ttystikk
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Noobs don't pull like that their first OR second time out.
But I still agree with the general point, that one should walk thru the growing process before running to spend thousands on grow lights.
LED vs HPS
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But I still agree with the general point, that one should walk thru the growing process before running to spend thousands on grow lights.
Darth Vapour
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well a person with common sense and understanding of growing would ,,, my first indoor grow was 7 pounds 2 k 76 plants mind you i have hordicultural back ground Farming and planting etc
Anyways from clone vegged 5 weeks it cost me 300 bucks for 2000 watts mag ballast with open wing and bulb 450 bucks for exhaust fan lets say misc and everything 1000 bucks ducting etc soil Humidifer and De huey already owned
Anyways from clone vegged 5 weeks it cost me 300 bucks for 2000 watts mag ballast with open wing and bulb 450 bucks for exhaust fan lets say misc and everything 1000 bucks ducting etc soil Humidifer and De huey already owned
Michael Huntherz
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My post was not outright calling anyone a liar, but meant to illustrate that one must use discernment and not come to conclusions based on internet hearsay. Shitstorm detected.
I am still running series 1 Mars Blurple 5w lights myself and I wish I had invested differently. I am growing some seriously dank flowers, just not very efficiently nor in great quantity. I am reinvesting in COBs gradually to reduce electrical load. Not cost, we have cheap elec here, it is trivial, but merely to reduce circuit load and heat. I think with a good pair of COB panels I can get better quality and quantity while reducing load and therefore heat. Win win win win situation.
I am still running series 1 Mars Blurple 5w lights myself and I wish I had invested differently. I am growing some seriously dank flowers, just not very efficiently nor in great quantity. I am reinvesting in COBs gradually to reduce electrical load. Not cost, we have cheap elec here, it is trivial, but merely to reduce circuit load and heat. I think with a good pair of COB panels I can get better quality and quantity while reducing load and therefore heat. Win win win win situation.
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house34
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Anyone?
hyroot
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Preference. 2700k , 3000k, 3500k, or 4000k. Or a mix. Right now people seem to like either 3500k or 4000k. Cree cxb 3070 or cxb 3590. Or Bridgelux Vero 29.
a mongo frog
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Couldn't hps give you better quality and better yield then the blurple lamps your using?
Michael Huntherz
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I'm running a bunch of fluoros and CFls right now too, but briefly; Yes, partly, but I doubt they would be any frostier than I'm getting. The yield would be better I'm sure. If I had to do it over again I would have started with HID, then moved to COB panels, or just waited to start growing (but due to lack of planning I just sort of stumbled into it) however, HID would be potentially even hotter and run at the same wattage I'm using now. I'm reinvesting, but I'm not going to go back in time. I've seen enough evidence to support COBs kicking ass in the ways I mentioned, and that works for me. I'm not sure why you would you suggest this? Because of the low cost of HID? I've decided I've already mis-invested, so there's no sense in throwing away good money after bad. I'm going to do it right this time, high-end COBs are a fire-and-forget solution to my needs. I'll have them rolling near the beginning of 2016.
a mongo frog
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Oh, I was just trying to help your garden is all. Just thought the HID might be your best option. Im down for you to buy Cree's. The more you buy the more money i make. So buy lots please.
Yodaweed
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Those blurple lights are junk, I am currently running 2 blurple panels, 3 600w hps, 2 area 51 rw 150's and the blurple panels yield the least and consume about 350 watts of power. The rw 150's consume 300 watts and produce like 40% more or 50% more than the 2 blurples and each 600w hps is like double the yield of any of my LED setups. LEDs footprint is a joke ,you need to spend THOUSANDS to cover a medium to small sized grow and get quality ones. Just covering a 4x4 area like my 600w hps would cost nearly 4,000$ according to area51's estimate and pricing on their new not released Cree COB series.
Michael Huntherz
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Haha, do you own shares, or an outlet, or what? I'm looking for 8 each 3000k and 6500k 36v CXB3590 CD bin or higher, but I'd settle for CB.
Thanks for chiming in, always a pleasure, please drive through.
What I mean is I'm pretty sure anyone who has been on this site for more than five minutes knows that blurple LEDs are suboptimal choices. COBs are badass, HID is badass, COBs are more efficient. Period.
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a mongo frog
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ttystikk
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True this. Love the 'fire and forget' part, too.
ttystikk
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CDM more badass than HPS, but otherwise I'm in agreement here. The only remaining reason to run HID is low cost of acquisition. Once you've got your cash flow and grow op situation in order, I recommend COB LED as a second wave kind of upgrade. If you have the means, feel free to skip the first step and proceed directly to COB LED.
ttystikk
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Wise investment.
hyroot
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That's not how stocks work.
