Lets talk cactus

SickSadLittleWorld

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I did a thorough search and didn't find anything related to cactus cultivation, so I figured this would be a good time to start a discussion about it.

I just set up a grow tent with a 600w hps and I have a bunch of extra room. I have been fascinated by large cactus for a long time and want to try growing one or a few with the space I've got. I really don't know much about cactus, so I'd really like some experts to chime in with some pointers to help this be successful. Also can you recommend the some tall cactus types that would be suitable for my situation? San Pedro seems to fit the bill and is hallucinogenic as a bonus. Any input?
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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Thanks a lot that was really helpful. I'll take a look at the website you posted. There looks to be some great information on there. My interest is more in growing it than using it for hallucinogenic purposes. I prefer to only smoke the ganj.
 

tebor

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San Pedro are easy to grow.
San Pedro are pretty tough and hardy.
you could probably grow outside.
Mine have survived cold and neglect.

there are several threads in the Hallucinatory substances section about San Pedro.

there are several varieties of mescaline containing columnar cacti.
Mostly in the trichocereus family
googling that word should yield a few options
Peruvian Torch is also a good option.

entheogen.com has a entire board dedicated to cacti cultivation.
also erowid.org has much info about these cacti

there are many online vendors and even ebay(but go with someone trusted like the one the poster above mentioned.)
 

valjean

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they like really sandy soil and a long dry period between watering.
i have a peruvian torch cactus in my home town, i have never fertilized it
or even watered it. but it obviously gets rain.
you might also be interested in prickley pear if you're not a fan of mescaline
it makes a fruit with velvety red flesh that sorta tastes like a watermelon mixed with a strawberry.
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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San Pedro are easy to grow.
San Pedro are pretty tough and hardy.
you could probably grow outside.
Mine have survived cold and neglect.

there are several threads in the Hallucinatory substances section about San Pedro.

there are several varieties of mescaline containing columnar cacti.
Mostly in the trichocereus family
googling that word should yield a few options
Peruvian Torch is also a good option.

entheogen.com has a entire board dedicated to cacti cultivation.
also erowid.org has much info about these cacti

there are many online vendors and even ebay(but go with someone trusted like the one the poster above mentioned.)
I'd like to keep it inside the tent since I rent and share a building with others. Right now, the cactus would have to be inside because of the winter anyway. Do you think it'll do fine in the corner of my 600w tent?

Good info on the mescaline. I haven't ever tried it but since the cactus I am looking at growing contains it, I just consider it a bonus. I am more looking for ornamental cacti rather than mind-altering ones.

Thanks for the links. Looks like I've got some reading to do...+rep.
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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they like really sandy soil and a long dry period between watering.
i have a peruvian torch cactus in my home town, i have never fertilized it
or even watered it. but it obviously gets rain.
you might also be interested in prickley pear if you're not a fan of mescaline
it makes a fruit with velvety red flesh that sorta tastes like a watermelon mixed with a strawberry.
Is that first statement true with all cacti? The site linked to earlier said that organic potting soil cut with perlite was ideal for San Pedro.

Does prickly pear also grow in tubular columns? I think there is a wild one growing on the side of my parent's house but it is sprawled all over and ugly. I want something compact and decent to look at. +rep for your input.
 

madcatter

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Cactus seem to thrive on sunshine and neglect... don't get to fancy and don't water them too often... desert rain storms don't happen that often and they can take big temperature swings .They don;t like really cold for really long though... We once had a cactus that everyone else in the family thought someone else was watering... It was 6 inches high and oneday we soakedit good, it grew 30 % in 2 weeks....
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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Cactus seem to thrive on sunshine and neglect... don't get to fancy and don't water them too often... desert rain storms don't happen that often and they can take big temperature swings .They don;t like really cold for really long though... We once had a cactus that everyone else in the family thought someone else was watering... It was 6 inches high and oneday we soakedit good, it grew 30 % in 2 weeks....
Good info. Seems like what I am reading is that it is better to underwater than overwater. They seem just like something I can stick in the corner of the tent and forget about. I'm probably overthinking it but I've only grow cannabis and it is pretty high maintenance compared to a cactus.

