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Beer Belly
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Got my Mars 700 LED's up and cookin' a couple weeks ago, can I join the club?
Swinging off the Agro Mover
Love these Method 7 LED glasses. Work for my camera too.
Cheers!
Swinging off the Agro Mover
Love these Method 7 LED glasses. Work for my camera too.
Cheers!
7th1der
Well-Known Member
Set up is nice! Kinda looks like the vision I have for a closet. Did the set up hurt your pockets?Got my Mars 700 LED's up and cookin' a couple weeks ago, can I join the club?
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Swinging off the Agro Mover
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Love these Method 7 LED glasses. Work for my camera too.
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Cheers!
Beer Belly
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A little spendy but I had some extra $$ after an auto settlement. So I said fuck paying dispensary, I'm gonna try and grow some.
FranJan
Well-Known Member
Is it me being a crabby little froggy again or is this guy a complete clueless fuckin sellout? Holy shit this guy is straight outta 2011 
.
http://www.hightimes.com/read/nicos-nuggets-led-grow-systems?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+HIGHTIMESMagazine+(HIGH+TIMES+Magazine)
Nico's Nuggets: LED Grow Systems
By Nico Escondido · Thu Feb 05, 2015
Hey Nico,
I just read one of your articles on the HIGH TIMES website and I was wondering if there is a good LED company that you could recommend for a small home-grow of about 4-6 plants. It seems that there are many mixed opinions on whether or not they are worth buying. I have been doing a lot of research, and I believe that LED is better than HPS for my situation, but I want to make sure that I buy a quality light. Thank you for your time. — Jordan B.
Greetings, Jordan. Thanks very much for reading HT and for taking some time to write in to us!
You have asked a question that I get asked probably a couple of times a day from readers. And you are correct when you say there are many opinions out there regarding LED lamps. In fact, this summer, HIGH TIMES plans to publish an article that reviews all the newest lighting technology out on the market today, including LEDs, plasma lamps, and induction lighting. It will surely be worth checking out.
As for me, I have strong opinions about horticultural lighting and would say that photobiology is perhaps my favorite niche of plant sciences. I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate, but I will share with you some facts that I have uncovered in my own research.
To start, you ask about buying a quality LED lamp. The answer to this is based on your word choice: quality. Grow lamps offer both light quality (spectrum) and light quantity (photon energy). Much of the research out there when it comes to LEDs seems to be misinterpreted or misrepresented. For light quality to be at it’s maximum, the lamp must provide full spectrum light. Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp.
Other LED manufacturers will try to convince you that their lamps provide the optimal spectrum plants need most, and thus their products are heavier in red or blue wavelengths. These are the lamps you see emitting purple or pink hues on plants. Unfortunately, regardless of what manufacturers may argue, science has proven that plants do, in fact, need full-spectrum light. Now, it is true that plants may not need each spectral wavelength in even quantities, so there is an argument to made there, but the argument that plants need red and blues most is not true. The truth is that red and blue wavelengths are least abundant in the Sun’s natural light, thus plants on Earth have evolved to be more efficient in absorbing and processing those color wavelengths, but by no means does it mean they only need those wavelengths or even need more of them.
The second issue to deal with is light quantity, or strength. This is also a huge issue for LED manufacturers as diodes are cheapest in smaller wattages and anything over a 5-watt diode tends to get pricey. This is why the best LED lamps on the market are approaching $3,000. When it gets to that range, the energy costs they are saving you annually barely outweighs the cost of the lamps, thus as LED lamps gets better, they lose their competitive edge in the market place.
Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow. Most, if not all, of these brands also offer smaller units that are excellent for supplementing HID lamps for better plant development. Of course, if you garden space is small, using both types of lamps may be problematic!
Thanks for reading everyone and remember: Grow… And help the world grow, too!
Got questions? Email ‘em over to Nico at [email protected] and be sure to put “Nico’s Nuggets” in the subject line!
Holy shit where's my local High Times office? I'm gonna steal this "experts" yob. I mean the fuckin' guy's seems a bit biased to begin with, (" I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate"), why employ him as a LED guru?
"Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp."
So a blue pumped, yellow phosphor "white" LED is sunshine to you Nico? Ever hear of the term metamerism Nico? Didn't think so. And the term is "Broad" spectrum, that's what you're attempting to talk about Mr Photobiologist. Full spectrum is a marketing term that sounds better than multi-spectrum which sounds more random and less like natural light.
"Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow."
