Leaves looking wavy?

vtim802

vtim802

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Trying to figure this out so ill give a quick rundown

4 plants are 13 days old

used canna rhizotonic first week

using a very small amount of CANNA BIO VEGE in my soft well water ( water out of the well is 7 ph almost on the dot, ppm is 87)

i have not used any type of ph down in my nute mix, when i add BIO CANNA VEGE it brings my ph down to around 6.6-6.7 currently so i havent bothered changing it, trying to do an organic grow so trying to not bother with ph unless really needed.

plants are in .3 gallon air pots, soil is roughly 33% each of FFOF, FFHF, perlite.
i amended with 1 tablespoon of dolomite lime, and 1 tablespoon of a mineral mix (contains azomite, bio char and some other stuff)

the water i get from the well is stored in gallon jugs and sit arpund for a week or two at my place before i use it ( i get it from a well and bring it home because it has no chlorine or chloramine )

1 75 watt 5000k cree cob cxb3590 hung currently at 30” from canopy of tallest seedling. 30” seems to be the sweet spot currently, letting the plants grow up as needed, i could see signs of light stress any closer to the plants. ( the tiny edges of the leaf would point up within a couple hours at 27,28 and 29”)

Not sure if this is a problem yet, but i check the plants quite a bit during the day, i am 100% not overwatering them, watering them once every 2ish days with the light nute solution ( 200ppm roughly )
So what is going on is the first set of true leaves i have noticed they are “wavy” or kind of knarled? for lack of a better word. have been trying to diagnose it on my own but wanted you guys’ opinion on it, ill post the pictured in the next post down

It seems to me the plant is growing the leaves too fast and they look like they are getting smushed as they grow out.
Not sure if thats whats happening, just my observations, help me out guys, is it a iron/zinc deficiency? i dont think my water has a whole lot, its only 87 ppm out of the faucet
 
vtim802

vtim802

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This is the cree led and the fan blowi on it, the oscillating monkey fan in the conrner only turns on every 30mins and runs 30mins. im worried its twisting the leaves? but i dont think that is causing it realistically.


This is an overview of the tent, temps stay at 69-75 ( perfect temp ) humidity is a little low, thats why i barely put that homemade humidifier in the middle, i have a cool mist humidifier if it becomes a problem, RH stays around 40-45% currently. its 38% in this picture. Is it low humidity? can low humidity twist leaves?


Out of the 4 plants, 2 of then are exhibiting the problem the most, the other two (smallest ones) are slightly exhibiting the issue as well, i have a feeling as soon as they get as big as the other two plants and start growing faster, they will do the same. This is a picture of one of the plants.


You can see the “wrinkle” or whatever it is on the left leaf more than the right, but its noticible in both

Second plant exhibiting symptoms

This one isnt as bad, i note that the wrinkling did not manifest itself until approx 4 hrs ago. 8 hrs ago at lights on the leaf didnt look like this, it was nice and flat. throughout the day, as i literally watched the leaf grow during the hours, i started to notice it was wrinking more. same as the other plant started to do yesterday.

So far i have not given any excess anount of nutes, i have been extremely careful in what i have been doing. i understand this might not neccesarily even be a problem, but i want to learn what is going on in the plant that is causing this, so that i can take the steps into learning how to fix it, and also how to prevent it in the future. thanks in advance, this site has been a great resource in my attempt to move into the world of growing. any ideas? let me know, thanks
 
vtim802

vtim802

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Well so i mixed this up

550 ml well water ( 86 ppm , 7.0,7.1, ph with each pen)
+ approx 10 ppm (32nd of tsp) of epsom salts
total tds 97ppm , current ph 7.4,7.35

+ 1 thin tube drop of GO calmag+
total tds-120 , current ph-7.12
using this


+1 ml CANNA BIO VEGE
total tds 258 , ph- 6.3,6.4

so with this final product i sprayed approx 100ml into one of the two tallest plants, i marked it with a sign.

But i am not sure 100% if these products have zinc, which i also have read will cause strange growth “as if the plants leaves were running into themselves during rapid vegetative growth then stunting growth altogether” so i went to the local nursery store and got a chelated iron supplement.
this stuff


remaining solution of nutrients is now 450ml

+ chelated iron supplement 1ml
total tds-400 , ph 5.2,5.05

so a couple things here, im doing organic grow (i think i dont know if this unqualifies this grow as unorganic now) so i am under the inpression my soil is supposed to buffer, so im going to spray a 100ml into the top and then refeed with the rest tomorrow. my goal is to see if i might be able to isolate IF there is a problem. only two of the four plants will be exposed to the solution so i will have a base with the two other plants to compare whether either of these get a boost in new growth, of new growth that is better color than the limey green currently exhibited in the leaves. i will post on results tomorrow or even later if on my next check i can literally see difference within 6 hours. any advice is appreciated, thanks
 
vtim802

vtim802

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Have not noticed any difference as of yet indicating either issue has resolved itself or gotten worse, any suggestions please let me know.
 
