LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

Fonzarelli

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Would love to compare spectrums with you sometime bro, if you feel like it feel free to pm me.

Snoogins
I have a few good resources for plasma lighting. It's an industrial lighting company, not a hydro company so the price point will be a lot lower since your are not paying for all the hype and advertising. Let me know if you want some links for the plasma lights. I think the most expensive one is around $400 for a 400w plasma.
 

jsamuel24

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I have a few good resources for plasma lighting. It's an industrial lighting company, not a hydro company so the price point will be a lot lower since your are not paying for all the hype and advertising. Let me know if you want some links for the plasma lights. I think the most expensive one is around $400 for a 400w plasma.
OMG yes! lol, my partner was talking about paying the insane prices for a 300w plasma from the hydro side, would love a 400w plasma instead of my second 1000w hps....
 

Fonzarelli

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OMG yes! lol, my partner was talking about paying the insane prices for a 300w plasma from the hydro side, would love a 400w plasma instead of my second 1000w hps....
Here are a couple different one's I was looking at. Check around the site, there are others. I was wrong about the price. It's $600 for a 300w. Sorry to get your hopes up. I think it's still cheaper than the hydro stores though.

http://www.electricalmarketplace.com/23-Square-Shoebox-with-with-IES-Type-V-Reflector-P2272C365.aspx

http://www.electricalmarketplace.com/23-Square-Shoebox-with-with-Wide-Angle-Reflector-P2274.aspx
 

Fonzarelli

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Here are a few other sites. Just type in induction 300w in google and you will come up with a lot of hits. Are they really worth all the hype though? Have you had any personal experience with them? I've never seen one in action so I have no idea if they work for budding.

http://www.neptunlight.com/products/4/1/induction-lighting.html?gclid=CO-aprXht7ECFYao4AodcE8A5w

Here's a 400w:

http://www.everlastlight.com/index.php/indoor-lighting/huron-aluminum-high-bay-300w-400w

Another 300w:

http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/product_detail/17/300w-induction-high-bay-light

Cheaper source:

http://inductiongrowlighting.com/

500w:

http://www.shineretrofits.com/neptun-light-32500-dim-500-watt-500w-step-dimming-100-50-high-bay-induction-fixture-32-reflector-10-year-warranty.html
 

jsamuel24

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Here are a couple different one's I was looking at. Check around the site, there are others. I was wrong about the price. It's $600 for a 300w. Sorry to get your hopes up. I think it's still cheaper than the hydro stores though.

http://www.electricalmarketplace.com/23-Square-Shoebox-with-with-IES-Type-V-Reflector-P2272C365.aspx

http://www.electricalmarketplace.com/23-Square-Shoebox-with-with-Wide-Angle-Reflector-P2274.aspx

Thanks brother, I hadnt started pricing them out yet as I was gonna wait about 18 months, and stay with 2000w of hps, but this may change the plans a bit. Gonna have to think it over. +1 rep for the assist and thanks!
 

novice11

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Keep us updated with photos on how that lamp mixture is doing for your plants. So far I haven't seen anyone with that much red in their fixture despite my recommendations. It should be a solid spectrum for budding.
I'm about a week or so away from harvest. The 660s will only have been in 3-4 weeks by then, not sure if that will have been enough time to prove anything.

Also - 2 of my plants were White Widows from Dinafem. Even after a 6 (SIX!!) week veg one is 4 1/2" tall the other is 6". The Diesel is a foot and the Silver Haze well over that, I had to bend that one over.


These WWs have been tiny. I originally had 5 seeds, the other 2 also were very small. I still have a seed and I may not even use it. This batch of WW seeds were all super short. I won't be buying any of those again!

Mr. Fonz - I will be contacting you after these plants are harvested. I will want to know your thoughts on what exact bulbs - of the ones I have on hand - to use for the veg stage, if that's alright with you.
 

Fonzarelli

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I will want to know your thoughts on what exact bulbs - of the ones I have on hand - to use for the veg stage, if that's alright with you.
Veg is my area of expertise when it comes to T5's. {{ For my blue loving Sativas}} I'm using 2 of the 660nm UVL, 1 TrueLumen 460nm, 1 UVL 75/25 for the deep blue(I question if the deep blue is even beneficial anymore.) I've also had really nice growth with a Flora Sun in place of the 75/25.

For my Indicas I'm using a 8-lamp 2 foot fixture that has 4 florasun, 2 redsun, 2 super actinic.(I also use ati blue plus in place of the super actinic for a "bluer" effect.)

May be different for you depending on strain you have. Try either one and go with the one they like best. All the plants really like the 660nm UVL's, just mix at a ratio that still gives you enough blue and red. Start with 1:1 blue/red and move your way red until the plants respond the best. Most of the lamps we use already have most of the key peaks in the Tri-band phosphors so there is little to worry about.
 

kpmarine

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Veg is my area of expertise when it comes to T5's. {{ For my blue loving Sativas}} I'm using 2 of the 660nm UVL, 1 TrueLumen 460nm, 1 UVL 75/25 for the deep blue(I question if the deep blue is even beneficial anymore.) I've also had really nice growth with a Flora Sun in place of the 75/25.

For my Indicas I'm using a 8-lamp 2 foot fixture that has 4 florasun, 2 redsun, 2 super actinic.(I also use ati blue plus in place of the super actinic for a "bluer" effect.)

May be different for you depending on strain you have. Try either one and go with the one they like best. All the plants really like the 660nm UVL's, just mix at a ratio that still gives you enough blue and red. Start with 1:1 blue/red and move your way red until the plants respond the best. Most of the lamps we use already have most of the key peaks in the Tri-band phosphors so there is little to worry about.
How goes progress towards this epic veg growth you were working towards? Any progress pics yet? Or have you not gotten into playing with that yet?
 