I potted mine with a pre-mixed Cacti/citrus soil I bought at Lowes or Home Depot
I see that stuff all the time locally. I'll pick some up since I plan on transplanting. Thanks for the tip.

I've decided I want to grow three cacti out of these species:
-Saguaro (carnegiea gigantea)
-Peruvian Torch (trichocereus peruvianus)
-San Pedro (trichocereus pachanoi)
-Toothpick cactus (stetsonia coryne)

Since I'm not interested in the mind-altering cacti, I would prefer to grow just one species of the trichocereus family. Are these a good choice for a noob cactus grower like myself?
 

qptyqpty

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I know they will grow at a rate of 2-3' per year if not more than 6" sometimes judging on casual observance, with red/blue LED lighting. My friend only used LED lighting on their plants, a little miracle grow, and a sandy perlite mixture.

I have a rock that is or is not from Machu Picchu, Peru ;) For my kymatica, I would say a Peruvian Torch or Brigesii would up the kymatics in your grow area.

Then try the cactus sometime and youll at least partially understand kymatics, since cactus lets you see it.

On another note, Find some Iboga (from Congo, illegal in USA [what isnt, that can be used for therapeutic purposes])for a once-in-your-life-use, to see the mistakes youve made in the past, the ones your making now, the ones you could make in the future, face your innermost fears, then triumph over your inner ego... thus changing the course of life youre on, to a more positive level. Ah I cant explain. These plants are like a 12 step program of how to unfuck yourself.

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qptyqpty

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Matter of fact, ive got something special for this thread, brb
(have to go through 3,000 pictures) ;)
 

qptyqpty

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Ive experienced a lot in my travels... =)



This is a Peruvian Torch during the winter, in Ollantaytambo, Peru. It is standing next to a 500-600 year old Fertility Idol, at the foot of the citadel there. This particular one was 2" in radius, (4" diameter, 12" circumference) and about 3 feet tall.




The area around this mountain enclosing the Ollantaytambo citadel was ABSOLUTELY COVERED in 4-8 foot clusters. In the general area is enough alkaloids to send a city of 40,000 inhabitants on a ride that would change their lives forever, and connect them to the Earth in ways unimaginable to anyone who has not been initiated into the sacred cactus. (this part of the wall would supply maybe 250-300 people with a 12 hour trip. I was floored at the sight. And yet again remember, this is the winter months. The air was crisp, humidity was near zero. Early morning until 12pm temperatures were in the 30°F's, while after 12pm it would get pretty hot, maybe in the 90°Fs, subsiding around 6pm then getting cold again. So temperature swings were pretty constant. No rain in 7 days through several regions covering over 900 miles. Some snow above 16,000 feet. [spiky bushes come up to mid upper thigh -- about 28". Measurements not accurate since i dont go on vacation with a tape measure, though now maybe I should. ;) cactus average 34"-72"]



I had asked our tour guide to point to the cactus because he looked so good and professional doing it and it would give friends at home a good kick. He very well knew the power of the cactus. [windows of ruins in background are about 3feet tall. Distance from standing point to wall was about 30 yards.]



A bit closer picture of some that only get a little sun, until after 12pm. (compared with the eastern side of mountain) [10 foot one in middle, lower half covered in a sort of lichen or something. 2 8footers flanking, and then three, 3-5ft perhaps]




I have tried several different cacti and other herbs, fruits, yada yada. By far, as a repeat use, I rate brigesii as #1 because its powerful but not as bad to choke down. Cactus juice/slime makes me hurl thinking about it. No more talk of that. #2 San Pedro because it floors you into reflection on everything good and bad, in about an hour. However, it is way way way bitter and 16-24oz (MY DOSE. I STRONGLY RECCOMMEND starting at about 8oz for 170lb as a starting dose. Drink that for your first trip. If it is not sufficient, try 12oz next time. But DO NOT drink 8oz, wait 2 hours, then prepare more, say 8oz to total 16oz. Holy Jesus Christ the cactus would punish you for such arrogance! (I have been victim to my own such arrogance and have thus become enlightened)

When you take it, GO OUTSIDE! DO NOT SMOKE POT! DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL! DO NOT EAT! BURN SOME KIND OF PLEASANT OIL! LOOK AT ANYTHING GREEN AND GROWING!

