LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

mipainpatient

Active Member
I'm just gonna say this one last time. I've had leaves TOUCHING my coral waves, no problemo. Hope all is well for everyone. Remember, yield has as much to do with root ball size as light quality, (poor quality light can actually increase yield while decreasing [cannabinoids]/gram)
peace,
MPP
 

pedro420

Active Member
I'm just gonna say this one last time. I've had leaves TOUCHING my coral waves, no problemo. Hope all is well for everyone. Remember, yield has as much to do with root ball size as light quality, (poor quality light can actually increase yield while decreasing [cannabinoids]/gram)
peace,
MPP
I can side with this I have a lemon skunk that is a seedling and the first 1 thumb leaves so to speak are almost cradling the bulb and it is going strong it stretched a bit but when it got to the light it's stayed right under it
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
Wave point added the spectrum chart for the ultra growth cola to the page with the rest of te charts. Still says coming soon. Just a matter of time.....
 

pr0fesseur

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Hello from Deutchland!
I am currently working in germany and will be in Amsterdam tomorrow! I know your all jealous...
if anyone reading this is my area let me know id like to meet up @ a coffeeshop! Drinks and smoke on me :)
Everyone else thanks for your support! And thanks to those supporting my forum please keep it up!
About yield vs light indeed 600 w vs 432 will take off.. that's a no brainer. what's the THC content? I will be on the lookout for a lab that will take accurate measurements. also I will be officially starting a new grow upon my return please be on the lookout. I will be sourcing my seeds tomorrow. Hoping to find a Motherstrain that will give great results.. I may be going to a purer f1 strain or even rocking it oldschool and going WW any suggestions?
I anticipate a grow of 2 strains under 1000w of T5 and UV with mutes maybe heisi I buy and ship home ;)
Let's hear some suggestion to put this to bed! Remember t5 needs extra flower time and short plants to penetrate.. and test I keep my lights as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.. inverse square law and all ;)
See you all soon and once again I thank everyone here
 

richinweed

Active Member
i believe that the colored t-5 bulbes have a painted coating on the inside of the glass tube...it filters out all the other light ....the other bulbes have all the same light just with the added bonus of not filtering out all the other light ...so talking wasted lumens...if 80 percent of the light intencity /spectrum and lumens are trapped in the bulb ..thats a sheer waste of power and potential spectrum....its like putting a red seethru film OVER your bulb...u will get decreased spectrum and so on....good plan but you will do the same with the regular t-5 bulbes and only need about two thirds the consumption.
 

tehshyt

Member
i believe that the colored t-5 bulbes have a painted coating on the inside of the glass tube...it filters out all the other light ....the other bulbes have all the same light just with the added bonus of not filtering out all the other light ...so talking wasted lumens...if 80 percent of the light intencity /spectrum and lumens are trapped in the bulb ..thats a sheer waste of power and potential spectrum....its like putting a red seethru film OVER your bulb...u will get decreased spectrum and so on....good plan but you will do the same with the regular t-5 bulbes and only need about two thirds the consumption.
Who was talking about using color painted bulbs?
I'm assuming you realize that the reason the bulbs in this forum are distinctive colors has to do with the radiation emitted by the charged elements inside of them and not 'painted glass'
 

Undercover Cop

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i believe that the colored t-5 bulbes have a painted coating on the inside of the glass tube...it filters out all the other light ....the other bulbes have all the same light just with the added bonus of not filtering out all the other light ...so talking wasted lumens...if 80 percent of the light intencity /spectrum and lumens are trapped in the bulb ..thats a sheer waste of power and potential spectrum....its like putting a red seethru film OVER your bulb...u will get decreased spectrum and so on....good plan but you will do the same with the regular t-5 bulbes and only need about two thirds the consumption.
someone needs to do a little research before posting...
Its true that the colored cfl's that are $2 wont work for growing = Party bulbs dont grow and grow bulbs dont party... the colors you see from OUR "colored" bulbs are created the exact same way that your white or orange grow/bloom bulbs emit light. It all has to do with the phosphor coating on the inside of the glass. At heart ALL fluoro tubes are harmful UVC tubes... the UVC light created when the gasses inside are excited hits the unique phosphor coatings on the inside of the tubes and is then converted to the visible light we see. The light we see is the product of the phosphor coatings inside the tubes, and all fluoros have them the same (no one here is using any kind of cheap bulb or bulbs with colored plastic sleeves to tint the light)
regular t5 bulbs may use less wattage, but T8's use even less... you're not even getting half the photonic energy output though

Your theory makes sense when applied to "party bulbs" because, yes, THEY ARE coated... but for $20 a tube, we'd all be pretty stupid if we're just buying party bulbs. You obviously havent seen any pics of T5 buds yet have you?
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I argued your point on this thread... https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-fluorescent-lighting/478975-coloured-fluorescent-lights-their-viability.html this was some guy who wanted to use the party bulbs to grow, there are alot of idiots that thought is was a good idea (and lots of idiots who thought you cant grow with PAR specific bulbs also)
 

richinweed

Active Member
totally correct,,the phosphors(sp) allow the visible light ...dependant on them is the visible light ...so a full spectrum bulb contains the same light as a red bulb....just the red is narrowed down..... no one here uses anything cheap...ive bieng doin this 30 years plus.....i have tried the colored bulbs , there is lots to be said for uvb bulbs....but it seems to me that there is no difference in one or the other as far as veg..altho reasearch is saying uvb(invisible spectrum) is showing potential.....i never bud under anything but hid lamps...anyway jus sayin from years of experements and modifications.OBTW....IVE BEEN GROWING PROB LONGER THAN U HAVE BEEN ALIVE ...bOY...SO CALLIN ME AN IDIOT IS VERY BRAVE bOY
 

falcon223

Active Member
Wow painted bulbs. I could have saved a fortune. richinweed, you must be close to my age. Are you a Viet Nam Vet?