Kite High

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hyroot

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Uhh no shit its old tech. It was invented by Nikola Tesla in 1886. Its the oldest tech around that is still used. Its works better and more efficient than hid.
 

Fonzarelli

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How goes progress towards this epic veg growth you were working towards? Any progress pics yet? Or have you not gotten into playing with that yet?
Yeah, I've already flipped to 12/12 after a week of veg growth. Everything did really well under that mixture. Now I have new plants under them. I can do a before and after if you want to see how well it works?
 

Cbm7

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Yeah, I've already flipped to 12/12 after a week of veg growth. Everything did really well under that mixture. Now I have new plants under them. I can do a before and after if you want to see how well it works?

Any pictures will do.

okaythanks
 

Kite High

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Uhh no shit its old tech. It was invented by Nikola Tesla in 1886. Its the oldest tech around that is still used. Its works better and more efficient than hid.
sorry but that is surely inaccurate...produces no where's near the micomoles (energy photon content measurement) ...but you can believe the hype if it makes you happy
 

hyroot

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thats just a unit of measurmement which is irrelevant like lumens. if you compare actual spectrums. plasma actually follows chorophyll a and b and c unlike hid. when it comes to light its about spectrum. now the blue region has the most photons. the plasma has way way higher and wider spikes of blue than hid does, there fore it has more energy. so there you are very wrong. continue to hate all you want...:clap: led even has more photons than hid. plasma surpasses led. unfortunately plasma is not in high demand. once it is the price will drop.
 

Fonzarelli

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Regarding plasma/induction lighting. I bet a 300w plasma combined with 4 or so UVL 660nm T5's would be a dope ass combo making for some dope ass growth. Someone should try this idea and then give me millions after they find out it rocks the ship right out of the water, what a great idea. clap clap clap
 

Kite High

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thats just a unit of measurmement which is irrelevant like lumens. if you compare actual spectrums. plasma actually follows chorophyll a and b and c unlike hid. when it comes to light its about spectrum. now the blue region has the most photons. the plasma has way way higher and wider spikes of blue than hid does, there fore it has more energy. so there you are very wrong. continue to hate all you want...:clap: led even has more photons than hid. plasma surpasses led. unfortunately plasma is not in high demand. once it is the price will drop.
Otay buckwheat. No longer wasting my time here. You all have a great existence.
 

PetFlora

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Regarding plasma/induction lighting. I bet a 300w plasma combined with 4 or so UVL 660nm T5's would be a dope ass combo making for some dope ass growth. Someone should try this idea and then give me millions after they find out it rocks the ship right out of the water, what a great idea. clap clap clap

I have seen one that has something like 4 arms. Each arm as a different spectrum bulb (not sure whether 660 is available) + it slow rotates like a fan. Last time I check it was $$$$$$$$$
 

Fonzarelli

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I have seen one that has something like 4 arms. Each arm as a different spectrum bulb (not sure whether 660 is available) + it slow rotates like a fan. Last time I check it was $$$$$$$$$
Hahaha, yeah that's the Sunpulse thingy. It's the biggest joke waste of money scam there ever was. Sunpulse MH lamps are nothing special, unless you think the fancy box that they put the lamp in worth the $160 they charge for a basic MH lamp.

The different K ratings on a Sunpulse MH vary because of the different amount of yellow they have in the lamps. MH do not have any red beyond 600nm, that's why buds are always smaller under them.

Don't get me wrong, I use a Sunpulse 3k MH for budding only because I like the quality of the buds under MH and it's the only MH I knew of at the time of purchase that works with a digi ballast. I've been experimenting with some new brands of MH recently however.

The owner of Sunpulse is a jerk. The lamps are made in China and have extreme quality control issues. I've had to replace 3 of the lamps under warranty in the last year. The nice thing about them is the 2 year warranty however. I'm sure they can offer a 2 year warranty because of the unGodly prices they slap on them. I'm sure the markup on those fuckers has to be around 6000%.

I don't get the whole idea behind using 4 lamps that have different K ratings and are ALL the same kind of MH lamp. So, are they trying to tell us that adding more yellow and blue in varying amounts is going to create better growth? LOL Muahahahah. Buy 4 lamps to do the job that one does. That's what they want.

Ever notice that Sunpulse does NOT put the SPD graph on their packaging with all the fancy flowers and other hype on the packaging? Yeah, it's because they don't want the customers to see that the MH is nothing more than a basic MH. Once I get my spectrometer I will take a reading of a Sunpulse lamp so everyone can see what nonsense they are.

The glass is paper thin, the element inside turns to char and burns off leaving crap floating around inside the tube.

Yeah I use the 3k Sunpulse BUT NOT FOR LONG. It takes a long time for the plants to adapt to the shitty light spectrum they give off, but when they finally do, the buds turn out really nice. It's not like any other MH wouldn't work. There are a few other companies that make digi MH now.

There are also a few companies in the aquarium industry that have been making GERMAN MH for a long time and can be used nicely in digi ballasts. They don't even flicker on startup like pretty much all of the hydro store lamps do. There's always digilux. Pretty much the same thing as Sunpulse at 1/3 the cost. Same shitty design though.

I gotta stop. I could go on forever complaining about this shit. Grow stores are a big hyped up advertisement scam that calls you at home on a Sunday when you are just getting ready to eat dinner, or go to bed.
 

hyroot

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Ive seen 1000 w sun puls bulbs blister. I agree they are poorly made. The abnoxiousness of that company. They are nobody. Well knowns like the owners of seed companies and writers and editors of high times and what not are so humble. Those guys are famous.

For mh. The hortilux blue rocks. You can flowere all the way through with that. Unfortunatley the bulb costs around $200.
 
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