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virulient

Active Member
I have a diamond panel and one of advanced's 3w extreme flowers and I love them. So naturally I'd recommend them. I have a link to a grow with a 800w diamond and it's very nice. I am also interested in the black dog leds, and I'd like to see how the platinum xl, 700, and 1300 models fair as potential 1,000w hps replacements.

And to address your question about newer led technology coming out within the next few months, I don't expect so. Several companies just released new leds in the last couple months and I know some more are planning on catching up. I doubt there will be another something newer for at least another year or so.

Hope that helps some.
Didn't the Diamond series come out early 2011? With their flowering model coming out in early 2010? If the trend continues I'd expect a new model, whether it be better or worse, something new early 2012. GLH follows a similar pattern, I've noticed. The Black Dog lights are nice, though.
 

puffenuff

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Didn't the Diamond series come out early 2011? With their flowering model coming out in early 2010? If the trend continues I'd expect a new model, whether it be better or worse, something new early 2012. GLH follows a similar pattern, I've noticed. The Black Dog lights are nice, though.
Advancedled's Diamond series just came out in August (although I know a grower on another forum got a couple early to test) and they don't have one for veg and one for flowering; the diamonds has two spectrum control switches that you can do blue, red, or full spectrum. Their 3w extreme flower models came out in 2010 I believe and those come in veg models or full spectrum models. GLH seems like they have gone through at least two or three redesigns of their 2011 model although I don't really keep up with them like I do advanced.

The other lights I know that recently upgraded summer/fall 2011 were GLH, Kessil, Magnum, HGL, and I'm pretty sure I read the Supernova's were going to upgrade soon too.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Advancedled's Diamond series just came out in August (although I know a grower on another forum got a couple early to test) and they don't have one for veg and one for flowering; the diamonds has two spectrum control switches that you can do blue, red, or full spectrum. Their 3w extreme flower models came out in 2010 I believe and those come in veg models or full spectrum models. GLH seems like they have gone through at least two or three redesigns of their 2011 model although I don't really keep up with them like I do advanced.

The other lights I know that recently upgraded summer/fall 2011 were GLH, Kessil, Magnum, HGL, and I'm pretty sure I read the Supernova's were going to upgrade soon too.

I also noticed that Hydroponic hut's Pro grows have also just been updated.......Higher actual power draws and "14 band spectral output (v2)"
Yeah I'm still researching my Led panel to buy.........going crazy :p
 

anotherdaymusic

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hell yeah, i got a diamond series coming in the mail... cant wait to use er for flowering... im super excited, I will repost in my journal when I put it in my box, so in about 3 months i will have some nuggets to see for ya'll to bash :)
 

virulient

Active Member
I don't personally, but I will be soon. I have set up a few friends with personal size grows, 3 of them have picked up the Diamond Series so far, and it has been really impressive in that environment. 2 of them use the SCRoG method, and I believe it's the best method to go with using these panels. Though that is an extremely opinionated statement and is not factual. Just what I prefer, because I've seen it work so well. All 3 of them love their panels to death, though, and their bud quality is superb.
 

PrezDickie

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My Small Grow Cabinet, main light is blackstar 180 High Output. i bought it a while back, i know this thread has been mainly dominated by the larger and much more expensive models but i just wanted to throw up these pics to provide additional info to anyone out there considering the less expensive stuff or just supplemental lights.

I'm blown away by how much light and My little all red Bloom Boost Led puts out i got it just to give an extra kick to flower but i was testing my set up the other day and was surprised by how much it changed the whole spectrum while my main light was running and how much coverage it has for just a cheap supplemental. you can see in the pic with the main light off how much it puts out and you can see the difference in the spectrum with the boost on in one pic on off in the other.

Keep the Grows going guys. and keep putting that LED info out there in the world. Big or small any grow is good and the less energy we use to create more green the better for all.
 

widdopa

Active Member
write the book geezer, best thread i ever read..fantastic post...

"I aint hating and I didn't say you couldn't grow with them, but basically the only tangible advantage to LED's is lower heat...that's the simple fact"
You just completely contradicted yourself. You aren't saying they wont grow, but the fact is they are only good for low heat?


Oh, and yes, a 240W LED does in FACT show on a LUX meter the same and more lumens than a 150,000 Lumen 1,000W Digilux because it uses the LED's in the BIG BOYS. It DOES NOT have the "Coverage". You have never tested output with an LED unit have you?
Again, you will need 660 Watts of LED (and that's draw with 18 fans) you will in fact yield 6% less than a 1,000 Watt 150,000 Lumen HPS. These are 2011 model panels that now incorporate UVB which MH & HPS do not. Both a new veg and the bloom only panels have UVB. There are MANY hours you would need to research before posting.


Oh, (I just keep on forgetting stuff). I was talking about 1,000W and you own a 600W and how much you draw from the wall "is not much" because of the low heat in your area. Okay, your Bulb is 600W. Your Ballast pulls more than both of your fans in conjunction & then add in your fans and you are pulling more wattage than the 660W draw that was tested against the 1,000 HPS with the 6% size reduction but around 20% more crystal production.


