Led Users Unite!

BudBaby said:

Im hoping to have it finished this week

It is alot of money but my lights were £1200 and my cabinets £800 so theres half the money gone. Ive bought all my nuites for 2 grows aswell so it will soon pay for itself.

If you have only just ordered you will get the new CREE XP-E Red led bulbs which are meant to be the business.

Take a look here http://www.ledgrow.eu/ I tend to trust this as he isnt selling lights and on his 8th attempt now using CREE XP-E he has got over 1.5g per watt. Nearly 100g off of 60 watts lol. Richards lights should be better than these aswell as he says this guy doest use a certain spectrum which would give him more yeild.

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Yeah just ordered it tonight (so I get the new red cree's), cheers for that link, v.promising stuff
What nutes did you go for?

fssalaska said:

**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
**** 5. I do pay for my power ! with the blackstar I need 3 of the 240 watt lights to cover what one switchable 400 watt MH/HPS covers so lets see hmm 240x3= 720 watt to try and do what 1 400 watt MH/HPS dose.. lol you hardcore led talkers growing 2 or 3 plants in your mama's shoe closet get real.
**** 6. What brand do you sell

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I don't own any LED lights or HPS lights...hell I don't grow at all...I do smoke bud tho and I did read most of this thread...Blackstars do not run at 240 watts...think they said 130 or 140 watts

fssalaska said:

**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
**** 5. I do pay for my power ! with the blackstar I need 3 of the 240 watt lights to cover what one switchable 400 watt MH/HPS covers so lets see hmm 240x3= 720 watt to try and do what 1 400 watt MH/HPS dose.. lol you hardcore led talkers growing 2 or 3 plants in your mama's shoe closet get real.
**** 6. What brand do you sell

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also not sure why you linked anyone to that grow log or w/e it is...you gave up after two weeks and everyone laughed at you...wtf are you drunk...?

fssalaska said:

**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
**** 5. I do pay for my power ! with the blackstar I need 3 of the 240 watt lights to cover what one switchable 400 watt MH/HPS covers so lets see hmm 240x3= 720 watt to try and do what 1 400 watt MH/HPS dose.. lol you hardcore led talkers growing 2 or 3 plants in your mama's shoe closet get real.
**** 6. What brand do you sell

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dont take this the wrong way but i believe you are leaving a few things out:
1. a 240 watt blackstar does not actually use 240 watts (although i realize 3 of them would still be more than one 400 hid)
2. i believe one of the biggest savings of an led system is less need for cooling in summer
3.lets not forget about the heat signature off of the hid lights either
4. there is also the life of an led fixture vs. a $70+bulb a couple of times a year
now if you are like me in a cooler climate the extra heat of an hid in the winter is no big thing hell even beneficial as it keeps my room
around 70 degrees except on the coolest of days however there are more efficient ways of heating my space
im not trying to get into a pissing match here just trying to be fair
i have used hid's for years and have not actually jumped into the led thing yet
but soon........very soon

no disrespect intended and if i am wrong please feel free 2 correct me
peace
joe

Griffta said:

Yeah just ordered it tonight (so I get the new red cree's), cheers for that link, v.promising stuff
What nutes did you go for?

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I have gone with canna mate.

fssalaska said:

**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
**** 5. I do pay for my power ! with the blackstar I need 3 of the 240 watt lights to cover what one switchable 400 watt MH/HPS covers so lets see hmm 240x3= 720 watt to try and do what 1 400 watt MH/HPS dose.. lol you hardcore led talkers growing 2 or 3 plants in your mama's shoe closet get real.
**** 6. What brand do you sell

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HAHA! cool man!! Big 400 w MH/HPS guy over here!! Good to know you have it ALL figured out. That's allot of LED units you've tested. In every industry it takes money to save money, but then again I don't know what state you live in but in my state there is ample supportive medical evidence that LED grows better, denser product with a higher yield per watt. And haha I haven't grown in my mom's shoe closet since I watched her grow. If I were you and I hated LED, I would stop wasting my time commenting on a thread dedicated to LED, but then again doesn't seen like you care much about waste??

