HideousPenguinBoy
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Roger. I'll see about adding that tonight. Hopefully she dried a little.
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HideousPenguinBoy
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Yeah... I mean, eventually I'll enlist with the no till army. I'm just trying to get my feet under me first.
I realize that each strain wants different amounts, though I've never really seen anyone explain it, just dismiss it as "OBVI they will be different so just feel them out". How much difference are we talking on average? As a new grower, I expect to over-react and fuck things up, so then I'll under-react and fuck things up. (;
So these are just different mixed chems to create those NPK amounts? Or are they including other things your plants require, like the trace amounts you want, or other things that help you grow? I ask because I assume you can't just use a whole bottle of kelp (0-0-3) as a K boost...
I have that mind where I can't stop trying to improve on a process. My workshop is filled with Frankensteins. I'm definitely going to fuck around with this forever, whether it be my soil, lighting, or garden automation. SO, having experienced growers giving me a baseline to work from is REALLY helpful, and I very much appreciate you helping me. And the cadre of new growers I'm sharing forum found knowledge with.
Veg: 3-1-2
Early Flower: 2-1-2
Mid Flower: 3-2-2.5
Late Flower: 3-1-3
Is this what you are saying?
Also, if you want me to move this part of the thread into the Nutrients section, I'm happy to oblige.
Dr. Who
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@HideousPenguinBoy,
Yeah... I mean, eventually I'll enlist with the no till army. I'm just trying to get my feet under me first.
I realize that each strain wants different amounts, though I've never really seen anyone explain it, just dismiss it as "OBVI they will be different so just feel them out". How much difference are we talking on average? As a new grower, I expect to over-react and fuck things up, so then I'll under-react and fuck things up. (;
Some strains are fussy...don't like much of anything in extra amounts. Others are are just plain nutrient hogs....Extra N and able to withstand oddly high P amounts ......many landrace sativa's can be fussy! Less is more with those - makes them perfect for water only soils.
So these are just different mixed chems to create those NPK amounts? Or are they including other things your plants require, like the trace amounts you want, or other things that help you grow? I ask because I assume you can't just use a whole bottle of kelp (0-0-3) as a K boost...
No, those values are the NPK values of the product in the bottle...
I have that mind where I can't stop trying to improve on a process. My workshop is filled with Frankensteins. I'm definitely going to fuck around with this forever, whether it be my soil, lighting, or garden automation. SO, having experienced growers giving me a baseline to work from is REALLY helpful, and I very much appreciate you helping me. And the cadre of new growers I'm sharing forum found knowledge with.
At some point...there is no more improvement.....Sometimes those simple things like Jack's classic citrus and K sulfate supplementation is enough.
Yet, if you look at pics of my buds/plants around here. You'll see the very tips of my plants having yellow and maybe a "dead" brown look - no more then a 1/8 of an inch....
That is how I can tell the plant is getting all it can take. It's a "pushing" of the plant to those potentials...Any more will be nutrient "burn" and plants of lower quality and yield...Once you have to chase a problem other then an N problem...The plant is less, for the problem, and can't gain back the loss....You can stabilize it, and finish it. It could end up being quite nice.....But it backed away from that "potential"...
Veg: 3-1-2
Early Flower: 2-1-2
Mid Flower: 3-2-2.5
Late Flower: 3-1-3
Is this what you are saying?
Nope! These are "ratio's", as in Jacks classic is 20-10-20.....To use it right, you have to decrease the amount used to 1/4 tsp per gallon....so you run an NPK of 5-2.5-5 = "That is a 2-1-2 ratio" ..... The amount you feed is an NPK "value" or that 5-2.5-5 is your feeding NPK value....
Understand that?
Also, if you want me to move this part of the thread into the Nutrients section, I'm happy to oblige.
It's fine here....no one will complain....The OPing was answered. We're just progressing the questions and answers along.
Yeah... I mean, eventually I'll enlist with the no till army. I'm just trying to get my feet under me first.
I realize that each strain wants different amounts, though I've never really seen anyone explain it, just dismiss it as "OBVI they will be different so just feel them out". How much difference are we talking on average? As a new grower, I expect to over-react and fuck things up, so then I'll under-react and fuck things up. (;
Some strains are fussy...don't like much of anything in extra amounts. Others are are just plain nutrient hogs....Extra N and able to withstand oddly high P amounts ......many landrace sativa's can be fussy! Less is more with those - makes them perfect for water only soils.
So these are just different mixed chems to create those NPK amounts? Or are they including other things your plants require, like the trace amounts you want, or other things that help you grow? I ask because I assume you can't just use a whole bottle of kelp (0-0-3) as a K boost...
No, those values are the NPK values of the product in the bottle...
