canndo
Well-Known Member
As usual I completely disagree with just about everything you wrote. Where are these numbers that you ran?
I read this part like 3 times to make sure I was reading it right: "I have run numbers that indicate that even allowing for the taxes that illegals pay, the contribution to the national work force and their being consumers - we would be better served to actually round up all illegals and deport them"
I also had to stop and read this part three times: "I am a liberal"
I then kind of read parts about bussing people off and I started hearing that sorta charlie brown sound in my head, you know, waa waa waa waa waaa
So forgive me for not being able to follow this post entirely.
I mean to call yourself a liberal I think you have to have this underlying belief that consumers in fact grow the economy, you seem to lack that, does not compute. Then skimming over the rest just now I see you are talking about strict laws and harsh punishments, where does that get us? The reward for them is too great no matter the risk of punishment.
IDK , I honeslty don't have a problem with immigration even illegal kind. I don't feel its an issue and I think its more than likely a good thing then a bad thing. I think its unfair that they have it better than us but I am happy for them and they do help us more than hurt us.
If I can find them I will post them, they are suppostions based upon the cost of due process and deportation born by the U.S. on a single non-felonious illegal detainee and the estimated costs associated with social services granted to illegals divided by 11 million, then the guesses about how much tax and contributions illegals contribute.
As I said I will try to look for them - am cleaning up a bunch of things on old backups and such and I expect it to be there.
Now, why did you have to stop at the other thing? you know my political and ideological bent, we have been around and around on other subjects.
I don't think that a liberal has to believe that consumerism drives the economy but that seems self evident. The supposed point of those who are unhappy with porous borders are the cost in social services, the cost in social supports and the cost in resources. If those costs exceed the contributions these people make to the country then it is unwise for them us to continue to allow them entry and it may be unwise to allow them to remain.
In short - they don't carry their weight. We can curtail the reward as I talked about in the parts where you went into Charlie brown "wa wa " land.