LED light that covers a core 5x5 ? ........anyone know of models to look at

justugh said:

this is all moot if u own a gorrilla tent

yes 300 lbs is for real ..............240 lbs 6 foot can grab and hang
secret jardin.............they list as 150 lbs

again area51 and AT............no way in hell i am spending that amount of money for 1 light ............they are selling it for 2/3 profit

i found a nice one on the sites they want 1600 for it from the maker they want 500

so the choice is now off the DIY guy or off the markers and skip those 2nd personsellers that mark it up


if u got a linkto the makers i can contact directly i will try it ........................but area51 and AT are rip offs (unless they using gold soder they are chargeing u a shit load of money for no reason)

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yeah you have no problems with that tent. I have tried alot of lights. i recommend making sure the light has USA LEDs and secondary lenses. you can go to cree, osram and other companies and get photos of the leds they make. I looked at all my lights only two of the lights have real usa leds. I have lights from six different companies. funny this makes me think how awesome i thought some of these lights where until i tried the next generation.

Bad Karma said:

Okay, let's rewind a bit. You posted this thread to help you choose the best LED because you were uninformed on the subject. We, the users of LED's, answered your questions politely, and gave you good advice about AT, and A51. You then proceeded to tell us that we're stupid for paying AT and A51 "high prices", and that you found something else on your own, anyways. So even though you've never used an LED, and you were asking for our help, you still know more than us? Can you see how foolish that makes you look and sound?

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i was civil and nice to the point i was not

but AT and area51 does not make any logical sense to be for the sheer fact that they cost that price but the run time is the same amount

if u got a link to a maker to see what they sell it at (not retail marked up ) then it might justify the exp on them
it is the tommy hillfinger thing all over again something is hot so the price gets jacked up .................i was looking for info to base the choice off but the fact the cost is that high

DIY or contacting the markers are the only choices........................u guys did get me moving in right direction i do thank u for that but my mind works differently then yours i need to justify the cost vs what i lose............. only so much money and time so the choice are effected

^^^But an A51 will almost assuredly outgrow your panel choice, all the while using less electricity and generating less heat. Dude, if you think the China based panels are using the same grade of diode as A51/ApacheTech you really shouldn't even buy a LED panel yet. Seriously and I'm not trying to piss on your parade. They're not light bulbs. They don't work like light bulbs. They don't create light like light bulbs and they aren't all the same. But having said all that a good grower with an excellent environment can get quite a lot from a budget panel. Have you looked at VIPAR? At least they come out of a decent factory it seems.

And if price is the problem, (as it is with me), go DIY. It's so simple nowadays, it's almost a no brainer.

And for the record, A51 and probably Onyx, give you the best price to performance ratio than any other panel manufacturers. Go try to build one using their parts, which they proudly tell you on their websites, (as opposed to other companies). You'll see how much that will cost you. Now add their labor costs, shipping and a little thing called expertise. Try it, you'll see. Their markup isn't as much as you think, and that's even with the discount they get for buying LEDs by the hundreds. Plus the A51 is made to grow weed, not lettuce. You think these Chinese companies have actually tried to grow weed with their offerings? Not likely bro. Go see what China does to peeps who smoke and sell weed. Plus you get a real USA warranty too. Shit justugh, A51 is giving you a lifetime guarantee!

This is all new technology, so if you want to play, you gotta pay something here. No shortcuts and no discounts. Sorry if that's too harsh for ya but it's just like the computer business in the 80s. Anyone for a 5000.00 dollar 20 meg hard drive?

Best of Luck and Be Safe!

stonedest said:

Curious about your comment here... what height are you running them at? I try to keep mine around 18", and have trouble covering my 5x5 with two DS XML 350s. In fact, I just picked up two 150s to help fill in areas that weren't getting enough light.

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Nice grow stonedest! I run my lights at 22" if you run these to close you get what looks like a slight nute burn. I run mine in an aero system and only give them one week of flower. i can run 60 in a sog in my 4x6 they get about two feet each and yield depending on the strain. I am real new to the forums. I am shooting a time lapse now and will have my grow up this next week.

i got to argue on the light thing

it is all the same the nano waves just in different forms and amounts ...................

the only trouble is each pattern of lights (what nano waves they use) they get patented so no one but them can ever make it like that in that set up and sell it so they can asked for what ever u want

the DIY is looking too be the best period .................this would allow u to set up everything anyway way u want includling coping the lights that do the best

by the way their are 2 (ones i know of so far) LED lights just marketed for weed
http://www.amazon.com/Grow-Urban-System-Programmable-Customizable/dp/B00CPSRJAO

http://pot-light.com/ .................sawl these ppl at 4/20 in denver site has been down since then but if u want info u can contact them

FranJan said:

Dude, if you think the China based panels are using the same grade of diode as A51/ApacheTech you really shouldn't even buy a LED panel yet. Seriously and I'm not trying to piss on your parade. They're not light bulbs. They don't work like light bulbs. They don't create light like light bulbs and they aren't all the same.

