LED HPS comparison.

LED or HPS

  • LED

    Votes: 86 71.7%
  • HPS

    Votes: 34 28.3%

  • Total voters
    120

cowboylogic

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13W so how much you need in 4x4 with 600W to take advantage of it and how long turned on? I have heard 2hours before dark and also heard its too much that 15mins in enough...?
I run them 4 hours or so during the middle of the lights on period when growing indoors. I have a 24" tube on each end of a Avenger adjust a wing. Sometimes with a 600, sometimes with 1000. Both Hortilux bulbs. I try to replicate nature. Many different opinions on the subject though.
 
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cowboylogic

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Not really, if you're talking watt for watt LED destroys HPS. Supplemental light is, well.. supplemental.
I didnt say anything about watt for watt. My opinion is based on final results. Bud density and weight being the main things.
And as I said in a later post. There are many different opinions. You are certainly entitled to yours.
 
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Rocket Soul

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I didnt say anything about watt for watt. My opinion is based on final results. Bud density and weight being the main things.
And as I said in a later post. There are many different opinions. You are certainly entitled to yours.
Id have to say i disagree: density of a well grown led bud is higher than HPS buds, and final weight per area; our leds outdo our 600w hps. But i agree that hps can grow nice bud, big and chunky and hard, but not as dense as a well grown led bud. One pound of led bud looks half the size of a pound of hps bud due to higher density and less water in the buds.
 

cowboylogic

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Id have to say i disagree: density of a well grown led bud is higher than HPS buds, and final weight per area; our leds outdo our 600w hps. But i agree that hps can grow nice bud, big and chunky and hard, but not as dense as a well grown led bud. One pound of led bud looks half the size of a pound of hps bud due to higher density and less water in the buds.
Everybody has their own experiences I guess. It's all good. When it comes down to it. Each grower will find what works best for them. And what works great in one garden. May not work as well in someone's else's garden.
 

race winslow

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All grown under led, i grew under HPS lights for years. a few years ago i decided to try LED. Never going back to HPS, you can keep the heat and the power consumption

Pic 1 - Fastbuds girl scout cookies auto (dwc)
Pic 2 - Barneys farm blue gelato 41 (soil)
Pic 3 - London city genetics Bluchi (dwc)
Pic 4 - London city genetics Bluchi (dwc)
Pic 5 - Humboldt seed organization emdog (soil)
Pic 6 - Barneys farm gorilla zkittlez (soil)
Good looking bud. What kind of weight are you getting on average? I've experienced just the opposite of you. I used American made LED's for years and was never quite satisfied with the results. Had a chance to get a 600 watt HPS set-up for free (installed a new Hortilux SHPS bulb) and have not looked back. I'm getting frostier buds, more weight and overall better quality. I've grown a couple of photo period plants under it. However, I've been doing a perpetual auto flower grow for the last 6 months. The model allows for two new plants to be harvested about every 2-3 weeks. Auto's are started under a 3100K CmH and are placed under the 600 after the second to third week of flowering. I'm averaging about 3.5 oz's per Auto. That's not bad for mostly 50-50 auto's. I'm not advocating either way, just sharing my experience.
 

race winslow

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I'm not sure what your budget is. However, you should take a look at California Light Works Solar Extreme 500. It is a true 400 watt full spectrum white led with an excellent color rendering index. It's available through their website for about $400. including shipping. I own three of them and they are definitely quality, effective lights for about a $1.00 per watt. They use Osram led's, have an excellent service/return policy and are American made. There are plenty of good lights out there. I have used this one, have had great results from them and they are quite affordable . BTW, I'm not affiliated with them in any way. Good luck.
 

count zero

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However, you should take a look at California Light Works Solar Extreme 500.
Doesn't look that good efficiency wise using napkin math.
Not that I can be sure since I can't find umol/j numbers on their site.
Red flag if that data is missing, maybe i've overlooked it. Also can't see CRI, since u mentioned it's so good. Good cri gives you bad efficacy btw.

At the end of the day, LED is super simple. That's why everybody + their aunts are making fixtures these days.
We have one efficient blue and an efficient red wavelenght. Any other color is shit from LEDs efficiency wise. And you can make white from blue.
 

race winslow

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Doesn't look that good efficiency wise using napkin math.
Not that I can be sure since I can't find umol/j numbers on their site.
Red flag if that data is missing, maybe i've overlooked it. Also can't see CRI, since u mentioned it's so good. Good cri gives you bad efficacy btw.

At the end of the day, LED is super simple. That's why everybody + their aunts are making fixtures these days.
We have one efficient blue and an efficient red wavelenght. Any other color is shit from LEDs efficiency wise. And you can make white from blue.
I think that you may have missed my point. CLW make excellent lights and have been for close to 10 years. They can be had for under $400. They use too shelf LEDs and don't have constant issues with bad diodes due to ineffective heat sinks and etc.
This person was looking for a quality light at a good price, with excellent customer service and warranty. I've been using their lights and hps for numerous years. I have no problem recommending them.
Thanks for checking in though.
 

count zero

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I think that you may have missed my point. CLW make excellent lights and have been for close to 10 years.
I suspect unit is using pre 2017 diodes. Efficiency wise it's likely not state of the art.
LEDs don't age gracefully when compared with newer models, visible in their low resale value, I advise against it.
Newer model from same maker should give better TCO.
But yeah, that efficiency gain would be hard to measure IRL.
 
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.Smoke

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LEDs don't age gracefully when compared with newer models, visible in their low resale value
That's why in 2 years there will be threads here on RIU with people saying this...
is "junk" technology and a crappy LED. Calling people out for using "crap lights", while I smile and keep changing bulbs :)
 

Horselover fat

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That's why in 2 years there will be threads here on RIU with people saying this...
is "junk" technology and a crappy LED. Calling people out for using "crap lights", while I smile and keep changing bulbs :)
Led efficiency will not go up at the same pace anymore. Blue and red leds are getting very close to theoretical limits. Their prices will come down dramatically though. We now have 160 lm/w led bulbs. In a couple of years regular 1€ 10w led bulbs will be as efficient as best grow lights available now.
 

HydroKid239

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Hi everybody, I wanted to ask if somebody more experienced than me know this kind of staff.
Right now I have a 400w HPS light for 3*3feet grow tent. I was wondering how much LED I need to get same or similar results. I was looking at HollandStar light which is advertised as 1800w and I think it have 310w input. Regardless of that what's your ideas about growing under powerful LED lights or its mostly a legend of super growers.
Sorry for my grammar I am not a native speaker.
If you want 50w per sf it's 450 watts u need. You want at least 32-34w per sf tho.
 

HydroKid239

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on paper these look very good 142.5 ppfdropping to 98.5 at 2ft from center.per bulb. 6 bulb unit. nice SPD . very uniform light distribution. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QWV1THV/?coliid=I5Q4D0N744COE&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it&th=1 855 ppfd for 6 bulb. 2 year unlimited warranty. $99.99 price tag. so what is wrong with them?
in actuality they are only good for cloning. I have them. I didn't pay $100 tho. I opted for without reflectors. Same old blurple lights. and they sure as shit ain't 252w lol
 
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