leaves curling up, leaves curling down, yellow tips. and pretty much everything else

instead of bumping my old post over and over again ill just give it a new shot.
first grow
week 4 veg.
5 23 watt 6400k cfls
switched to FFOF soil at week 3 (was a terrible growers mix that was more like mulch and clay
no nutes(i used a week MG feed on one at week 2, big oops)
tap water boiled for chlorine PH off the charts so we'll say 8.5
ph down to 7 soil runoff ends up at 6.3 ish (I used rain water last night and ph'ed to 7 and one plant had run off of 5.7 the rest were steady at 6.3, this is lightly guessed using GH ph test drops)
I water when the only moisture i feel is down as far as my finger can go
The plant that looks the worst is the one that got MG, all were getting 8.5 or higher water until last week. So any help would be great i plan to put them in the final pots next week before flowering.

hmmmmmm......

whatcha thinkin there ganja?

Feed. I would do fish fertilizer (5-1-1) with some cal mag plus. Feed it every other watering and water when the pot is light, not when you feel moisture at however deep. It is not overwatered. Most likely lack of Mag or Cal but....FFOF is great but it is more like a soilless mix with guano. It doesn't have the right balance of nutrients to take a plant much longer than a month. Keep your PH down so the plant can use what you give it.

It's gonna be ok. Just pick a feeding regimine and stick to it. Don't bounce around. The plant may look bad after the first feed, keep feeding at least three times before you decide if it's helping or not.

Oh, and you are gonna need more light in a single source rather than all the little bulbs if you want any kind of nuggage.

Start feeding with next watering then? cfl is about the only option ( I think, ill know when I get my electric bill) I was planning on getting y sockets so each plant would have two on top and then getting 4 more to toss on the outsides.

I'll throw another vote in there, for an early mag deficiency. The PH probably had it locked out, at some point. Time for some Calmag, epsoms, etc.....

Might not be a bad idea to do a mild flush, and then give it a good feeding, adding all the required nutes. Not necessary, but not a bad idea, either.

alright i have cal mag and superthrive in hand. Should i just wait for my next water for the cal-mag? Do i follow the instructions on the bottle or do you guys recommend a particular amt/gallon? I saw superthrive and got it because I have seen quite a few good things written about it. Thought about getting Grow Big and Big Bloom but wasnt in the budget for today but i dont think i need it yet since the plants have only been in ffof for a week and a half

oh and jack just re-read your post about the lights so fewer larger CFL's?

did anyone have an answer for the curling leaves, mine are curling upward along the edges but the growth seems to be fine, they are also yellow very similar to your pics bullie

Things seem to be picking up after 3 waterings with a correct ph (better than 8.5) Got a chance to use some rain water and things really are looking up. Even the one I call "the reaper" is looking better for once. I broke a few branches on my best one. Using scotch tape to hold them up and gave them few drops of a weak superthrive solution at the joint and the root base to hopefully jump start a heal *fingers crossed*. It is a weird break I had previously developed these little swollen bumps at the base of branches and the main stem and they broke of there like ball and socket joints. Other than that things are looking up.

I´ve got the same as you npg, fan leaves are curling inwards and bottom leaves are dying. New growth looks okay but it really doesn´t look as healthy as it should. I´m growing outside in a 50 lt. pot and the plant is at about 4 weeks and been in the pot for 2. I didn´t give it any fertilizer yet because of the nutrients in the soil. I flushed it through 3 days ago and gave it a very light fertilizer watering yesterday, but nothing has changed. Worried and don´t know what next step to take. She´s about 18inches tall

