LED vs H.I.D

cdgmoney250 · 2025-04-21T17:40:49-0600

Rocket Soul said:
I think both yes and no on the wide spectrum. If this was true then all outdoor weed would be superior to indoors and fetch a higher market price which is not quite true.

I’m going to have to disagree with you on the wide sun-like spectrum. Filling the cyan/green gap that is lacking from most traditional LED spectrums, is something that I’m working on right now and plant response is great so far. But when I was referring to broadening both ends of the spectrum, I was referring to blue/violet/UV nanometers and also deep red/Far Red nanometers. Like 365nm- 437nm & 660nm - 730nm, that are typically missing or minimally present in most standard LED spectrums.

I should also clarify when I’m talking about quality of plants grown under sunlight vs artificial light, I’m personally referring to indoor vs greenhouse grown, not just “outdoor” grown. Which don’t get me wrong, I’ve had excellent outdoor and excellent indoor herb. Outdoor grown is at the mercy of Mother Nature though. So if you don’t live in an ideal climate/environment, your end quality is likely to suffer some.
But, consistently the very best I’ve ever had has always come from soil grown greenhouse weed grown under the Sun, and it’s not even a close competition. The terpenes are so much more diverse and pronounced, the flavor seems to almost always translate through the smoke, and the high seems to last hours longer than indoor herb.
I’ve even seen cuts that myself and buddies ran for years indoors under different types of lighting look, smell, taste and feel very different and better in every way when grown in living soil in a greenhouse, under sunlight. It was unrecognizable and amazing (707 Headband). I’ve seen it personally a number times, and studies support what I’ve personally experienced.
Market pricing has nothing to do with how good the weed actually is unfortunately, at least in the States. Pricing is based on bag appeal, test #’s and the hype of the strain and that’s literally it. Not the nose or the taste or the quality of the smoke differentiates pricing. Here in the US, weed is legal to some degree in a majority of the populated states, but we are flooded with so much boof herb that I can’t take $1000 around town hitting up dispensaries or dealers and find good weed. There almost is no good weed on the market, just check the forums and see what older heads think. The market will buy what’s being provided, and currently that is mostly boof, but it’s priced as if it were actually good. I guess a majority of consumers may not actually know the difference between meh bud and outstanding bud.

Regarding your lighting tests, it would be cool to see the broad red from the last spectrum mixed with the double blue peak from the first spectrum. I’m hoping to be doing something similar in the next few months, but utilizing a number of different strips. Please keep us posted as you go!

Rocket Soul · 2025-04-21T21:23:24-0600

cdgmoney250 said:
I’m going to have to disagree with you on the wide sun-like spectrum. Filling the cyan/green gap that is lacking from most traditional LED spectrums, is something that I’m working on right now and plant response is great so far. But when I was referring to broadening both ends of the spectrum, I was referring to blue/violet/UV nanometers and also deep red/Far Red nanometers. Like 365nm- 437nm & 660nm - 730nm, that are typically missing or minimally present in most standard LED spectrums.

I should also clarify when I’m talking about quality of plants grown under sunlight vs artificial light, I’m personally referring to indoor vs greenhouse grown, not just “outdoor” grown. Which don’t get me wrong, I’ve had excellent outdoor and excellent indoor herb. Outdoor grown is at the mercy of Mother Nature though. So if you don’t live in an ideal climate/environment, your end quality is likely to suffer some.
But, consistently the very best I’ve ever had has always come from soil grown greenhouse weed grown under the Sun, and it’s not even a close competition. The terpenes are so much more diverse and pronounced, the flavor seems to almost always translate through the smoke, and the high seems to last hours longer than indoor herb.
I’ve even seen cuts that myself and buddies ran for years indoors under different types of lighting look, smell, taste and feel very different and better in every way when grown in living soil in a greenhouse, under sunlight. It was unrecognizable and amazing (707 Headband). I’ve seen it personally a number times, and studies support what I’ve personally experienced.
Market pricing has nothing to do with how good the weed actually is unfortunately, at least in the States. Pricing is based on bag appeal, test #’s and the hype of the strain and that’s literally it. Not the nose or the taste or the quality of the smoke differentiates pricing. Here in the US, weed is legal to some degree in a majority of the populated states, but we are flooded with so much boof herb that I can’t take $1000 around town hitting up dispensaries or dealers and find good weed. There almost is no good weed on the market, just check the forums and see what older heads think. The market will buy what’s being provided, and currently that is mostly boof, but it’s priced as if it were actually good. I guess a majority of consumers may not actually know the difference between meh bud and outstanding bud.

