Legalizing pot: What to watch for in today's long-awaited bill

TwistedToker

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Canada is about to do something very few countries in the world have tried: make recreational pot legal.

Today, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government will reveal precisely what it thinks legalization should look like, and there are a ton of fascinating and important questions that need to be answered.

First, let's start with what we already know.

CBC News has reported that the federal government will set a minimum age of 18 to buy marijuana, but will give provinces and territories the option to set the age higher. Where it will be sold and how much it will cost will also be up to the provinces to decide. The federal government will license producers and ensure the safety of the supply.

CBC News has also reported that the personal possession limit will be 30 grams. Households will be allowed to grow up to four plants. There will be restrictions around how cannabis products are marketed and the government will use roadside saliva tests to determine if drivers are impaired.

According to CBC News sources, the goal is to make legalization a reality across the country before July 1, 2018.

But before that happens there are still lots of questions to answer.

Legal pot is a big deal for a couple of reasons. On the one hand, a sin or excise tax could mean more revenue for the government, which Trudeau has suggested be funnelled back into addiction services and public education. But charge too much, and you wind up with a problem.

As the parliamentary budget watchdog pointed out in its analysis of the fiscal considerations when legalizing pot, if tax is too high, buyers will stick with the black market. The PBO analysis points out that when Colorado legalized pot in 2014, it charged a combined tax rate of nearly 30 per cent. About half of consumers stayed in the illegal market.

And if there is a sin tax, how might it be applied? That same PBO report notes that one option would be to apply it by weight or even based on potency (i.e. THC levels).

What about chocolate bars and gummy bears?
This isn't just a cute question. There are potentially serious public health implications. The chair of the government's cannabis task force, Anne McLellan, said that her group learned some important lessons about edibles from Colorado's experience.

She said at first the state didn't require chocolate bars containing marijuana to be scored into individual pieces. Some people would eat the whole bar in one sitting and wind up in the emergency room, McLellan said.

The concerns are even more serious when it comes to children, who could mistake some edibles, like gummy bears and lollipops, for candy. Children's Hospital Colorado has a warning on its website that the drug can have a stronger and more prolonged effect on kids. Many require hospitalizations.

The federal task force recommended the government ban any cannabis products that could be "appealing to children," based on the products themselves or their packaging.

Where can you smoke it?
What sort of restrictions will the government put in place around where marijuana can be consumed? Should it be subject to the same restrictions as cigarettes? Or perhaps alcohol?

The task force recommended that the restrictions around tobacco products should be extended to cannabis, and that jurisdictions should have Ottawa's blessing to set up cannabis lounges and tasting rooms.

What counts as stoned?
Police enforcement against drugged driving will be tricky. The federal government has been running pilot projects on different saliva tests that can be administered roadside to determine if a driver is under the influence. But the question is not entirely clear-cut.

"Whereas evidence was gathered over many years to arrive at an established metric for alcohol intoxication — blood alcohol concentration (BAC) — these types of data do not exist for cannabis," the cannabis task force report notes.

For some regular users, THC can remain in the brain and body for prolonged periods of time. But does that mean a driver is impaired?

The Liberals have promised harsher penalties for drug-impaired drivers.

"We are confident we will have an arrangement in place that will meet the public interest," Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale told reporters in Ottawa earlier this week.

What about pot tourism?
Trudeau has said he is legalizing marijuana in order to keep it away from kids and to cut profits to organized crime, but obviously, legalizing pot will have plenty of other consequences.

What about Americans who want to come up for the weekend to check out Canada's beautiful wildlife and legalized marijuana?

The federal government may be happy to embrace the potential financial windfall that would come with marijuana tourism. Officials could also try to repress it (or cash in further), by charging an added tax to tourists.

The marijuana task force also recommended that tourists be informed of their rights and obligations, including not taking drugs across international borders.

Can it be done in time?
Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard said on Wednesday that proposing legislation is the easy part. The hard part, he said, is the work the provinces will still have to do — including on issues like distribution, marketing and road safety.

Couillard said expecting that work to be done by the summer of 2018 is "very fast" for such a complex subject.

Even medical marijuana companies that are anxious to start selling to recreation buyers aren't sure the system will be ready in time.

"I don't think anyone should be expecting to buy recreational marijuana on Day 1," at least by going into a federally sanctioned store front, said Sébastien St. Louis, co-founder of Hydropothecary, a Quebec-based licensed producer of medical marijuana.