BlackDog? Stealth, (Holy shit they still make those
)????? Lumigrow!!!!??? What's the matter Hans didn't buy a two page advertisement? Higher wattages? High Times should change their name to Stoopid High and Behind the Times
I could go on if I wasn't baked. Rant over, inhaling deeply again.
.http://www.hightimes.com/read/nicos-nuggets-led-grow-systems?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+HIGHTIMESMagazine+(HIGH+TIMES+Magazine)
Nico's Nuggets: LED Grow Systems
By Nico Escondido · Thu Feb 05, 2015
Hey Nico,
I just read one of your articles on the HIGH TIMES website and I was wondering if there is a good LED company that you could recommend for a small home-grow of about 4-6 plants. It seems that there are many mixed opinions on whether or not they are worth buying. I have been doing a lot of research, and I believe that LED is better than HPS for my situation, but I want to make sure that I buy a quality light. Thank you for your time. — Jordan B.
Greetings, Jordan. Thanks very much for reading HT and for taking some time to write in to us!
You have asked a question that I get asked probably a couple of times a day from readers. And you are correct when you say there are many opinions out there regarding LED lamps. In fact, this summer, HIGH TIMES plans to publish an article that reviews all the newest lighting technology out on the market today, including LEDs, plasma lamps, and induction lighting. It will surely be worth checking out.
As for me, I have strong opinions about horticultural lighting and would say that photobiology is perhaps my favorite niche of plant sciences. I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate, but I will share with you some facts that I have uncovered in my own research.
To start, you ask about buying a quality LED lamp. The answer to this is based on your word choice: quality. Grow lamps offer both light quality (spectrum) and light quantity (photon energy). Much of the research out there when it comes to LEDs seems to be misinterpreted or misrepresented. For light quality to be at it’s maximum, the lamp must provide full spectrum light. Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp.
Other LED manufacturers will try to convince you that their lamps provide the optimal spectrum plants need most, and thus their products are heavier in red or blue wavelengths. These are the lamps you see emitting purple or pink hues on plants. Unfortunately, regardless of what manufacturers may argue, science has proven that plants do, in fact, need full-spectrum light. Now, it is true that plants may not need each spectral wavelength in even quantities, so there is an argument to made there, but the argument that plants need red and blues most is not true. The truth is that red and blue wavelengths are least abundant in the Sun’s natural light, thus plants on Earth have evolved to be more efficient in absorbing and processing those color wavelengths, but by no means does it mean they only need those wavelengths or even need more of them.
The second issue to deal with is light quantity, or strength. This is also a huge issue for LED manufacturers as diodes are cheapest in smaller wattages and anything over a 5-watt diode tends to get pricey. This is why the best LED lamps on the market are approaching $3,000. When it gets to that range, the energy costs they are saving you annually barely outweighs the cost of the lamps, thus as LED lamps gets better, they lose their competitive edge in the market place.
Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow. Most, if not all, of these brands also offer smaller units that are excellent for supplementing HID lamps for better plant development. Of course, if you garden space is small, using both types of lamps may be problematic!
Thanks for reading everyone and remember: Grow… And help the world grow, too!
Got questions? Email ‘em over to Nico at [email protected] and be sure to put “Nico’s Nuggets” in the subject line!
Holy shit where's my local High Times office? I'm gonna steal this "experts" yob. I mean the fuckin' guy's seems a bit biased to begin with, (" I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate"), why employ him as a LED guru?
"Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp."
So a blue pumped, yellow phosphor "white" LED is sunshine to you Nico? Ever hear of the term metamerism Nico? Didn't think so. And the term is "Broad" spectrum, that's what you're attempting to talk about Mr Photobiologist. Full spectrum is a marketing term that sounds better than multi-spectrum which sounds more random and less like natural light.
"Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow."
BlackDog? Stealth, (Holy shit they still make those
)????? Lumigrow!!!!??? What's the matter Hans didn't buy a two page advertisement? Higher wattages? High Times should change their name to Stoopid High and Behind the Times I could go on if I wasn't baked. Rant over, inhaling deeply again.
Beer Belly
Well-Known Member
Is it me being a crabby little froggy again or is this guy a complete clueless fuckin sellout? Holy shit this guy is straight outta 2011
http://www.hightimes.com/read/nicos-nuggets-led-grow-systems?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: HIGHTIMESMagazine (HIGH TIMES Magazine)
Nico's Nuggets: LED Grow Systems
By Nico Escondido · Thu Feb 05, 2015
Hey Nico,
I just read one of your articles on the HIGH TIMES website and I was wondering if there is a good LED company that you could recommend for a small home-grow of about 4-6 plants. It seems that there are many mixed opinions on whether or not they are worth buying. I have been doing a lot of research, and I believe that LED is better than HPS for my situation, but I want to make sure that I buy a quality light. Thank you for your time. — Jordan B.