Regarding your lighting tests, it would be cool to see the broad red from the last spectrum mixed with the double blue peak from the first spectrum. I’m hoping to be doing something similar in the next few months, but utilizing a number of different strips. Please keep us posted as you go!

Agree with everything here, only i dont consider the gap to include green (550ish), its always high in white phosphor diodes, but cyan 475nm should definitely have a place in supplementation its just that it is impossible to find efficient diodes.
I have 4 triple red supp versions im testing against eachother (if all goes well) for more clarity in how i like to manage red supp: 640/660/680 in different mixes with triple 660 as a baseline. But all of these strips made to have a separate blue/uv channel.
The first strip with 405 supplemented would actually be the broadest spectrum, 405 + 680 with narrowband phosphor for the rest otf the peaks. All of these are 90 cri spectrums which come with a slight efficiency deficit to the standard 80 cris but speced at 35-40w per sq foot, and with a more flower centric spectrum i doubt that it will matter much.

Garlic Bud expert · 2025-04-21T21:25:03-0600

jimihendrix1 said:
I use 2 of them, with a 1000w HID, for each 4 x 4 area, at 24 inches, and slowly build up the duration to 4 hours per day, but also still watch at the reaction the plants have to it. I also use often use a Blue Heavy Hortilux Blue or similar type of bulb for flowering, with a 6000k-6500k spectrum. Which the Halides, also release 280nm of light. All the way to 2400nm+. I use the Solacure, to intensify the lowest spectrum. I also find it useful with 1000w HPS-Hortilux to enhance the lowest spectrum.
Also at 280nm, it has been shown that it will reduce/eliminate powdery mildew. 280nm, is the line of UVB/UVC.

I used a Hortilux-Super Blue MH for Veg and flowering

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Since the 80s, even today this bulb is used in professional horticulture across the board.
250.00 bulb. Ballast doesn't cost much, I've used the same bulb for years, I'd say every 3 years replace one. You can find the bulb 178.00

Simple reason why professional use them, plant health diagnosis, in any other light source deficiency will hide longer than the Hortilux-Super Blue.

Meaning You can see flaws better under this unique lights.
Terps explode strong, you'll get an exact replica of an outdoor grown plant.

The actual goal for a Cannabis plant. High and low K value stretch and shorter height, which for HPS this can shorten the stretch.

With the MH bulb. I reduce the stretch and get a more dense product. Even with color that HPS doesn't exhibit in the final product.

Since the 80s the HSB bulb is the greatest light source other than the sun.
I Super cropped a 2 limb plant day 1 flowering, the mains are on the left and right outside, the middle is the lower. This is penetration i would image what the description says about HID

Then there's diffused light, MH in flowering, big buds everywhere, lots of lights spaced out, instead of packed in.

Have you ever seen the power of the right HID system?
How about a 8000k MH last week of flowering? 10,000K last days?

Weed was better back in the day, because it was grown better indoors than it is today.

The carbon footprint was way lower and a very efficient solution to Cannabis not grown under the sun.

Overfeeding will ruin potency and taste. Cannabis will never be easy to grow, but it's like printing your own money, and being in full control of your medical needs.

I haven't proof read above , my pancakes are ready.

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