"By the time we get around to knowing exactly how the provinces want to move forward it will probably take a bit longer than July 2018."

(For the sake of full disclosure, it's worth noting that one member of Hydropothecary's board has held leadership roles in the federal Liberal Party.)

Still, St. Louis said that even if the bricks and mortar facilities aren't ready, licensed producers will be ready to sell through a direct mail system right off the bat.
 

Lightgreen2k

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This does not seeem good the people that are planning the Legal /Recreational market.

I mean would you have Adolf Hilter making rules for victims of the Holocaust after he was heading it.

Same for Marijuana Legalization.. How are you going to have the Former cheif of police heading the new system.. William Sterling "Bill" Blair, ?

Meh but what do I know.
 

WHATFG

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Which drug impaired drivers are going to suffer harsher penalties? Is it mom driving the kids to school on Valium....or maybe grandma on morphine....nooooo.....just the cannabis users, because all that other shit isn't as bad or as dangerous for people right?...and why aren't we legalizing Valium for recreational use? ....I can think of a few people who should be using it.
 

Tangerine_

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Meh, impaired is impaired. Makes no difference what the substance is. The problem lies with accurate testing for recent use.

I've seen plenty arrested for operating under the influence of benzos/opioids regardless of what they drove or who the were.
 

torontomeds

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Which drug impaired drivers are going to suffer harsher penalties? Is it mom driving the kids to school on Valium....or maybe grandma on morphine....nooooo.....just the cannabis users, because all that other shit isn't as bad or as dangerous for people right?...and why aren't we legalizing Valium for recreational use? ....I can think of a few people who should be using it.
Not only that but you can smell weed, you can not really smell pills, lol so every time someone smells like weed they are going to give you a super hard time......
Funny thing is, at least 5 times in my life I have been caught driving and smoking, 2 of the times I drove right into a ride program with lit joints and both times the officers were like " Is that weed your smoking?" I was like "Yeah" they were like "Put that shit out man, smoke it at home" and that was literally it, in the second incident he did not even make me put out my joint, just told me go home......
One other time I was puffing a phatty in my car with a buddy and the officer pulled up next to me and as i exhailed I could see the smoke go right out my window (I was the driver) and into the passenger window and right under his nose and out his window, he looked over at me and was like "WTF" I laughed he just shook his head in a no no no motion and smiled then drove off.......
Another time I got stopped and had 2 big phattys burning and the cop was like "What are you a hippie?" I was like no I am a rasta,lol... he just laughed took my joints and let us go.
 

gb123

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Not only that but you can smell weed, you can not really smell pills, lol so every time someone smells like weed they are going to give you a super hard time......
Funny thing is, at least 5 times in my life I have been caught driving and smoking, 2 of the times I drove right into a ride program with lit joints and both times the officers were like " Is that weed your smoking?" I was like "Yeah" they were like "Put that shit out man, smoke it at home" and that was literally it, in the second incident he did not even make me put out my joint, just told me go home......
One other time I was puffing a phatty in my car with a buddy and the officer pulled up next to me and as i exhailed I could see the smoke go right out my window (I was the driver) and into the passenger window and right under his nose and out his window, he looked over at me and was like "WTF" I laughed he just shook his head in a no no no motion and smiled then drove off.......
Another time I got stopped and had 2 big phattys burning and the cop was like "What are you a hippie?" I was like no I am a rasta,lol... he just laughed took my joints and let us go.
caught and let off 5 times... (:
that's awesome.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Lots of dancing around questions so far. Looks like if a province isnt ready to go on legalization youll have to buy from LPs

Looks like under the new laws pedos do less time then a person caught trafficking which now has 2 charges

WTF the chair claims all current LPS are actually small businesses, due to staff size. What a fucking lie. So in their words Canopy is mom n pop
 
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CannaReview

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Any mention of Budding Vs Veg plants? Someone stated they only said 4 budding/flowering plants but no mention of veg/clones. Unlimited in veg and 4 in flower could be good. Sell vegged plants for $40 each.
 

whitebb2727

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Meh, impaired is impaired. Makes no difference what the substance is. The problem lies with accurate testing for recent use.

I've seen plenty arrested for operating under the influence of benzos/opioids regardless of what they drove or who the were.
With cannabis its not so simple.

Studies show that new users can be quit impaired by the use of cannabis but regular users may have little to no impairment.

I agree with the accurate testing. They need to find some short lived metabolites to test for.
 
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