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i figured with veg i wouldnt need the mass penetration that the regular one offers thats why i was thinking wide angle. But that being said im def keepin my panel that i have i just have to find the right spot to use it and im not sure i want to use it flowering anymore maybe i do but maybe i dont. I have to consider other factors now i mean for 200 bucks i can get a light specific for flower that is induction that def puts out just as much if not more light than my led right now. That and you have convinced me that these blackstars can send stuff into flower early they do have a lot of red spectrum and i guess that is why they are labeled for flowering when you look at the ad. Im not entirely sold on kessil yet just because of how small it looks i mean i understand the concept but its hard to get over the size shock you know. Its hard to think it could cover the same amount of area my panel does right now. So... im left at somewhat of a loss right now as to what to do. Im going to have 3 cabs one for like up to four mothers in 3 gal pots, and two others with gh waterfarms in them. The one 240 panel is plenty for that if i scrog it back. But then im left with wondering what to do with my veg waterfarm what to run LED? Induction? i just dont know. I do know that if i go led for it, it wont be a blackstar because it has to stay in veg for about a month maybe longer and i cant have it getting thrown into flowering. I want to try induction but i am very satisfied with the led for veg purposes so would like to stick with that for veg, but if i go induction for flower then i have a my blackstar chillin there. Ack so many different ways i could skin this cat lol.

Viagro said:

If you're a commercial guy, you might be interested in the $1200 (and up) plasma light at sea-of-green.com.

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actually viagro i just looked at the specs on those and they are not all that impressive go to the bottom of the page on induction lamps.com and look at the 2700k spectrum induction lamp it looks like the SOG model is that color spectrum and its about 600 bucks more for 30 watts more than the 300w version on inductionlamps.com just sayin now im going to re read the product catalog and see if i missed anything but i dont think so. Well ok so i looked again and they claim full spectrum but it sure looks red to me...

KaptK- Did you read the Kessil page I linked to? Their tech explanation is worth reading. They worked with NASA to develop it, and nothing else can touch it, LEDwise.

I had my doubts, but you should see it perform. I love it.

Yea i read the page im just still like i said its a size thing i understand the concept but sometimes one has a hard time wrapping ones mind around the fact that something as small as a flashlight to could put out more light or equal to my 240 panel that is like 3x the size lol. How much area are u using it in? Would it cover my 2x3 space effectively

Kaptain Kron said:

Yea i read the page im just still like i said its a size thing i understand the concept but sometimes one has a hard time wrapping ones mind around the fact that something as small as a flashlight to could put out more light or equal to my 240 panel that is like 3x the size lol. How much area are u using it in? Would it cover my 2x3 space effectively

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The smallest Secret Jardin, pretty small, but I can't judge its footprint by what I'm doing. It's the penetration that is really impressive, but their photos show it up against a panel and outdoing it. It might be deceptive, and one thing I don't like is when you see the picture of them on websites for sale, they have 2 lights side by side...sort of misleading. I watched their videos, and communicated with their office, and I took the plunge. So far, so good.

ok well ill consider getting the same one you have to try out side by side with my blackstar when i get those waterfarms going. Its lookin more and more like the blackstar is going to end up going away and induction and kessil is going to be coming in lol not that there is anything wrong with the panel i just need to do more veg with it than i feel comfortable after you telling me about flowering early with them

Can i build my own LED rig to fit my space, but still have it be strong enough. If i put three panels on the top and sides of my box? for only 1 plant

yea, your better off using 1 good led panel vs 3 shitty ones, unless your a baller than get 3 good ones and have one bomb plant that wasted a bunch of good light!

How would i go about making an led panel for a space

14 in length
7 in width
12.5 in hight

beaujanglez said:

How would i go about making an led panel for a space

14 in length
7 in width
12.5 in hight

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Dude, I've read that LED's are optimum at 18" above the canopy. Not sure if you can use them in that tight of a space.

yeah your space is too small for led guy your gonna burn em up believe it or not you need at least a few feet i would say like 3 or so 1ft for your space for light and 2ft for growth bare minimum.