Greetings, Jordan. Thanks very much for reading HT and for taking some time to write in to us!
You have asked a question that I get asked probably a couple of times a day from readers. And you are correct when you say there are many opinions out there regarding LED lamps. In fact, this summer, HIGH TIMES plans to publish an article that reviews all the newest lighting technology out on the market today, including LEDs, plasma lamps, and induction lighting. It will surely be worth checking out.
As for me, I have strong opinions about horticultural lighting and would say that photobiology is perhaps my favorite niche of plant sciences. I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate, but I will share with you some facts that I have uncovered in my own research.
To start, you ask about buying a quality LED lamp. The answer to this is based on your word choice: quality. Grow lamps offer both light quality (spectrum) and light quantity (photon energy). Much of the research out there when it comes to LEDs seems to be misinterpreted or misrepresented. For light quality to be at it’s maximum, the lamp must provide full spectrum light. Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp.
Other LED manufacturers will try to convince you that their lamps provide the optimal spectrum plants need most, and thus their products are heavier in red or blue wavelengths. These are the lamps you see emitting purple or pink hues on plants. Unfortunately, regardless of what manufacturers may argue, science has proven that plants do, in fact, need full-spectrum light. Now, it is true that plants may not need each spectral wavelength in even quantities, so there is an argument to made there, but the argument that plants need red and blues most is not true. The truth is that red and blue wavelengths are least abundant in the Sun’s natural light, thus plants on Earth have evolved to be more efficient in absorbing and processing those color wavelengths, but by no means does it mean they only need those wavelengths or even need more of them.
The second issue to deal with is light quantity, or strength. This is also a huge issue for LED manufacturers as diodes are cheapest in smaller wattages and anything over a 5-watt diode tends to get pricey. This is why the best LED lamps on the market are approaching $3,000. When it gets to that range, the energy costs they are saving you annually barely outweighs the cost of the lamps, thus as LED lamps gets better, they lose their competitive edge in the market place.
Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow. Most, if not all, of these brands also offer smaller units that are excellent for supplementing HID lamps for better plant development. Of course, if you garden space is small, using both types of lamps may be problematic!
Thanks for reading everyone and remember: Grow… And help the world grow, too!
Got questions? Email ‘em over to Nico at [email protected] and be sure to put “Nico’s Nuggets” in the subject line!
Holy shit where's my local High Times office? I'm gonna steal this "experts" yob. I mean the fuckin' guy's seems a bit biased to begin with, (" I will not try and dissuade you here from buying an LED lamp, and perhaps for a small garden like yours it is appropriate"), why employ him as a LED guru?
"Many LED lamps claim to be full spectrum, but they are not. If the light emitted from the lamp is not white light, as it is from the sun, then it is not a full spectrum lamp."
So a blue pumped, yellow phosphor "white" LED is sunshine to you Nico? Ever hear of the term metamerism Nico? Didn't think so. And the term is "Broad" spectrum, that's what you're attempting to talk about Mr Photobiologist. Full spectrum is a marketing term that sounds better than multi-spectrum which sounds more random and less like natural light.
"Very soon, if not already, LED companies will begin pushing out HI-LED lamps, or high-intensity LEDs. These lamps will utilize flat, chip-like diode that offer much higher wattages and we hope to cover one or two of this in this summer’s article. But for now, I have seen nice results using brands such as Stealth Grow, California Lightworks, Blackdog, and LumiGrow."
BlackDog? Stealth, (Holy shit they still make those
I could go on if I wasn't baked. Rant over, inhaling deeply again.
Guy at HT is an idiot!
alesh
Well-Known Member
I agree that the article is mostly BS, but this part I actually consider to be true.
Full spectrum light is to be white. On the other hand, not every white light is full spectrum.
(By full spectrum light I mean a light in which all visible wavelengths are included - more or less equally.)
FranJan
Well-Known Member
Pardon me brother BK. Normally I don't like to post anything for at least a week after you post something but you beat me to it. Can't wait to see some end result close ups.