660nm420 said:

HAHA! cool man!! Big 400 w MH/HPS guy over here!! Good to know you have it ALL figured out. That's allot of LED units you've tested. In every industry it takes money to save money, but then again I don't know what state you live in but in my state there is ample supportive medical evidence that LED grows better, denser product with a higher yield per watt. And haha I haven't grown in my mom's shoe closet since I watched her grow. If I were you and I hated LED, I would stop wasting my time commenting on a thread dedicated to LED, but then again doesn't seen like you care much about waste??

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And I'm not in the business of selling LED and if you actually read some of this thread you would know the blackstar 240's don't use 240w. Try again! Look back on the thread and do the math again and the last time I worked with a 400w MH/HPS, it sucked!! You have to at least be rocking a 600w to go beyond your mama's shoe closet, and I'm not all that familiar with the Blackstar. Had my first real life look at one the other night. From everything I've seen 2 240's will go above and beyond your big bad 400 w switchable MH/HPS. Even when using those old antique systems you want to use a bulb that is heavier in the blue when vegging and switch it to a red dominant during flowering. That was grow tech even before LED was being pushed. I know HPS users that use LEDs to enhance their grow without switching out their bulbs. They report adding LED and instantly growing fatter tighter buds so believe what you want to but enough growers have switched that your LED hating is losing traction. Evolve or go instinct!

"You have to at least be rocking a 600w to go beyond your mama's shoe closet"

hahahahahahah hes never heard of a light mover

I shot an elephant in my pajamas. (Open for interpretation)

Everything is open to interpretation or ones own perception. That is why we have the scientific method. Because the scientific method is real whether you believe or not. I could have the best LED light and not be able to grow a thing because i'm a quarter brained numb nut who can't grow and work out the difference in enviroment and make changes accordingly. It comes down to doing it yourself. Do some reaserch ask some questions; Hopefuly you get a educated answer. For two years or more there has been shit led grow lights. But there are also good ones. But guess what? You don't have enough money and you go with a cheap light and get cheap results. Then forever all leds are junk just because I screwed up. Sound fimilar? This is what you call a LUG. It's directed at everyone and if it doesn't hit you then your fine. This thread is for education not bitchin. So on with the class Professor.

nice said shaggy too bad there aint professors herelol

budlover909 said:

"You have to at least be rocking a 600w to go beyond your mama's shoe closet"

hahahahahahah hes never heard of a light mover

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Then I get to pick the LED system and I want to see you do a documented comparison WITH documentation that there's a number of control factors being followed. I have already seen the difference so I don't need to prove anything to you. If you are so sure than take the challenge. I know what a light mover is. This is not a thread to compare HPS to LED it is for LED users to compare LED units to other LED units. Many people on this thread have needs beyond a 400w HPS on a light mover. ONE quality LED panel at around 130-140w on a light mover with a few 26w cfl tubes WILL do exactly the same as a 400 HPS on a light mover but under 200w. 2 quality panels at the 120-140w range on light movers will TOTALLY blow away a 400w HPS any day. If not let me pick any LED unit for you to purchase to test it and document it. If you keep the control factors the same I assure you, that you will do the same if not better in half the watts. If you are not up to the challenge well this is an LED thread and I don't believe that it is for people who are stuck on comparing HPS to LED. It's for LED users to compare LED units to other LED units. So don't hijack the thread man.

fssalaska said:

**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
**** 5. I do pay for my power ! with the blackstar I need 3 of the 240 watt lights to cover what one switchable 400 watt MH/HPS covers so lets see hmm 240x3= 720 watt to try and do what 1 400 watt MH/HPS dose.. lol you hardcore led talkers growing 2 or 3 plants in your mama's shoe closet get real.
**** 6. What brand do you sell

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So then you can afford to go out and purchase ANY LED unit that I pick for you to do a controlled scientific grow with? If not suck it up and save some cash and comeback here talking smack when you can put your money where your mouth is. I pick the LEDs at lower than 300w and a list of the control factors that you have to follow, you document it and show me the evidence that a 200-300w unit I pick underperforms your 400w. I've done the comparison grows and am over it. Hands down 300 quality LED watts will blow away a 400w HPS any day.

budlover909 said:

"You have to at least be rocking a 600w to go beyond your mama's shoe closet"

hahahahahahah hes never heard of a light mover

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Ad hominem attacks weaken your argument. Use fact and evidence to prove your point. A light mover and a 400w HPS will increase coverage but it will never cover my needs or many other's needs on here. Talking about how you use LED with HPS is one thing but this thread is to compare LED units not to constantly rehash this HPS/ LED argument.