H_Aspect

H_Aspect

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vtim802 said:
Have not noticed any difference as of yet indicating either issue has resolved itself or gotten worse, any suggestions please let me know.
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Took mine two-ish days to show ANY improvement with foliar feeding Epsom salts. And then it was a mixed bag. Two recovered, night and day. Two are clearly better, but only by 50%. The third shows zero improvement whatsoever. They were watered with Cal Mag for the first time last night, so I'm expecting sooth sailing now.
 
vtim802

vtim802

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I dont know, i got some organic ph up and down today, im going to continue to monitor the plants and adjust the water to 6.4-6.5 on next feeding. maybe adjusting to lower end of ph will improve new growth if this is just a ph issue

If this is an actual defiency of micronutrients, i will make a small batch of nutrients containing the chelated iron supplement, calmag, and a small amount of epsom salts. I will feed this to one of the plants and see how they respond while continuing normal feeding for the others. i am still new to this, i am thinking the plants are maybe just getting hungry for more nutrients? any ideas?

what kind of water are you using in your grow?
 
H_Aspect

H_Aspect

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If you're in FFOF you shouldn't be feeding them nutes that early. I didn't have access to it so I'm feeding them 60% FF Salamander Soil (basically coco and perlite) and 40% Black Gold. Not the best of options.

I'm using plain tap water. It's ppm is about 140 and I pH it down to about 6.1. After I switched from distilled water at a 7 pH to city tap water and pH it down to 6.1 the plants took off like rockets and over doubled their size in under a week.

A senior member basically told me this: How to people grow outdoors? With a hose. Where is the hose connected? To the spigot. What comes out of the spigot? Tap water. With chlorine.

I'm now a believer. Tap water seems fine.
 
vtim802

vtim802

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I think part of the reason they are short is due to only 75 watts of 5000k cree led. 5k encourages short squat growth, and 75 watts for the 4 plants isnt much. i am going to setup the quantum board tonorrow and tun both leds to get 3k and 5k spectrum at same time. im hoping the extra light will help also. not sure if this is correct but maybe the plant started to grow fast and then ran out of light energy and thats why the leaves “ran into themselves” lol, maybe im just stoned. ill update tomorrow
 
vtim802

vtim802

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Im using tap water from a well at a different residence than mine, i just go and fill up ten gallons at a time. its clean with no chlorine but at 82-87ppm im thinking thats what is deficient in minerals? ill find out when i give one of these plants and see how it responds. my soil is 40% ocean forest 40% happy frog and 20% perlite. plants are only 13 days old trying to figure out a correct nutrient solution to follow for the future any suggestions bases on what i have currently?
 
vtim802

vtim802

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Fyi dont start plants in peat pots, i definitly stubted/shocked tgen around day 8, good thing i did too and transplanted, the tap root was growing INTO the peat and i tore some of it when removing 2 of 4 of the plants into the air pots
 
vtim802

vtim802

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Maybe i was just underfeeding the whole time with BIOCANNA line, miced a full strength batch and supplemented with chelated iron calmag, epsom salt, cannazyme, half dose of great white and used an organic ph up to get it to 6.2 and gave it to on plant while the others got the normal feeding, which has been less than a 1/4 of what the actual canna feeding schedule reccomends. we’ll see if that plant perks up from it. i tested the runoff it was at 6.9, with a little bit of drippage from my waterer mixed in so realistically the runoff was 7, maybe a couple points lower in the soil so 6.8. would that be the culprit that is showing those nutrients being locked out?
 
C

CannaCountry

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Your leaves aren't cause for alarm. Your reactions to them may be. Relax and let your plants grow. What you're seeing isn't some new phenomena. Your plants will grow through this. Give them some time, be patient and once they begin setting full, mature leaves, if the problem persists you can worry about them. For now, I'd go easy, don't knee jerk your way into more problems and relax. You'll be fine.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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vtim802 said:
Trying to figure this out so ill give a quick rundown

4 plants are 13 days old

used canna rhizotonic first week

using a very small amount of CANNA BIO VEGE in my soft well water ( water out of the well is 7 ph almost on the dot, ppm is 87)

i have not used any type of ph down in my nute mix, when i add BIO CANNA VEGE it brings my ph down to around 6.6-6.7 currently so i havent bothered changing it, trying to do an organic grow so trying to not bother with ph unless really needed.

plants are in .3 gallon air pots, soil is roughly 33% each of FFOF, FFHF, perlite.
i amended with 1 tablespoon of dolomite lime, and 1 tablespoon of a mineral mix (contains azomite, bio char and some other stuff)

the water i get from the well is stored in gallon jugs and sit arpund for a week or two at my place before i use it ( i get it from a well and bring it home because it has no chlorine or chloramine )

1 75 watt 5000k cree cob cxb3590 hung currently at 30” from canopy of tallest seedling. 30” seems to be the sweet spot currently, letting the plants grow up as needed, i could see signs of light stress any closer to the plants. ( the tiny edges of the leaf would point up within a couple hours at 27,28 and 29”)

Not sure if this is a problem yet, but i check the plants quite a bit during the day, i am 100% not overwatering them, watering them once every 2ish days with the light nute solution ( 200ppm roughly )
So what is going on is the first set of true leaves i have noticed they are “wavy” or kind of knarled? for lack of a better word. have been trying to diagnose it on my own but wanted you guys’ opinion on it, ill post the pictured in the next post down

It seems to me the plant is growing the leaves too fast and they look like they are getting smushed as they grow out.
Not sure if thats whats happening, just my observations, help me out guys, is it a iron/zinc deficiency? i dont think my water has a whole lot, its only 87 ppm out of the faucet
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Still too much light but carry on. They'll adapt.
 
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