If you own 455 shares in cree you must be hurting. The stock has been down for the past year. Last year it was $60 a share. Then they took a dive. Then went back up to 35 when their Taiwanese subsidiary opened. Then took another dive after that.
Cree stock took a dive yesterday. At $24 a share. Cree stock doesn't have any dividend pay outs either.
If you own 455 shares in cree you must be hurting. The stock has been down for the past year. Last year it was $60 a share. Then they took a dive. Then went back up to 35 when their Taiwanese subsidiary opened. Then took another dive after that.
Cree stock took a dive yesterday. At $24 a share. Cree stock doesn't have any dividend pay outs either.
ttystikk
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I think that's why he's encouraging people to buy Cree chips- because he knows his company needs the boost?
I still think it's a good long term investment.
nk14zp
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Sort of how I'm doing it. Started growing with cfls.(had to see if I had any form of a green thumb) Then got a 400w hps/mh light for the flower room. Then got a 430hps witch will go in the new flower room when finished and then put the 400 with a mh bulb in the new veg room. Also got some cob leds to play around with. But for good grows that are plug and play I think it's hard to beat hid lighting.
ttystikk
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I predict that growing under COB LED will be even easier and will soon be the go-to lighting option, even for noobs.
The tech is alllllllmost there...
Darth Vapour
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Bottom line most people will go with the sure winner truly speaking i men you get quality and YIELD with HID mix HID and CMH and look the fuck out mix HID , CMH and plasma holy fucking christ yeah think
Everyone is screaming about efficency , and with that less heat ,, bottom line with all lighting every god dam one of them your going to need exhaust
stick a 600 watt cob unit into a 4 x 4 tent and see what happens with out an exhaust
Anything electronic will produce heat .. end of story
I am curious ttytsk are you using Cob presently ??
whats the cost going to be to change out or do a room 15 x 20 ??? 300 Sq feet
12,000 watt Hid room
cost me 1800 bucks or 12,000 watts @ 2.5 - 3 pounds per 25 Sq foot or under 1 k
What's cob cost 10,000 or more ??? what about LED what would that come around to 20,000 to be compatible but make less yield , Probably ???? Remember environment , and strain, and nutrients dictates quality..
You have any links to some Cob tree grows or anyone pulling 3 pounds under 1 of them i mean tree grows
Everyone talks Efficiency and cost savings like there running some tight ship lol ,, or some corporation trying to shave costs Guess what most of the growers on this site or any other, Are hardy being consistent in there yields .. So WTF at the end of the day everyones goal is to grow there plant as fast as possible and get the biggest yields ..
We see it all the time the HID killer yet is it really the hid killer i mean we can scour the net and see LED and COB are growing and yielding but are they actually beating out HID and statistic's show that there behind in the yield end close but behind and that is comparing them to 400 watters god forbid you put them up againt THE REAL BAD AZZ 1200 WATT DE cause i guarntee you the DE will destroy a cob in growth rates and yield
but i really want to see comparison yields same strain same enviroment etc etc and put a end to this cob, led Hid killers
Cause if you think you did good saving 200 bucks on power ??? yet came couple pounds shy in harvest for the difference your going to go out of business
Everyone is screaming about efficency , and with that less heat ,, bottom line with all lighting every god dam one of them your going to need exhaust
stick a 600 watt cob unit into a 4 x 4 tent and see what happens with out an exhaust
Anything electronic will produce heat .. end of story
I am curious ttytsk are you using Cob presently ??
whats the cost going to be to change out or do a room 15 x 20 ??? 300 Sq feet
12,000 watt Hid room
cost me 1800 bucks or 12,000 watts @ 2.5 - 3 pounds per 25 Sq foot or under 1 k
What's cob cost 10,000 or more ??? what about LED what would that come around to 20,000 to be compatible but make less yield , Probably ???? Remember environment , and strain, and nutrients dictates quality..
You have any links to some Cob tree grows or anyone pulling 3 pounds under 1 of them i mean tree grows
Everyone talks Efficiency and cost savings like there running some tight ship lol ,, or some corporation trying to shave costs Guess what most of the growers on this site or any other, Are hardy being consistent in there yields .. So WTF at the end of the day everyones goal is to grow there plant as fast as possible and get the biggest yields ..
We see it all the time the HID killer yet is it really the hid killer i mean we can scour the net and see LED and COB are growing and yielding but are they actually beating out HID and statistic's show that there behind in the yield end close but behind and that is comparing them to 400 watters god forbid you put them up againt THE REAL BAD AZZ 1200 WATT DE cause i guarntee you the DE will destroy a cob in growth rates and yield
but i really want to see comparison yields same strain same enviroment etc etc and put a end to this cob, led Hid killers
Cause if you think you did good saving 200 bucks on power ??? yet came couple pounds shy in harvest for the difference your going to go out of business
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Darth Vapour
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buy low and hope she goes high tech is a tricky market not a good one to go into