Let's make some top notch seeds!

OK I've decided to hang out here after bouncing around a few sites and realizing that they just aren't what CW used to be...not by a long shot.
But I'll try and call this place home,as I like to help people with growing
and especially making their own damned seeds...

You may be exposed to rants and see my disdain for ignorant people,shit stirrers and small dick syndrome types but other than that you may enjoy keeping up on the progress...

Feel free to ask any questions as we wind through this trail that will lead us to some beautiful specimens and a goal ...


To bring you up to speed we will be working with Joey Weed's strains as a building block,for a few of the projects.

These strains will include F1's from the following he has offered.
NL X C99
AK47 X C99
C99 X A11
NL
C99
The Cheese X Sweet Skunk F1's
Sweet Pink Grapefruit cut.


For starters I'll show you my 3 favorite breeding studs...
These are selected from my breeding with NL X C99.
Which many of you are aware I'm very fond of.

My current group of 7 clones of SPG about 14" vegged to perfection.
These stout gals will blow your mind by the way they create trichs
and fill in....but before that happens we're gonna give them a nice
lil dusting from the man studs above.

We also have some selected C99 dominant gals that I'll first show you in their earlier days and then progress up to their current beauty.


A is on top and B is below in the first pic.

Same Gals and the third,,about 20 days later.
Startin to lose that baby look and getting closer to
being ladies....

This is usually where most would flower the gals
but I'm stubborn.. I like full figured ladies..
Well except those beasts you see in sweats that are
about to Bulge at Walmart.....Yuck!!!!

Hey Cabron you are doing a great job on those plants. I know this is off subject but what size pot do you use for your final transplant I know its recommended here that 3 gallons is the ideal size to finish in but i want to go with 2 gallon pots is that enough room?? Trying to get the most useable space out of my cabinet as possible.

These are now what I call Ladies...they're lovin the new 4 gallon
pots are just what the gals needed to continue growth well into
fruition.

We don't bind roots around here.. Ever!

They have filled in naturally and have become bushes,I don't usually
top seedlings as I like to see what they are apt to do genetically
this is how you can aquire an eye for what you are looking for
when breeding.

Plenty time to mutilate your gals later if that's your gig!

super cropping Blah!!! just plain dumb! get the right genetics
to begin with and you won't have to try and convince yourself
that your lame ass lil tactics are working...Not likely!

Fatbud welcome my man! You're the first to enter my thread with a question,,,you can collect your prize at the door,,,,,good luck in finding it!!!


Maybe an answer would be best..

That is what the wise men would term subjective,,meaning it can be
right for some and wrong for others...this is dependant upon the strain
desired size if you are constrained as in your case,cuts verses seedlings.
media used....etc

I usually end up in 5 gallons or bigger when I go for big mommas and especially
with seedlings ,they just have that vigor that is a sprint from start to finish..

2 gallons is fine for most closets for sure,,,I'd have to ask what size are they
before you flower them? are they cuts(clones),,soil or media like hydroton with
trickle or ebb N flo system?

Make certain you know your strain first and how it responds to the lighting you
have,,less lumens means more stretch...I don't care for monsterous stretching
bitches...

The best thing is to allow at least 3" of free soil all around the root ball as you
enter the flowering period.
Your plants will tell you when it's time to repot,growth will halt and the leafs
will show signs of distress,not perked up and stout as they should be.

Don't be afraid to remove pot and take a look at the roots,,you should do this.

also if they are in soil and in smaller containers,squeeze that damned thing
(container) on all four sides to break up the soil and allow the air to get in.
Everytime you water you inevitabley collapse the media and lock out the
much needed air.

Do it daily, your plants will love you for it.

Waiting in the wings is the next round of Newly aquired Joey Gear
Ak47 X C99 F1's....I have 8 going and saved 2 seeds ,I usually
do all 10 but I know with Joeys gear the gals come in big numbers naturally.

I don't wanna have large numbers of plants at any given time so hundreds
are outta the question,but we will work with a decent amount of very fine
specimens..


I like these traits in my gals

dense
sweet
low stretch, nice branching on desired plants like C99
Big fat colas that are dank and the stems hold them
idiot proof,,meaning not finicky with ph and nutes
easily clones and vegges fast
great up highs and low lows when desired in a line
colas that are void of major trimming ( I hate leafy buds)



Here's the ak47 X C99 @ week 1 then week 2
oh yeah there's 1 runt but it's coming on quickly
she didn't wanna grow a root system until I coaxed
her with a good bit of vitamin B12 and some damp
paper cloth...

nice man, I look forward to following this thread

This is the only pic I have left from my original grow of the NL x C99 F1's
these are only 2 of the 7 gals I had outta 10 beans.

I placed these 2 together as they were the smallest yielders of the group but were
very chunky in nature,,with regards to their floral clusters,very sativa like and just
awesome,,they both smelled strongly of the pineapple that many refer to with the C99.

These are typical of what F2's will bring you when a cross is made from 2 stable lines,a nice split of the two P1 parental lines that you can ID...

here's some NL boys that I decided to keep around...