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justugh said:

it is all the same the nano waves just in different forms and amounts ...................

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FranJan is 100% right about this.

FranJan said:

Plus the A51 is made to grow weed, not lettuce

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justugh said:

by the way their are 2 (ones i know of so far) LED lights just marketed for weed
http://www.amazon.com/Grow-Urban-System-Programmable-Customizable/dp/B00CPSRJAO

http://pot-light.com/ .................sawl these ppl at 4/20 in denver site has been down since then but if u want info u can contact them

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"Designed for" and "Marketed for" are two completely different things. If those are the panels you want, go get'em, but after you do, don't litter the forum with your complaints about how LED's don't work. Remember, we tried to warn you, but you knew better.

TS

justugh said:

i got to argue on the light thing

it is all the same the nano waves just in different forms and amounts ...................

the only trouble is each pattern of lights (what nano waves they use) they get patented so no one but them can ever make it like that in that set up and sell it so they can asked for what ever u want

the DIY is looking too be the best period .................this would allow u to set up everything anyway way u want includling coping the lights that do the best

by the way their are 2 (ones i know of so far) LED lights just marketed for weed
http://www.amazon.com/Grow-Urban-System-Programmable-Customizable/dp/B00CPSRJAO

http://pot-light.com/ .................sawl these ppl at 4/20 in denver site has been down since then but if u want info u can contact them

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I know this is your thread but I wish you would stop posting marketing slogans as truth,you can't patent light,you can patent what makes the light (LED). The vast majority of these companies just buy other companies parts and assemble them. These companies hide behind this type of hype so they have a excuse not to tell you what crap parts they use to build them. It's not a big secret what spectrum will grow,it's just down to fine tuning nowadays. The LED tech has just come of age and can now compete with or surpass HPS and at the pace LED's are improving,they will leave HPS behind before to long. You need to do a lot more research about lighting and plant needs and maybe listen to some of the more experienced people here before you post this stuff. Some beginner might read your thread and believe this nonsense.

captainmorgan said:

I know this is your thread but I wish you would stop posting marketing slogans as truth,you can't patent light,you can patent what makes the light (LED). The vast majority of these companies just buy other companies parts and assemble them. These companies hide behind this type of hype so they have a excuse not to tell you what crap parts they use to build them. It's not a big secret what spectrum will grow,it's just down to fine tuning nowadays. The LED tech has just come of age and can now compete with or surpass HPS and at the pace LED's are improving,they will leave HPS behind before to long. You need to do a lot more research about lighting and plant needs and maybe listen to some of the more experienced people here before you post this stuff. Some beginner might read your thread and believe this nonsense.

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i am not post anything marketing

i use amazon since they are well national so no id there .................and the other was the site on the card i got ..........i was one of the few ppl at the 4/20 denver to learn and grab things not just be so stoned they can only move 2 inches a min ................if some of the ppl would have stopped smoking they would have seen them jacking up the price of water from 2 to 5 then to 10 bucks ......and that was saturday not even 4/20

anything i post here is just for info or to link something i like (so i do not need to spell or attempt too) ............u know infact do not even worry about think what u want

and nonsence ..........bite me ...attempting to learn is never nonsence..........where am i wrong (i think differently then u so things that are big and important to u mean nothing to me) ...............if i had listen to ppl telling me oh no u are wrong i would have never pulled the shit i have pulled out of my plants .,..........i still be on my 5th set of plant instead of my 24th done soil done hydro and all the lights except plasma..............14 different strains

so unless u got something to help ppl learn back the fuck off my balls .................i will put my shit up and skills vs anyone at this point (my buds compared to denver's in size /thickness/power is stronger..............i took 3 ppl down to just compare for me no shit ........the few grams i got back with i gave to others mine wins ) ...............

and hell not one of u talked about HI LED
http://www.supergrowled.com/products/#sk450

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The irony here is that if there was ever a company making stoopid profits on panels it's this one. I'd be shocked if they paid more than $200.00-225.00 apiece for the SK 450. Seriously JU they used to sell LED spotlights that you basically could buy on EBay/Alibaba for a tenth of the price.