I am so old I fart dust.

I got the hydro farm fixture, and it is well made, and a bit heavy. 4 foot 8 tube. I am happy with it so far. Wish I could get another one.
 

Undercover Cop

Active Member
totally correct,,the phosphors(sp) allow the visible light ...dependant on them is the visible light ...so a full spectrum bulb contains the same light as a red bulb....just the red is narrowed down..... no one here uses anything cheap...ive bieng doin this 30 years plus.....i have tried the colored bulbs , there is lots to be said for uvb bulbs....but it seems to me that there is no difference in one or the other as far as veg..altho reasearch is saying uvb(invisible spectrum) is showing potential.....i never bud under anything but hid lamps...anyway jus sayin from years of experements and modifications.OBTW....IVE BEEN GROWING PROB LONGER THAN U HAVE BEEN ALIVE ...bOY...SO CALLIN ME AN IDIOT IS VERY BRAVE bOY
lol I am a very brave boy, who was calling those who thought you COULD grow with party bulbs the idiots. chill old man. I respect your experience with HID's, but the point of the thread (had you read a few pages) was to test the theory and prove that you could indeed grow using PAR specific bulbs to create a spectrum that would compete watt for watt with HID's... which through the last 2k posts, has been proven several times over. We're to the point of perfecting it now, its already been proven (Here and elsewhere)

Your 30 years experience could make you an expert in your methodology, but your first post here where you stated
i believe that the colored t-5 bulbes have a painted coating on the inside of the glass tube...it filters out all the other light.... ... ...its like putting a red seethru film OVER your bulb...u will get decreased spectrum and so on....good plan but you will do the same with the regular t-5 bulbes and only need about two thirds the consumption.
just shows that you dont really understand how fluorescent tubes work, let alone "colored" tubes which are the exact same in all except the composition of the phosphor coating inside the glass. Your description describes the cheap party bulbs that are painted and do filter out all but the desired color. These are a whole different story, completely different from spectrum specific tubes, which again are the same as the plain white or orange tubes or cfl's you prefer. To each his own, maybe I could have responded a little more delicately at first, but it gets old when we get die hard HID fans that come here to hate on a method that has been proven and is working for the majority here. It happens pretty regularly, just remember that the purpose of this thread was to test and perfect a method that was widely thought to be impossible. I still have a book by Cervantes where he says you cannot grow using aquarium bulbs. No you cant do with the traditional all blue aquarium actinics, but with the right blend you certainly can outperform HID watt for watt........ (and again performance is all relative, for a cash cropper yield may be your goal where HID may edge out T5, but for a medicinal grower (this IS a medicinal grower's community website) potency and quality are usually preferred, and so far T5's are showing to give better results there)

i never bud under anything but hid lamps
ok, give it a try for yourself then let us know how it compares :)
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
Hello from Deutchland!
I am currently working in germany and will be in Amsterdam tomorrow! I know your all jealous...
if anyone reading this is my area let me know id like to meet up @ a coffeeshop! Drinks and smoke on me :)
Everyone else thanks for your support! And thanks to those supporting my forum please keep it up!
About yield vs light indeed 600 w vs 432 will take off.. that's a no brainer. what's the THC content? I will be on the lookout for a lab that will take accurate measurements. also I will be officially starting a new grow upon my return please be on the lookout. I will be sourcing my seeds tomorrow. Hoping to find a Motherstrain that will give great results.. I may be going to a purer f1 strain or even rocking it oldschool and going WW any suggestions?
I anticipate a grow of 2 strains under 1000w of T5 and UV with mutes maybe heisi I buy and ship home ;)
Let's hear some suggestion to put this to bed! Remember t5 needs extra flower time and short plants to penetrate.. and test I keep my lights as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.. inverse square law and all ;)
See you all soon and once again I thank everyone here


Anything from soma seeds. dutch passion has a great master kush which im doing now. its my fav of all my strains. that one is mostly inica which would probably be better for sog
 

Calrt

Member
T5's are not going to penetrate to the same degree that HPS would. I didn't get my yield up until I was running 864W of T5 and then LST/Scrogging. I also keep my T5's 12-18 inches away to help light penetration.
Mine are always 2-4"

how much CO2 are you running in the tents? keep it at 1500 under the T5's and they should take off.
No Co2 here but I have monitored it, it is around 350

About yield vs light indeed 600 w vs 432 will take off.. that's a no brainer. what's the THC content? I will be on the lookout for a lab that will take accurate measurements.
If I could have a place do it for a decent price I would! Help find a place, I am in Ca so there should be some places local....I am dying to try it myself!

No canopy control here, this is my first grow and I wanted to get my feet wet first. My gut feeling it HPS with something like a FloraSun on each side to add to the spectrum would be a cool combo. I only run about 30% less airflow in the T5 tent, makes sense, I have 30% less watts being used. Watts=energy=heat
 
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