Do a side by side with just 330W of LED (1X 500W considered panel in LED speak) against your 600W HPS (or should I say a draw of 700W+?) and lets say you will obviously not even have the LED advertising to beat your HPS. So, comparing 500W to 600W would reduce your size 21%, but you would (again) have 20+% more Trichomes (the medicine in the plant). So, do that side by side, and then take 1/4 Ounce and grind it upside down so it doesn't fall through the holes. Only twist it 2 to 3 turn to each direction and leave upside down in the freezer for 14 minutes. Take it out and grind it the rest of the way while upside down and then turn it on its bottom to knock the leaves & trichs down to the grate at the bottom. Hit it on the floor about 120 times (allowing gravity to drop only the trich's in the bottom of the grinder.
Now, take 2 of the same size medicine bottle and weigh them and 0 out your scaled. Take a funnel and drop the trichs down in there from your HPS 600W, and then your 500W LED (330W Draw), and the weight of actual GOODS in the bud should come out to exactly 6% less actual intensity than what you are running to draw 700+ from the wall.
In other words, you would only have 6% less med's out of 330W, but with the new model you may get more than the average 20% increase in Trichs and may beat out your HPS altogether. I've seen people test Advanced Nutrients and dog it because they didn't notice much size difference between another fertilization method they've been using for a year. Well, no one seems to understand that it is the TRICHOMES that medicate, and not the SIZE of the flower. If he did the same test with freezing the trichs and measuring he would see a % difference even if they were EXACT weight flowers before seeing how much weight he had in actual medicine inside each flower. Such a simple test that no one wants to do.


If you grow in an Air-Pot (NOT Smart Pots) it is averaged a 15% increase in yield because it stops root circling. Don't get me started on scientifics and facts to explain every single thing I just told you, please. Do some Google/Yahooíng.
So, if you are growing in a regular container and swapped to the 330W LED & use Air-Pots and increase your yield by 15% you would almost identically weigh out to what your 600W does, BUT, remember the extra Trichs and resin from the LED would make it far superior. This could not be said about LED's a year ago. If you simply want to stick with HPS go for it, but I've seen the outcome of a friends liquid cooled 1,000W dropped 5X closer (because of its cool to the touch) & it isnt going to really get better than what you got by to 1,000 unless you want more coverage. Of course with MH/HPS being Sphyrical the HID's arent going to give any direct beam of their lumen rating. About 30% of the light you recieve is all watered down relection from Mylar, and thats not to mention the 87% of unuseable light from both MH & HPS that is documented all over the internet like glue. Anyone can post those articles, and not 1 article goes against this fact. Put 97% reflective Mylar in an LED unit and I bet you would make up that 6% difference right there. The are running much less reflective Mylar in the Black Star LED's and every LED unit for that matter. You can then surround your LED with 97% reflectivity & shape it how you want (while measuring lumens and side light hitting by not allowing the LED's wider angles, and wider degree LED's get out of range, and force them back down, and to the sides, and who knows.... You may kill a liquid cooled 1,000W Digilix at 5X closer distance than conventional possibilities, and to run that liquid cooled takes 1,000W Bulb+over a 100+W Draw from the ballast+2X 90 Watt water pumps (one for water chiller and 1 for the fixture) + 460+W Water Chiller+ a Vornado fan on the radiator on the chiller and you'd be quite impressed to see more trich's coming from 330W opposed to 1,900 Watts Minimum to run a water cooled 1,000 that makes majorly better outcomes than a standard HID by being able to basically sit on a plant.


I can write a book. This is a short and sweet explanation without getting scientific.
 

jubiare

Active Member
I think the day that we see 600x600mm sized panels with the diodes spaced evenly over that space is the day LED really starts to come into it's own...
That day has already come to some extention: look at evo led
or look at what this guy is doing: plantphotonics.com
 

outlander1

Member
My vote is for the pro-grow's; far superior in my opinion. (I own both from HH and LHH)
Also be sure to contact them before you buy, they'll work out a great deal.

I'm a firm believer in more units vs single larger unit, however a lot of people may disagree. I would go with the 2x pro-grow.


Cheers,
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
My vote is for the pro-grow's; far superior in my opinion. (I own both from HH and LHH)
Also be sure to contact them before you buy, they'll work out a great deal.

I'm a firm believer in more units vs single larger unit, however a lot of people may disagree. I would go with the 2x pro-grow.


Cheers,

I also agree with this, from the grows i've seen......... More smaller units tend to do better IMO...
 

KnockWood

Active Member
coolj,

If you'd like to see Advanced LED lights in action, there are several growers on another forum who are and have done some very nice things with them. Do a google search for users' names Magic Beans and SteveHman . When you find their threads you'll also find other growers posting on their threads who likewise are working successfully with LED.

In fact Magic Beans has a side-by-side running right now using 250w HPS up against the new 200w Diamond series from Advanced LED. Cool stuff!
 

Snafu1236

Well-Known Member
Just picked up a 100W lIghthouse Flowering 6 Band UFO...always beena sun, fluor and hps guy, figured id give LEDs a whirl. Thanks for the thread, its been enlightening thus far.
 

puffenuff

Well-Known Member
coolj,

If you'd like to see Advanced LED lights in action, there are several growers on another forum who are and have done some very nice things with them. Do a google search for users' names Magic Beans and SteveHman . When you find their threads you'll also find other growers posting on their threads who likewise are working successfully with LED.

In fact Magic Beans has a side-by-side running right now using 250w HPS up against the new 200w Diamond series from Advanced LED. Cool stuff!
Those are both good journals. I grow with Advanced leds so I know how good they are firsthand...they rock!
 

KnockWood

Active Member
...they rock!
I'm finding that myself. Since I've never grown anything with any other light, I have nothing to compare my LED experience with.... and I think that can be a good thing.

I don't know how I might have missed your journos. I'll have to peruse them.
:peace:
 
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