LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

Beagle · Apr 5, 2012

kpmarine said:
But proportionately, the two bulbs you listed to use in your setup are both blue dominant. Seems awesome for supplementary light, but personally I'd try to make it more red heavy. It seems you'd be predominantly blue light with just those bulbs (Just based on the relative spikes at least.). As for the redsun problems, I think it stems from people fiddling with their bulbs before letting them cool properly. I haven't had problems with mine, they all fired up, and no endcap issues.

Find me a bulb that hits nothing but 630-670(that peaks around 660nm) with an IR spike and I'll be all over it like shit on a diaper!

kpmarine · Apr 5, 2012

I sill see them for sale. Though they may just be old. I bought mine back in Feb., so haven't really looked into them aside from a quick search on google shopping just now.

kpmarine · Apr 5, 2012

Beagle said:
Find me a bulb that hits nothing but 630-670(that peaks around 660nm) with an IR spike and I'll be all over it like shit on a diaper!

Good luck with that haha. I'm just saying that 2 red suns would give you a nice 630 spike, and help your R/B balance favor the red quite a bit more. They are a bit pricey though, so on a budget they probably aren't the best choice.

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

They have never been called redlife. They are redsun. I dont know where people got that. They stil make them. Aquarium specialty stopped to carry them because they got to many returns on them. All the other shops still carry them. AS was the only place that had bad ones. Me and one of my friends got ours from hellolights andvthey have been going strong for 10 months. And I recently got 7 more of them too. HL had a march madness sale. I got the redsuns for $14 each. Their mh and icecap.bulbs were 2 for 1 . They will probably have an easter sale too.

AltarNation · Apr 5, 2012

hyroot said:
They have never been called redlife. They are redsun. I dont know where people got that. They stil make them. Aquarium specialty stopped to carry them because they got to many returns on them. All the other shops still carry them. AS was the only place that had bad ones. Me and one of my friends got ours from hellolights andvthey have been going strong for 10 months. And I recently got 7 more of them too.

eh.. Kelly at Aquarium Specialty said they replaced them with red lifes... I think I even have one that says red life on it... and I tried to purchase through a couple other vendors and they were out of stock around the same time, and having trouble getting more in stock. :shrug: Maybe I'll look up hellolights when I need some more tho..

AltarNation · Apr 5, 2012

Beagle said:
To get back to the subject...

I'm making progress on building my stacked t5 cabinet system. I'm going to use the standard 6500k bulbs for veg...I know I'll get chewed out for that

For flower I was thinking FloraSuns and CoralWaves in this config:
FS-FS-CW-FS-FS-CW-FS-FS. Substitute FloraSuns for whatever equivalent ...Ultra Growth wave, Gro-Lux...ect.
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That sounds like a good flowering line up... couldn't hurt to work in a couple red-exclusive bulbs though, just to shift the overall spectrum farther red...

48martin · Apr 5, 2012

It would be great to have a collection of bulb SPD's, that are tested with the same parameters.

What type of equipment is used to create an SPD?

AltarNation · Apr 5, 2012

Beagle said:
Shrooms are nothing to joke about, I've had some overly intense not believing I was real trips on shrooms. As far as toxicity is concerned, they're safe.

I was speaking of the toxicity, yes. Obviously no psychedelic should be taken lightly...

kpmarine · Apr 5, 2012

48martin said:
It would be great to have a collection of bulb SPD's, that are tested with the same parameters.

What type of equipment is used to create an SPD?

A spectrogram is what the device is called I believe.

polyarcturus · Apr 5, 2012

and why not a reptile bulb, do atinic bulbs hit that low? i would make your set up more red dom like everyone say why not coralife colormax?.http://www.petmountain.com/product/aquarium-t5ho-bulbs/11442-522697/coralife-high-output-t5-colormax-lamp.html

pedro420 · Apr 5, 2012

So I've been looking for some where to get red suns from and nowhere has them is there somewhere I can get them that nebody knows of or should I just place a back order with hellolights

48martin · Apr 5, 2012

kpmarine said:
A spectrogram is what the device is called I believe.

I wonder if you could rent one? It would be nice to be able to find out where your bulb configuration sits in real time.

keamy · Apr 5, 2012

how do you think of 660 and 630 or 440 and 430?

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

pedro420 said:
So I've been looking for some where to get red suns from and nowhere has them is there somewhere I can get them that nebody knows of or should I just place a back order with hellolights

Marine depot has them in stock. If you buy 6 bulbs you get free shipping.

Hellolights is a very small store. But Dan is a cool guy though. Sometimes he would say he has.something in stock and did not. He had the fijis sent to me straight from the manufacturer. Did not charge me for shipping amd he replaced my ati and I didnt have to give him the non working one and didnt charge shipping there either. I triedbto go there to swap them. he told me to save my gas. Anyway thats why I like that store. Cool people, great service. The have sales alll the time.

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

48martin said:
I wonder if you could rent one? It would be nice to be able to find out where your bulb configuration sits in real time.

Spectrogram is the software that makes the color charts. Radio spectrometer is what you read the bulbs with. Its $250 a day to rent or $5,000 and up to buy one.

We went through this with blue b who said they had one at his school and came up with what he thought was a fiji chart which turned out to be fake. Blue b disappeared

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

UC did you see the link I posted on 338 for the sylvania gro lux?

pedro420 · Apr 5, 2012

hyroot said:
Marine depot has them in stock. If you buy 6 bulbs you get free shipping.

Hellolights is a very small store. But Dan is a cool guy though. Sometimes he would say he has.something in stock and did not. He had the fijis sent to me straight from the manufacturer. Did not charge me for shipping amd he replaced my ati and I didnt have to give him the non working one and didnt charge shipping there either. I triedbto go there to swap them. he told me to save my gas. Anyway thats why I like that store. Cool people, great service. The have sales alll the time.

I looked on there site and all I could find was the vho I want the ho I don't think that I can use a vho in my fixture well I could just don't think it would run rite

48martin · Apr 5, 2012

Thanks hyroot. where would you be able to rent it from?

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

pedro420 said:
I looked on there site and all I could find was the vho I want the ho I don't think that I can use a vho in my fixture well I could just don't think it would run rite

http://www.marinedepot.com/UVL_T5_V_HO_Red_Sun_Bulb_633NM_VHO_Fluorescent_T5_Light_Bulbs-UV_Lighting_Company_(UVL)-UF5229-FILTBUT5VH-vi.html

hyroot · Apr 5, 2012

48martin said:
Thanks hyroot. where would you be able to rent it from?

I never rented one but I found a lot of places doing a google search. Some where in thisv thread someone posted links to a place.

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