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tenthirty

Well-Known Member
Ok ,not that cheap ...
I'd say for double ...
up to 4$/ Watt ...
But ...
With all the components used ,top-quality ...( Built not Sold )...
No VAT here. LOL.
Out of rapidled.com, certainly < $3.00 a watt.
My first one came out at a little over $2 a watt and the second one a little less, but I did have some stuff left over from the first.

Cree XM-L's and XP-G's passive cooling and Meanwell drivers. all good stuff.
 

astroastro

Active Member
ten thirty- good to hear from you. A crow bar circuit would probably be overly expensive and would not accomplish what we want to happen- the LED series string to continue operation with a failed LED in the string. The neat thing about the zener is that, with the exception on NOT emitting photons when current is run throught the device, it 'electrically' looks and feels like pretty much just like another LED in the series string.

The failure mode for an LED protected by these devices goes something like this- the LED fails, the constant current power supply increases it's voltage to overcome the slightly higher breakdown voltage (which mimics the 'voltage drop' of the LED) of the zener, current flows through the zener and the series string of LED's continues to operate as if no LED had failed at all- the remaining LED's work as if nothing had happened at all. If the LED does not fail, the zener doesn't not reach it's breakdown voltage and does nothing at all- no current flowing, no nothing, this is normal operation.

A look at the specialized devices that I mentioned which provide this LED series string protection function can be found here http://www.bourns.com/ProductLine.aspx?name=led_shunt_protectors or here, http://www.littelfuse.com/products/led-protectors/led-protector/pled.aspx. I am not a salesman for these devices or trying to sell ANYTHING here- just providing information.

I also did a Google images search for 'zener diode' here- https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=715&q=zener+diode&oq=zener+diode&gs_l=img.3..0l10.3009.6189.0.7912.11.8.0.3.3.0.259.810.5j2j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.4.img.uC5xO5jYY44

As you can see, the generic zener diode as per the first image is amazingly like parts that are shown on the circular LED module above- and decidedly NOT like the actual LED protection devices that were specifically designed for this function from Bourns/ Littelfuse. Again- the specifically designed devices are designed to handle the high currents associated with this type of LED lighting. These are going to cost about 10x more than a standard zener diode per part- this is why they will not appear on most imported LED light fixtures.
 

tenthirty

Well-Known Member
ten thirty- good to hear from you. A crow bar circuit would probably be overly expensive and would not accomplish what we want to happen- the LED series string to continue operation with a failed LED in the string. The neat thing about the zener is that, with the exception on NOT emitting photons when current is run throught the device, it 'electrically' looks and feels like pretty much just like another LED in the series string.

The failure mode for an LED protected by these devices goes something like this- the LED fails, the constant current power supply increases it's voltage to overcome the slightly higher breakdown voltage (which mimics the 'voltage drop' of the LED) of the zener, current flows through the zener and the series string of LED's continues to operate as if no LED had failed at all- the remaining LED's work as if nothing had happened at all. If the LED does not fail, the zener doesn't not reach it's breakdown voltage and does nothing at all- no current flowing, no nothing, this is normal operation.

A look at the specialized devices that I mentioned which provide this LED series string protection function can be found here http://www.bourns.com/ProductLine.aspx?name=led_shunt_protectors or here, http://www.littelfuse.com/products/led-protectors/led-protector/pled.aspx. I am not a salesman for these devices or trying to sell ANYTHING here- just providing information.

