Lesson Learned - Don't Trust Everything You read

hopefullydonfail

hopefullydonfail

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I want to smack myself (and most likely will)

I read on someones grow thread that they use the Fox Farms nutes without Ph'ing the water. So I thought what the heck I'll give it a try. Well a few weeks into flowering my leaves were showing serious signs of the Ph being all out of whack in the soil. I'll be lucky if these plants recover. Might lose all 12 of my ladies =(

I mixed a mild dose of the nutes together and tested the Ph and it was in the 4's =O. Jesus christ.

Lesson learned. Do not even attempt growing without a Ph test kit and ph up/down.

<3
 
Clown Baby

Clown Baby

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If your pH is 4.0 when your nutes are mixed in, then you are either WAY overfeeding or have the most fucked up tapwater ever.

I never pH my water for soil. The tap comes out around 7, and with nutes mixed I'm in low 6's.
 
zack66

zack66

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My tap water runs 8.0 and I also never ph anything. If your soils good it should be okay.
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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These plants are PH specific. Probably the most important thing involved in the whole growing process. Especially for a hydro grower.
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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Yes ma'am.. or Mr. Drag. Whatever.. BTW unlucky, just had to teach someone what SoG and ScRoG stand for. Yep, knew you'd be proud lol

I never knew they had a name for techniques. I was just like, throw a screen over em and run it through, or run em in rotation lollypop style to maximize your 0 veg setup.
 
unlucky

unlucky

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Krondizzel said:
Yes ma'am.. or Mr. Drag. Whatever.. BTW unlucky, just had to teach someone what SoG and ScRoG stand for. Yep, knew you'd be proud lol

I never knew they had a name for techniques. I was just like, throw a screen over em and run it through, or run em in rotation lollypop style to maximize your 0 veg setup.
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&#8203;lol yes very proud your doing well, keep up the hard work ;-)
 
kryptoniteglo

kryptoniteglo

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So sorry -- I think everyone here who's saying you have to watch your ph and ppms like a hawk is 100% accurate. Anyone who tells the forum they have a shortcut that means people don't have to pay attention to these things either got really lucky in one situation and is about to learn the lesson you just did when he tries it again or he's bullshitting the forum to begin with.

Conversely, if you do watch those things you can be a total newbie like me and have great results.

Here are my two Jilybean plants, topped at 3.5 weeks, and now almost 2 weeks into flowering (I just ordered a taller tent, coming tomorrow):

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hopefullydonfail

hopefullydonfail

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Clown Baby said:
It sounds like your "normal" dose is too much. How much are you adding???

by the way i love your name ahhahaha
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By the fox farms feeding chart suppose to be adding

Big Bloom - 3 teaspoons
Tiger Blooms - 2 teaspoons

And yes I double checked that I'm using the teaspoon not table =p
 
Clown Baby

Clown Baby

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per gallon or per liter??? That still sounds kind of a heavy dosage. You might wanna follow a rule of thumb to only feed 1/4 to 1/2 what the manufacturer recommends. They want you to use more fertilizer, because that means more money for them.

But god damn, something still doesn't seem right about that.. I used foxfarm for my first three grows adding tigerbloom at 2tsp/gal every watering and never had problems. Sorry to hear about it.

Keep in mind with nutes that less is more.

Hope these recover and good luck on your next run. You learn something new every grow
 
willowpinnerblunt

willowpinnerblunt

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kinda scares me...I always use my tap water, and never did a ph test once living in the same house(well water)for 20+ years. Always use botanicare nutes for the past couple years at least and luckily never had a issue, but I think I will get myself a nice digital for a gift this harvest :weed:
 
hopefullydonfail

hopefullydonfail

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Clown Baby said:
per gallon or per liter??? That still sounds kind of a heavy dosage. You might wanna follow a rule of thumb to only feed 1/4 to 1/2 what the manufacturer recommends. They want you to use more fertilizer, because that means more money for them.

But god damn, something still doesn't seem right about that.. I used foxfarm for my first three grows adding tigerbloom at 2tsp/gal every watering and never had problems. Sorry to hear about it.

Keep in mind with nutes that less is more.

Hope these recover and good luck on your next run. You learn something new every grow
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Per Gallon.
 
blacksun

blacksun

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Just the other day, I saw two people on here saying they don't adjust the pH of their water, in hydro.

The terrible thing was that no one else called them out on it.

I tried to talk a little shit, maybe get them to think about what they were saying (and even doing! :(), but I didn't pursue it for long and just chalked it up to me being really really high (just made a bunch of hash because I had too much weed after harvest this round to even trim it all :D) and maybe I misread them.

Saw the thread again later, nope, they were serious.

I was stupi-baffled.
 
Relaxed

Relaxed

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Dont listen to anyone that does not ph and mine is for soil. Digital ph. after adding nuts. to 6.2-6.5 and they stay green as a home depot garden center in spring all the way thru. I use ph down only. Never use ph up and down as the same time. My water is normally around high 7s using ph down when needed and the trick if you dont know is to add more water to raise it if you over ph down. I only use sunleaves seabird guano 4wks to chop top dressing for simple super plants. organic...
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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I use fox farms I don't ph and it has worked for me for a long time. I think your over feeding. the feeding schedual fox farms gives is too heavy you ever here anyone say use nutes at half strength...... thats why. all you need to do is use half strength grow with half strngth tiger bloon and some half strength cal mag and you should be fine. but I guess you shouldn't listen to me because ive been gowing weed succesfully for many years without phing my water. when I grew hydro I did ph and ppm but soil never. I thnk you have a differnt problem. you tested your nute solutiion did you test your run off??? test your tap water pour it throuh the pot and test it again
 
SimonD

SimonD

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kryptoniteglo said:
So sorry -- I think everyone here who's saying you have to watch your ph and ppms like a hawk is 100% accurate. Anyone who tells the forum they have a shortcut that means people don't have to pay attention to these things either got really lucky in one situation and is about to learn the lesson you just did when he tries it again or he's bullshitting the forum to begin with.
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Heh, don't be so quick to judge, especially when you're just starting out. I've never measured pH, never, and just started noting ppms a couple of years ago almost solely out of curiosity. FWIW, I use Pro-Mix and Jack's Classic exclusively. Cultivation can be easy or complicated, depending on the grower. I prefer easy. You can see examples of my plants link'd in my sig. Good luck.

Simon
 
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