I have that mind where I can't stop trying to improve on a process. My workshop is filled with Frankensteins. I'm definitely going to fuck around with this forever, whether it be my soil, lighting, or garden automation. SO, having experienced growers giving me a baseline to work from is REALLY helpful, and I very much appreciate you helping me. And the cadre of new growers I'm sharing forum found knowledge with.
At some point...there is no more improvement.....Sometimes those simple things like Jack's classic citrus and K sulfate supplementation is enough.
Yet, if you look at pics of my buds/plants around here. You'll see the very tips of my plants having yellow and maybe a "dead" brown look - no more then a 1/8 of an inch....
That is how I can tell the plant is getting all it can take. It's a "pushing" of the plant to those potentials...Any more will be nutrient "burn" and plants of lower quality and yield...Once you have to chase a problem other then an N problem...The plant is less, for the problem, and can't gain back the loss....You can stabilize it, and finish it. It could end up being quite nice.....But it backed away from that "potential"...
Veg: 3-1-2
Early Flower: 2-1-2
Mid Flower: 3-2-2.5
Late Flower: 3-1-3
Is this what you are saying?
Nope! These are "ratio's", as in Jacks classic is 20-10-20.....To use it right, you have to decrease the amount used to 1/4 tsp per gallon....so you run an NPK of 5-2.5-5 = "That is a 2-1-2 ratio" ..... The amount you feed is an NPK "value" or that 5-2.5-5 is your feeding NPK value....
Understand that?
Also, if you want me to move this part of the thread into the Nutrients section, I'm happy to oblige.
It's fine here....no one will complain....The OPing was answered. We're just progressing the questions and answers along.
HideousPenguinBoy
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Yup, I get the ratio part. I'm trying to find what base ratios should be used at the different times.
Dr. Who
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I think your being too literate.....I find no real consistent ratio for different "times"in the plants life! It's a strain by strain thing. They all act differently in veg and really different in bloom....Once you can learn to "see" what the plant is telling you.....You'll understand how and what to do for it.....
The use of water only soils. Provides what the plant needs in all stages of growth....I get fussy and make bloom soil's to maximise my results in bloom....I have at this point, 5 different bloom soils. I'm about to "retire" one as it's simply too high in P and low in N to finish a plant the way I like..
I figured that it'll be a done and gone soil, as it will be about the same as another. If I adjust it to work..
The same idea is true with synthetics. You have to adjust NPK to what the strain wants and or tolerates to reach for those plant potentials......Some growers have differing use of nutrients...I'm just doing what the nutrient makers didn't do in charting how much to use! I'm feeding it right!
HideousPenguinBoy
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I mean sure, I understand that different strains want different things.... to a point. But using cannaA and cannaB give you a 3-2-1 ratio, and then you tailor it to your plants. Future harvest uses a 8-9-21 in veg, 4-16-15 in early flower, 4-15-12 in mid to late flower... and then you tailor to your plants. All of these premixed nutrient blends are like "Here is a base, and then you should listen to your plant." Like, I don't want to use a 100-3-957 ratio and then try and guess what my plant is lacking or getting too much of. You already know that ratio is way off.... because there is a basic thing you start with and then tune in. That's the thing I'm looking for.
Dr. Who
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Hmm,,,,This also depends on how often you feed......
As a guy who fed daily when he did synthetics.....3-1-2 or 3-2-3 in veg. Bloom early raise the N to 5 or 6 - the P by 1 or 2 and the K by 3
Mid bloom basically the same as early. At week 5 - N of 5, P of 5 - 6, K of 9
Late bloom (right before and the bulking stage) N of 3, P of 6, K of 12-14 by use of k sulfate. The P got once a week "booster" shots at the start of the week....See harvest a few days away? I stopped feeding because there was enough left in the soil to carry me out...NOT a "flush or fade" thing.....just saves money by not using nutrients...Say 3-5 days...
About what I can figure as what I was doing back then.
HideousPenguinBoy
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I feed when the soil gets dry. Used to be every 3 days. Now it's every 2. This is exactly what I was looking for, though!
Yeah, the final flush thing seemed weird to me, since no till means you literally CAN'T get rid of all your nutrients at the end. And it tastes better on average.
HideousPenguinBoy
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Huh, soil smells weird. It smells like someone vomited smarties. Another plant has this too, and it's run off is down to a pH of 6. I think whatever bacteria this is has infected most of the pots. Ugh.
wilbertski
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Hi....maybe someone with a better knowledge can elaborate on this but I believe if your foliar feeding then it would slow down how quick and how much it takes in around its root zone(it's pot)
Just so you know I'm not saying your wrong to foliar feed just bringing a bit of info to the table to try help figure out stuff.good luck man,hope you get her thru it