On paper it's an interesting panel but to me that design and it's woefully small heat-sink for the job, is the killer. That panel has 150 diodes, including whites which will have to do a phosphor conversion, and that means heat. See how the diodes are grouped close together, that means heat. See those lenses? Light gets refracted in there and that means heat, (it would be better if they used LEDs that had a 90 degree beam angle and then they wouldn't need the lenses at all which are stealing some of the output in this situation). See that big ass driver running at 2.1 amps on top of the heatsink, that means heat, even more heat if it's running at 80 to 85 percent efficiency. And if my calculations/guesstimates are correct those diodes are running around 680mA and that's pretty hard for a 3 watt LED, though something tells me they're not running them that hard and there could be some overhead, and that's more heat. Why the big deal with the heat? Because of something called a junction temperature, (the junction being the area where the LED meet it's mounting area), that LEDs need, absolutely need, to be maintained in order to get the output, both radiometric and spectral output, that you paid for and the plant desires. Jt also effects the LEDs lifetime and if not maintained will burn out some of the LEDs and with that design, which is probably 4 circuits each running in serial, which means one burnt LED will knock out whole sections of lights. It's not a good design IMO and you'll almost certainly have problems with it. My .02.

I could go on all day about that light, like there's no way it's going to flower dense dank nugs in the 450s recommended flowering area. Maybe an area a little smaller than 3'x4' but now way can you have a plant above 2 1/2 feet tall, but it's still hard to tell with "1000umols@12" " as the only PAR/PPFD "reading". But if you can find people actually growing with these and you like what you see then buy it justugh. Otherwise, IMHO, there are a hell of a lot better ways to spend 900 bucks in the LED world.

And JU trust Bad Kharma's opinion. He's been blowing people away with his LEDs grows from almost day one and knows what he's talking about. He just gets cranky saying the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and.............

FranJan said:

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Why the big deal with the heat? Because of something called a junction temperature, (the junction being the area where the LED meet it's mounting area), ............

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junktions anywhere...
here is the real junktion...if we talk leds and temps.
direct in the chip!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P–n_junction
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/diode/diode_2.html

Justugh asking the questions that us LED virgins are wondering, good stuff.

Good questions, good answer.

I guess the bottom line is, there are those among us who are waiting till we feel comfortable enough with what we know, to have the confidence to then buy a reasonably priced LED that does the job, it is supposed to do.

Forgot about this. Didn't work out as well for the grower as he hoped. Personally I think it's just not enough panel to cover that area/plant height and SS's lack of proper cooling.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/5x5-closet-grow-using-solarstorm-880.823507/

At and area51 and straight up robbing people. 800 watts for 2k is just absurd. You can get a better spectrum same wattage for half that price.

and has anyone actual tested the xgs 190 output does it really put out 190 i doubt it...

purplegrower02 said:

At and area51 and straight up robbing people. 800 watts for 2k is just absurd. You can get a better spectrum same wattage for half that price.

and has anyone actual tested the xgs 190 output does it really put out 190 i doubt it...

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So by your broad assumptions their must be allot of stupid people in here then.......Thanks for the tip

Oh do tell what viable pre -built alternatives can be had at half price o great one?

When price is thought of in terms of yield...

The BML SPYDR 600 which has a 3 x 3 footprint and covers 4 x 4 uniformly is $999

I just yielded ~ 250 DRY grams of Med-Man Silver Skunk Bx1, where one of the plants was small pheno and yielded 53gms. Word back is the product is worth $100/7

So 70gms sold and the price of the light is covered

You can use the same for AT/A 51

Not only will they pay for themselves in the first grow, BUT,...

they will provide the same quality for years to come

In that light, they are extremely high yielding investments

PetFlora said:

When price is thought of in terms of yield...

The BML SPYDR 600 which has a 3 x 3 footprint and covers 4 x 4 uniformly is $999

I just yielded ~ 250 DRY grams of Med-Man Silver Skunk Bx1, whe of the plants was small pheno and yielded 53gms. Word back is the product is worth $100/7

So 70gms sold and the price of the light is covered

You can use the same for AT/A 51

Not only will they pay for themselves in the first grow, BUT,...

they will provide the same quality for years to come

In that light, they are extremely high yielding investments

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I dont know where you are from but 250 grams doesnt cover the cost of a $1000 light, seeds/clones, medium, and power where im from. Would be like growin for nothin, the 2nd n 3rd grow would work out but not the 1st.

Did i say people are stupid? I don't recall so. Charging 85k for a escalade is a rip off to but people still buy them, AT rips people off because THEY CAN.

people are more lazy then stupid when it comes to leds.

you can get a 1000watt ACTUAL OUPUT for $1500 with a better spectrum.

I'm pulling over a gram per watt actually 1.3g average with my setup so maybe I'm the stupid one oh great one?

Pics or it never happened. Setup, plants, yield.