Alesh if you put the term full spectrum grow lights into a search engine you will see the companies that use that term. And if you mean white light say white or broad. Full spectrum lights can be any color now. It's whatever the dominant color is. It's a marketing term and IMHO you should lose it from your vocabulary.
http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/NLPIP/lightingAnswers/fullSpectrum/abstract.asp
The term full-spectrum is not a technical term, but rather a marketing term implying a smooth and continuous spectral power distribution (SPD) without the spikes and troughs in radiant energy common with most discharge light sources (e.g., fluorescent and metal halide).
Alesh if you put the term full spectrum grow lights into a search engine you will see the companies that use that term. And if you mean white light say white or broad. Full spectrum lights can be any color now. It's whatever the dominant color is. It's a marketing term and IMHO you should lose it from your vocabulary.
http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/NLPIP/lightingAnswers/fullSpectrum/abstract.asp
The term full-spectrum is not a technical term, but rather a marketing term implying a smooth and continuous spectral power distribution (SPD) without the spikes and troughs in radiant energy common with most discharge light sources (e.g., fluorescent and metal halide).
Bad Karma
Well-Known Member
Who needs to wait for end results? Ask, and you shall receive, froggy.
Akorn
Ace of Spades
M&M420
Member
hey guys, doing my first grow with a cali lightworks solarflare 220 LED about 2.5 weeks from seeds right now. check out my grow: https://www.rollitup.org/t/1st-grow-cali-lightworks-solarflare-220w-led-secret-jardin-ds90ii-3x3x5.860233/#post-11315366 not much to look at right now but i will be putting them into flower around march 1st...i would like to wait a little longer but my lease is up at the end of may so i need them to be done by then so we will c how it goes....like i said frist grow and so far im really happy with the 220 
i am using no other supplemental lighting only the Solarflare 220 Full Cycle .
i am using no other supplemental lighting only the Solarflare 220 Full Cycle .
alesh
Well-Known Member
Full spectrum light (by either my definition "By full spectrum light I mean a light in which all visible wavelengths are included - more or less equally." or yours "implying a smooth and continuous spectral power distribution (SPD) without the spikes and troughs in radiant energy") is going to be some tint of white (ofc CCT and CRI can vary). I don't think there's something wrong with the term itself (although it's not a "technical term") but rather with the marketing of some LED companies using it and consequently people falling for it.Pardon me brother BK. Normally I don't like to post anything for at least a week after you post something but you beat me to it. Can't wait to see some end result close ups.
Alesh if you put the term full spectrum grow lights into a search engine you will see the companies that use that term. And if you mean white light say white or broad. Full spectrum lights can be any color now. It's whatever the dominant color is. It's a marketing term and IMHO you should lose it from your vocabulary.
http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/NLPIP/lightingAnswers/fullSpectrum/abstract.asp
The term full-spectrum is not a technical term, but rather a marketing term implying a smooth and continuous spectral power distribution (SPD) without the spikes and troughs in radiant energy common with most discharge light sources (e.g., fluorescent and metal halide).
Later in that article you posted, they're talking about high CRI of full spectrum lights as well as that they mostly have higher CCT -- both quantities meaningful only for...guess...white light.
And please, don't tell me what I should do.
same here, I just bought the clw 220 fullcycle. I'm using it now to finish off a plant that was already just about done flowering. There seems to be a slight improvement in bud quality over the 200w cfl I was using.. Next grow will be 4 feminized seeds in a 15 airpot. That's about a 2 x 2 footprint. My initial opinion is a full cycle 220 would not be my first choice for veg only, don't know if the vegmaster is any better, but that's a lot of money just to get a plant green. Let me know how it goes. Nice picture of a very promising grow tent.
Gquebed
Well-Known Member
I was wondering if there was such a thing as led glasses...i looked but couldnt find...Got my Mars 700 LED's up and cookin' a couple weeks ago, can I join the club?
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Swinging off the Agro Mover
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Love these Method 7 LED glasses. Work for my camera too.
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Cheers!
Now i know i just didnt look hard enough...lol
Thanks for the inadvertant tip....
FranJan
Well-Known Member
Sorry Alesh but i will tell you my opinion any time i damn well please and will defend my opinion around this shithole of lies and arrogance just as freely as you criticize me or to try to score some brownie points off me. Your totally not as knowledgeable as you'd like to think kid, hence that is why you use marketing terms in your LED conversations.
Now take a guess what I'm telling you to do bright boy
Oh I'm sorry, did i shit on everybody's little garden of positivity again?
Beer Belly
Well-Known Member
So far so good with my MARS II 700's and a couple of $50 300w e-Bay specials. Liking what I'm seeing after 15 days at flower
Even the auto likes it
Even the auto likes it