If you want to learn about building LED's there are links in this thread to a guys website in the UK that sells DIY kits custom made to whatever size you need.

damn alright. so just stick with CFL? just gonna grow 1 plant. should be able to do it

yea cfl will handle that no problem.

i would really love to have your help on my stealth grow kron. If you would like to see what im growing in, here a link with some pictures.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/390382-tight-squeeze-light-help.html

Kaptain Kron said:

yeah your space is too small for led guy your gonna burn em up believe it or not you need at least a few feet i would say like 3 or so 1ft for your space for light and 2ft for growth bare minimum.

If you want to learn about building LED's there are links in this thread to a guys website in the UK that sells DIY kits custom made to whatever size you need.

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i keep my lights 6-8 inches in veg and 3-6 during flower.... check the pics...

The Haight Solid State grow lights use the latest LED technology to deliver outstanding growth performance. Plants use only a small portion of light from the sun. The measure of the light levels of the useful part of the spectrum for plants is called the "Photosynthetic Photon Flux" or PPF. Our PPF grow lights are thin, lightweight and have no fans.
The LEDs are 6W each - more than 4 times brighter than the Cree XB. The LEDs are automotive rated - the toughest rating for semiconductors. These are the only grow lights currently using this new generation of LEDs - they produce more light, penetrate deeper, and cost less.
The PPF-800 should be positioned 6-18 inches above the canopy. Closer than 6 inches can result in stunted growth during the vegetative stage but it is a good idea to move the lights closer (2-3 inches) during flowering.

this is from the company FYI they use 6 watt bulbs @ 140 degree lens, i havent tried at 12-18 inches yet, i did 6-8 during veg and 3-6 for flower....then the part below the tops are still relatively close....i was thinking about penetration. the plants are about 3 feet tall and are in week 7 of flower

solarguy said:

The Haight Solid State grow lights use the latest LED technology to deliver outstanding growth performance. Plants use only a small portion of light from the sun. The measure of the light levels of the useful part of the spectrum for plants is called the "Photosynthetic Photon Flux" or PPF. Our PPF grow lights are thin, lightweight and have no fans.
The LEDs are 6W each - more than 4 times brighter than the Cree XB. The LEDs are automotive rated - the toughest rating for semiconductors. These are the only grow lights currently using this new generation of LEDs - they produce more light, penetrate deeper, and cost less.
The PPF-800 should be positioned 6-18 inches above the canopy. Closer than 6 inches can result in stunted growth during the vegetative stage but it is a good idea to move the lights closer (2-3 inches) during flowering.

this is from the company FYI they use 6 watt bulbs @ 140 degree lens, i havent tried at 12-18 inches yet, i did 6-8 during veg and 3-6 for flower....then the part below the tops are still relatively close....i was thinking about penetration. the plants are about 3 feet tall and are in week 7 of flower

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Definitely sounds like a "sales pitch".

Can you explain how the "penetration" is measured and point me towards some data comparing "measured" penetration of the Haight lights with any other specific LED light.

idk man, i copied that from the website.....all im saying is i keep them way closer than 12inches and it seems to be working, people are saying 12-18 inches above canopy is optimal.....

penetration to me means that if the light is closer to the plant it is getting more intense light.

i would like to know what would happen it the light is higher like others recommend, say the 12-18 inches range....i can timagine better results. I find it hard to believe that the range is 6-18 inches as recommended from their website either, wasnt trying to make a sales pitch.

and the fact that haight uses 6 watt bulbs vs 1watt, i believe they can put out more powerful beams of light, penetrating deeper giving the lower parts of the plant enough light, similar to a cfl having to be really close to being effective. now i understand 1 watt bulbs are the most efficient and i agree, the math speaks but that does not mean that 6 watt leds arent more beneficial....i feel like a 6 watt bulb will give you a taller healthier plant