I also did a Google images search for 'zener diode' here- https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=715&q=zener+diode&oq=zener+diode&gs_l=img.3..0l10.3009.6189.0.7912.11.8.0.3.3.0.259.810.5j2j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.4.img.uC5xO5jYY44

As you can see, the generic zener diode as per the first image is amazingly like parts that are shown on the circular LED module above- and decidedly NOT like the actual LED protection devices that were specifically designed for this function from Bourns/ Littelfuse. Again- the specifically designed devices are designed to handle the high currents associated with this type of LED lighting. These are going to cost about 10x more than a standard zener diode per part- this is why they will not appear on most imported LED light fixtures.
Ya, the shunt is more elegant, but you only have to crowbar the driver. Though when you crow bar it, the string will go black.
 

guod

Well-Known Member
Though when you crow bar it, the string will go black.
yes, and it will shorten your driver. the fuse will also not help here, we have a constant current from the driver.
 

guod

Well-Known Member
Do you want to let the smoke out of the $30.00 driver or the sting of $100.00 leds?
Lesser of 2 evils.
do you use a crowbar in your diy light?
i hear you only talking but never see a circuit or anything else from you.

in my first ever post here i show up a way how to protect two parallel led-string against overload.

https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/led-other-lighting/2262166d1342796646-diy-modular-led-light-power.jpg
this was only necessary for the Parallel strings, all other protection is done by the driver.

from the meanwell user manual

2.2 OVERCURRENT PROTECTION (OCP) / OVERLOAD PROTECT
ION (OLP)
Mean Well Power Supplies are equipped with a protection circuit that will automatically operate when the output current and/or
output power exceeds a minimum 105% of the rating.
Types of Protection:
a.
Foldback Current Limiting:
The Foldback Current Limiting circuit is designed to
linearly decrease both the voltage and current to
a level that will prevent the power supply from being damaged during
overcurrent/overload conditions.
Foldback Current Limiting is most often used in
linear power supplies but it is sometimes used in switching power supplies.

b.
Constant Current Limiting:
Constant Current Limiting allows the output current
to remain stable, but reduces the output voltage to a level that permits the
safe operation of the power supply. Constant Current Limiting is preferred when driving devices such as motors, incandescent
lamps and highly capacitive loads which have a high
initial current. It&#8217;s also preferred for charging lead-acid batteries.

c.
Constant Power Limiting:
Constant Power Limiting linearly reduces the output
voltage and simultaneously allows the output current to increase.
Constant power limiting is most often used in multiple voltage output switching power supplies.
See example of D-60A in section 2.1

d.
Hiccup Current Limiting:
When overloaded, the output voltage and current will be shut down for a short period of time and then automatically attempt to
recover again until the fault condition is removed.
In a few cases (S-150) the output voltage is shut
down permanently, reducing
the output voltage and current to zero. A manual recovery is then necessary. Some power supplies may have constant current
down to 75% or 50% of the rated output voltage below this the hiccup mode operates. In some cases the power supply will
operate in constant current mode and then shutdown
after a time delay of 3 to 5 seconds.
 

tenthirty

Well-Known Member
do you use a crowbar in your diy light?
No, being a lazy stoner it took an act of congress to just build the thing through stream of consciousness and readily available parts.

I just buy the meanwell drivers and rest assured that they put in appropriate protection.
No need to reinvent the wheel.

For $30.00 there is no way that I could build something like the meanwell drivers or as good.
 

420dj

Member
Where can I get feed back on people that have bought lights from this place and in particular this model.

http://store.prosourceworldwide.com/Illuminator-180W-UFO-LED-Grow-Lights-p/illuminator%20jumbo%20ufo%20180w.htm

Any info about this company would be useful no matter what the nature of the interaction.
I would also love some feedback on this light, looks legit. I'm gonna call them and have a chat. On there site right now they have $100 off price if ordered before march 2nd. I'm also gonna ask how long the wait will be till the actual lights get shipped since they are not in stock right now.
 

Bad Karma

Well-Known Member
I'm planning on mixing mine with CFL's. How does that work?
I supplement mine with CFL's as well, using 2700K bulbs.
I string them down the middle of the tent so everybody is equally covered.
I use 2 55W and 2 42W CFL bulbs, with the 55Wers in the middle and a 42Wer on each end.
The CFL's give off warm white and UV light, to help give the plants a full spectrum.
I would use the ratio of 1 55W CFL per every 2 180W Illuminators.
Good luck.
 
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