660nm420 said:

Then I get to pick the LED system and I want to see you do a documented comparison WITH documentation that there's a number of control factors being followed. I have already seen the difference so I don't need to prove anything to you. If you are so sure than take the challenge. I know what a light mover is. This is not a thread to compare HPS to LED it is for LED users to compare LED units to other LED units. Many people on this thread have needs beyond a 400w HPS on a light mover. ONE quality LED panel at around 130-140w on a light mover with a few 26w cfl tubes WILL do exactly the same as a 400 HPS on a light mover but under 200w. 2 quality panels at the 120-140w range on light movers will TOTALLY blow away a 400w HPS any day. If not let me pick any LED unit for you to purchase to test it and document it. If you keep the control factors the same I assure you, that you will do the same if not better in half the watts. If you are not up to the challenge well this is an LED thread and I don't believe that it is for people who are stuck on comparing HPS to LED. It's for LED users to compare LED units to other LED units. So don't hijack the thread man.

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i didnt hijack shit bro and if youd read my posts you see i do solid led im just pointing out your blind statement that fails to take into account any factors bro like you trying to say to me your statement as i quoted it is nonsense bro dont be mad you got called otu right because you left your wrods so shortsighted

btw you wanna talk about ad hominem you talking about people graduating out of mommas shoe closet might want to check your own words with a half strawman you tryin to form

Lets not forget that Flowering model grow lights are just that. Flowering model. They are geared towards reds more than most LED lights. That is why certain companies that do that offer Veg model lights. A proper comparison of performance would be using that same light for Veg and bring one to an LED and One to an HPS after that. Also one could Veg with a veg model LED and then flower with a flowering model LED. The drastic spectrum difference will have a huge impact on plant growth.

hello family got a question for yall, im thinking about getting a LED to veg 4-6 mom's. my question is, are the LED worth the money? For example, after using it for 20,000 hours and the bulbs start to go out, can u buy replacment bulbs? i'mlooking for max light for a tight space.

led bulbs gonna last you way longer than 20000 hours bro some comps claiming 100000 before they're too low to be useful for anything but veg

budlover909 said:

btw you wanna talk about ad hominem you talking about people graduating out of mommas shoe closet might want to check your own words with a half strawman you tryin to form

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I wasn't the one who brought mommas shoe closet into this, and I don't care I'm outa here now that another AWESOME LED thread has been hijacked again by HPS users. I'm tired of the same old argument over and over again. gram per watt and the LED takes it everyday!! PEace thanks to all the LED users unite mainstays up on here for all the informative reviews.

The life span of an LED is vastly longer than that of incandescent, fluorescent or HID light sources. LED are generally rated to last 50,000 hours or 100,000 hours. Although an LED never completely burns out the brightness of the light output by an LED diminishes over time. This diminution is known as "lumen depreciation" and the useable life span of an LED (in hours of operation) is measured by its lumen depreciation.
The industry norm for calculating the life span of an LED is the point at which the LED reaches 30 percent lumen depreciation.
A 100,000-hour rating is not equivalent to a lamp life rating. LED life is rated to a point where it has reached 30 percent lumen depreciation. At over 100,000 hours an LED would still be operating, but at a decreased lumen output.
The life span in years for an LED lamp will depend on how many hours the lamp is in operation each day.

Hours per day 50,000 hours is equivalent to 100,000 hours is equivalent to
24 hours a day 5.7 years l 11.4 years
18 hours a day 7.4 years l 14.8 years
12 hours a day 11.4 years l 22.8 years
8 hours a day 17.1 years l 34.2 years