Just so nice ya can't kill em!

Here's 2 Beasts I grew outdoors back in 03 or 04 I can't remember,,,regardless I had Ol Fet send me some of his new cross with Bros Grimm genetics and these were a Green Giant X Apollo 11.....F1

I have made some beans from this gal,s sister which was hit with some of the JW
NLC99 pollen, I have 1 gal of this going currently she's growing quickly.
This #1 was about 30 days prior to chop and she yielded a whopping 2 lbs..dry...
pretty good smoke too! the gal on the left....


The #2 was a bit smaller and looked like a shrub from the nursery...

Here we have a Cut from the original F1 generation that was selected for mass,quick maturation (47 days) lemony flavor with an up happy as hell high,,,,x mas tree growth.
She's on the Left and her soon to be boyfriend from the F2 gen is with her,notice the resemblence in stature and leafs?

the next pic is her original momma, a revegged F1 she will be getting a massive dose of pollen this time around...there's a great story behind this gal and how I managed to keep her,I'll get to later..

Notice she's very bushy? she came back from a root ball and some tiny growth on the
pop corn buds at the very bottom....amazing...sat outside in the sun ,left for dead 3 weeks never died..

she's served well...now time to procreate a new gen...

Same F1 cut and a daughter to the left...she's an F2 .
Can you believe people try and sell the BS that F2's are bad?

Sure pussy can be bad also if it's attached to the wrong gal!
F2's are great if they were bred with care and proper parents
and lines to begin with.... guess you have to have an eye for
it,but hang around we'll get to that later...

Do you see the difference between the cut and this gal?
Cut's will rarely ever grow to resemble a seedling...

The F1 on the right looks different, no?


That's a GG X A11 X NLC99 she's quite the robust growing lil bitch...

Maybe by now you've noticed that my plants aren't some skinny lil bean poles
with a few sparce leafs,,I see this too many times on these forums..
I feel bad for these people and it's only compounded when idiots chime in
and say how great it looks....yeah like a narrow cat drenched in motor oil..

I'm not gonna do that,if something looks like shit and I feel there's a problem
I'm gonna say something,if your feelings get hurt ,I'm not sorry,after all it's a
plant not your wife,,,I will however do my best to help you overcome this obstacle
everybody should experience a successful grow of big thick buds of Dank proportions.

What do I grow with? I use it all soil,hydro,organics...ebb N flow,aero,dwc I've tried
them all and you may see me changing up at different times in this thread...
But for now,when I breed I use soil and a full spectrum of nutes and VB12..

We'll be using silver thiosulfate and colloidal silver to reverse some chosen gals
down the line when we select them,,I'll walk you through it at that time.
I guess you can say I'm responsible for the use of colloidal silver for feminised
seeds as I made the discovery back in 2005-06 on a Bubba Kush clone and then a
Blueberry clone,I proceeded to have some fellow members follow my directions
successfully before writing an article on CW how to do this...Yes I drink the shit
also......NOT the silver thiosulfate!!!!!!

great thread cabron.... I have a few questions for you. I have been playing around with some breeding for just a little while and have come up with some good results but they aren't always consistant. my main question is once you find a high quility mom is there any negative affects of back breeding that mom back into the genetics multiple times? like using a male from a batch of seeds produced by that mom and breeding it with a new clone of the mom. any info will be helpfull

F2 gems a brother and sister matched up according to similar growth and phenotype.
NL X C99 of course can you tell which P1 parents these resemble?

Locco

Hey Bro,first congrats on being smart enough to make your own seeds,you're light years ahead of the idiots who keep buying them,instead of taking pride in making their own....you are on the righteous path


what you have described is a classic approach of cubing, and if you find Soul's work with C99 to be great,as I and many today do,,,(it's one of the most sought after strains as we speak) then you can be assured that this is a easy way to stabilize a pheno.

you may get some variance in the first 2 generations and this is expected ,especially if the mother you have chosen is some poly hybrid and again compounded even further if the father you used to create the f1 gen is also a mut.

Then you will have your work cut out for you.


please do a search for soul's C99 princess story and you can save it to refer to...
This is what you are describing...and it's fine...even faster if you are feminising your
seeds after the original cross as the gals that exhibit the traits closest to the P1 momma you are trying to mimmick can lead you to the goal much quicker than guess
work with males.

Soul's c99 story can be found on google
try Bros Grimm C99 princess story to start.

nice read cabron !! i am also doing some breeding NL x PAPAYA. there is a link in my sig if you care to take a look. this cross i currently have in its first weeks of flower.

i am now doing a cross with the northern papaya x sativa (unknown strain) that is a heavy yielder. any tips or comments are welcome.

thanks for the info carbin I will definetly look up that c99 story... I dont really feel like making female seeds ATM as I use clones from my best girls in my main room and my breeding/experimental area has plenty of room to start normal seeds and weave out the weak ones. thx again on the info and I will follow this thread and wait for some more usefull info.