If you try to do anything inside, your inner mind is going to fight you. It will take you into a darker hole of thoughts. On these cacti, your senses are much improved. You can visually see the blood pumping through the veins in a person's foot, from 6 feet away, for instance. If you are sharing the experience, this can be confirmed by everyone seeing the same. Those with bad eyesight can focus better, and see better, more aware. Everyone is able to focus on many many things at once. For instance, look up into the sky and look at one star. Hah! you cant! This new perception is what helped the Incas map the stars and track movements. You literally see thousands of stars at once, AND CAN FOCUS ENOUGH TO NOTICE MOVEMENTS! In the Sacred Valley, the sky is so clear that whn on cactus the experience is absolutely amazing. BEST 16 (in ritual inebriated state) hours of my life possibly. Along with other events in this journey, this was directly responsible for a better personal worldview, and a drive to produce results in the world based on my own direct actions.

I very much approve of the use of These sacred cacti -- but only when used in a respectful manner, noting dosage procedures, and paying homage to the cactus, and your respective God for putting the plant before you OBVIOUSLY for the purpose you are about to experience. It gets you closer to God -- a sort of direct toll line, if you will.

Toll line, I say... because there is definitely a toll. For me, I can never seem to get over the evils completely, though I have corrected so many things about myself from subsequent journeys from my first, and the more I understand, the more powerful each trip becomes. If you go it with a sense of purpose, you will unlock knowledge and perspectives and a vision for the Earth itself that you can connect to with more every day and more every time you use it. But if you drink this gift from God simply thinking you are going to get high, hahahahahahahahahahaha.

hahahahahahaha

Remember this, I guarantee you no matter your body size, if you have a simple mind, the cactus will let you know.

No food. No drink, except water. No pot. Go outside, you dont want to know everything that is wrong in your life and how bad you live, or how selfish you are.... im telling you, your house is a trap when taking cactus. Movies are dis-interesting, games suck and are boring, but if you look outside about 45 minutes to 1 hour after consumtion, when you notice you are tapping your fingers, biting your lip, wiggling your foot -- something indicating anxiety, look outside. You might even notice out of the corner of your eye, a plant gently beckoning you to come outside, or a tree branch stretching into view to get your attention.

Look at every tree leaf wiggle on a tree 50feet away. Watch about 12 birds in your backyard, flying or not, at once. Watch a tree or bush breathe. Go walk in the woods, or hike, but only where you know it is familiar. If you are not a hiker, stay near your home.

And if you have any type of emotional trauma in your life, be prepared to visit that in all its glorious detail. Be aware of that. But be aware you might also be releived of its entrapment, or weight on your soul. Those of you know what I am talking about. This can make things right, but realize your mind can always control your trip. You always have control, its the matrix red pill. You are coming out of the matrix.

...out of the matrix....

You also very much need someone to babysit who is not tripping. They can be smoking pot, but not the trippers. No drinking though, they need to be cognizant enough to be able to "steer" the trippers in the event someone turns south. Simple positive encouragement, that the bad is coming out in physical form, that it is a ritual, that they must face their demons, etc., makes getting through it better.

muahahahaha go on!

The more enlightened ones in the world, the better. We need some hope.

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valjean

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no prickly pear is not columnal it makes little beaver tale looking leaflet dealys.
sand and perlite serve the same function, to drain the soil, either is good both is better
the peruvian torch i have at home easily quadruples its size in a year.

oddly, i have never eaten any of it though, i prepared some once but right when i was done
an old friend that i really love showed up and told me it was his birthday so i said, slug this.
it was definitely worth it, even though i love fungus and dmt and was really excited to try the cactus.
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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Awesome info and pictures, qptyqpty! Now that you describe it, I'm not sure it is something I want to try. I have a lot of emotional baggage, so I think it would be too traumatic experience for me.

valjean, I appreciate your input. I don't think the prickly pear cactus is what I want to grow. I'm probably going to stick with the species listed above.
 

SickSadLittleWorld

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Update...

I ordered three 6" peruvian torches from ebay and received them this past week. I transplanted them into bigger pots and stuck them under my 600w hps until the tubs fill up with mj plants. Here's a pic of my three musketeers:

 
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