.

Running pH 6.5 from start to finish grows healthy plants in Coco coir. I'm a little bit more finicky than that so I often end up running slightly lower pH in veg and slightly higher in flower when the plants start releasing sugars and acids in search for phosphorous that's already present in the medium. The plants don't think and do what they do in nature for survival where phosphorous is not present or easily accessible.

Hope that helps! Cheers!
 

medidedicated

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Lmao Im so ok with herms I didnt see theres a blown sack in this photo I posted earlier. The fan is to the right blowing it right onto the other plant thats knocked up pretty good. Just need to make sure it didnt knock itself up which it could of. I grew this strain once and didnt see the male parts I saw. Also much more sativa leaning.

If it grows clearly into new plant Im calling it “chucky.”
 

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medidedicated

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So whos the dad? lol can you even breed like this? This might turn me into a pollen chucker. Or more but it takes 100’s of plants to breed so I know how it goes somewhat. People be trying to breed with my size garden and sell beans some do it properly.
 

medidedicated

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Does growing a male or female fertile part make any difference to pollenate a female which can be herm? Just wondering if I see this right that if this really happened that I could make a one hit wonder that lasts as long as the cut does. Just for fun if it accidently happens or one day on purpose.
 

medidedicated

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Shit its not leaving water on my hands when I thouch the 3x3 plant pot which lately means its too dry. Whats weird is I didnt realize feeding an hour sooner would be 12x a day which sounds daunting. 1.7ec in 1.9ec out with flush like runoff. So checking runoff is showing things indeed its not forum myth.

I just would be the freakin first I know to feed 12x a day. People would think somethings wrong but damnit quit back seat drivin lol just kiddin I just never get to say that. All plants got a mind of their own but so long as its not dry to the touch outside the pot it may be just that.
 
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