@lilbullie -- why are you not giving them nutes? You're 4 weeks into veg? where's the "N"(nitrogen) coming from> once a week with weak MG? I mean, it CAN work, but not probably what you want. Don't be hyped into pricey,fancy-shmancy products at the local store especially since you are just starting out. You want the K.I.S.S. method. Learn what makes a plant tick (like UB would say). The symptoms you are seeing are probably all deficiencies. the Epsom is for Mg, whereas an all around Cal/Mag product would knock out both. You definitely need a solid N in there. If i were you, i'd go grab a good "grow" nute.. one that is high in "N". Some stuff like Humb Nutes verde is good, or AG Old Grow, but they can be pricey too. Dyna-Gro is good, but fairly inexpensive. You were looking at Grow Big which is fine, its got a 6 in N, but you should aim higher, like 10, or 12. Start 1/4 strength or something.. take it slow. less is more. but go read up on NPK values, and their ratios. You can still use Grow Big, but you can give additional on the dosage and it will become a "12" if that makes sense. I'm probably not explaining it very well, but its documented on this site for sure. DONT FRY YOUR GIRLS> trust me. I've done this. its easy to do when first starting out. just ramp up slowly than full strength all at once.

dont let the soil get too dried out. what size containers are those? looks like 3 or 5gals. You can't go by a set schedule in stone.. only guidelines and learning to read your plant. you can get a water meter for like 10 - 20$ and read soil moisture. Or stick your fingers in 3 - 4" to gauge moisture(which doesnt account for any water pockets). you can do a weight method, where you pick up and feel the pot when its dried. Then water. Pick up again. When the pot has got to about 1/2 the weight.. u wanna water/feed, etc.. again.. that is just a rough guide. Some run off is good in the soil. Some people taught me the water, feed, day (or 2) off, then water, feed.. I've since been doing an insane amount of (Re)reading and retraining myself (after a few yrs doing soil), and I question that method now. Who knows. Every1 situation is different.

do you aerate your water buckets/rez? give you feedings extra oxygen. let it aerate for a few hrs if possible.

@dick - what kind of soil. is it all organic materials. that could take time to break down. may want to supplement. 50L is a big container. again, the plant is in veg, it needs N.. MJ is a nitrophile as some1 else here put it.

Hey buraka I havents been using nutes because I was told to hold off for a month after putting them in FFOF. Those are actually 1 gallons they are about to go into the three gallons today I was going to start with the cal-mag after the transplant today. Transplant will mean new new soil which will be ffof. Should I go ahead with the nutes or wait a week or two. I'm familiar with fertilizers and the NPK ratings and all of that. I've been a landscaper for years the indoor thing is very different and these seem to be sensitive plants.

^That "month" all depends on what size pot you have them in. If they're in a party cup, they need nutes in a couple weeks, and if they're in a 5 gallon pot, they might be okay for more than 2 months. Then, you have to take into consideration, the size of the plant. I see lits of guys feeding their tiny plants, just because they're 4 weeks old, when in reality, age has nothing to do with it. If you go to a 3 gallon pot, you won't have to feed them for another couple weeks. I transplant to 3 gallon pots at about week 4 of veg, veg for another week, then go to 12/12. Then, I still don't feed them til the second week, because I know the fresh soil will sustain them til then. It's a learning process, and takes time to figure out what your plants need, in your particular situation. The 4 week rule, is BS, unless the circumstances are very specific. Focus on learning what your plants need, and things will go alot smoother for ya. Use everybody's advice as a guideline only, then apply it to your grow, according to your own situation/intuition.

yep. pretty much what jawbrodt said. I personally feel that you're ok to use nutes early into the FFOF regimen. Start small and work your way up to a dosage that the plants seem happy with. Are you using any mycorrhizae in the soil for the transplant? I think your issue is a lack of nutes, but that doesnt mean throw everything at them to fix the issue - you might make it worse that way

heat stress i got six bad b!@$#es in the basement and mine are under a 600 hps and doing the same oh thing sucks got to get that light away they for sure love it but all in all too close fries them not a good thing not when they cost money to grow

the singed tips is K deficiency, and i can see why with that 5-1-1 fertilizer.

the weird yellowing on the edges is either zink or magnesium heres pics its your call

magnesium deficiency
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zink deficiency
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