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[SIZE=+1][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to[SIZE=+1]—[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]or seeking friendship or unity with[/FONT][SIZE=+1][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]—[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,”[SIZE=+1] and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause us[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]—[/FONT]or that which we cherish[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]—[/FONT]harm.

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good stuff

appears to be just like every other theatrical contradicting man made religion out there....also,

Satan aka Saturn aka Saturday refers to a period of time described by the ancients and secret societies

and I'm not hating, more power to ya!! Happy Saturday

sync0s said:

Bring on the hate

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Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires. All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with[SIZE=+1][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]—[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,”[SIZE=+1] and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause us[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]—[/FONT]or that which we cherish[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]—[/FONT]harm.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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Why would we be bringing on the hate here?

Satanism is an equal opportunity "religion", we do accept anyone regardless of color, age, sexual orientation, or education level.

Come on over. We have cake.

I figured that out about 20 years ago.

I'm not a Satanist, although their views agree with me more than any other religious institution. I posted it to show alternatives on the forum, got sick of reading Christianity this, Atheism that.

By the 'bring on the hate' I fully expected the Atheist bashers to come out in force, suppose that is still on the horizon, eh?

Satan is good and evil, love and hate. It is the gray; the totality of reality undivided into arbitrary dichotomies. Satan is not a real, not a living entity, conscious, or a physical thing that can be interacted with. It is a symbol, something ethereal, something that exists as an emotional attachment and personal dream. Just like Buddhists do not worship Buddha, Satanists hold up Satan as an ultimate principle rather than an object of literal worship. Satan inspires and provokes people, so, like all (honest) religions the ultimate point is self-help. God-believers have a different opinion on what Satan is, but their opinion is a result of their religion, steeped in mankind's ignorant past. Satanism's Satan is much more eclectic and multicultural than to be defined by Christianity or Islam.

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I'm not any religion or part of any cult or organization, nor believe in any fairy tale beings or gods, but, way of life-wise, Satanism is what I identify most with: Live life to the fullest, and don't impede on the freedoms of others.

Gotta love South Park:

Steven Stotch: Perhaps.. he is the Economy's only Son, sent to save us.
Father Maxi: Are you retarded, Stotch?! The Economy is omnipotent! Which means it can do anything! So saying it would be limited to one Son is fucking stupid!
Randy: That is stupid, yea. And going around telling people to shop... is dangerous!

This is self stylized LaVeyan bullshit; an attempt for the satanist to feel justified and for Anton to swell his church numbers. If you do not believe in a deity then you are atheist, and why would you identify with one god in one religious text? You can not be a non-theist, and then claim a religion which is based on theism, without it being an obvious attempt to re-brand. LaVey is using the same tricks Christianity uses to snag members, except he is targeting non believers and hoping they are just as gullible. It is a tactic designed to fool people who doubt god into thinking that satanism is the only alternative position.

Heisenberg said:

This is self stylized LaVeyan bullshit; an attempt for the satanist to feel justified and for Anton to swell his church numbers. If you do not believe in a deity then you are atheist, and why would you identify with one god in one religious text? You can not be a non-theist, and then claim a religion which is based on theism, without it being an obvious attempt to re-brand. LaVey is using the same tricks Christianity uses to snag members, except he is targeting non believers and hoping they are just as gullible. It is a tactic designed to fool people who doubt god into thinking that satanism is the only alternative position.

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LaVey is dead. You're right.

However, one question has always bothered me. How do Christians be so sure that "God" is the good one, and their "Satan" isn't? Wouldn't an evil demon with the powers that Christianity has given Satan surely have the power to brainwash the world into falsely following him? Perhaps it is "God" that actually holds these abilities?

Because God helps people win football games and helped Susie get that new car she wanted. When you survive your heart surgery God did it, but when your little kitten gets sick and dies, that must be Satan.

Keep in mind, religious people have no problem giving completely unreasonable answers to reasonable questions. Contradictions and inconsistencies do not bother them. When they experience cognitive dissonance, they are given an easy remedy that is always available, faith. Anytime a religious person does not understand an aspect of God, they only see it as evidence that the mind of god is more complicated than ours, and it in fact ends up supporting their conclusions.

I've read Anton LeVey's Satanic bible, just out of curiosity. I agree with a few things from it, but it mostly an attempt at having his own cult, and he succeeded.

I just like the "live life to the fullest, and don't impede on the freedoms of others", and maybe the indulgence thing, hell, I smoke a lot of pot, drink a lot of beer and whiskey, and I eat unhealthy food, why? Because I like it, not because I need it. It makes me feel good, therefor I am doing it, and no one is getting hurt by me doing it.

As for believing in some horned being with a pitchfork that tortures souls in hell? Might as well believe in the tooth fairy too.

That's just it, you are hurting someone, yourself. And maybe other people who care about you as well who see you hurting yourself. I haven't read the S.B., but I've looked over the satanic statements and the intro which I assumed summarized the religion. Indulging in carnal behavior at the whim of desire sounds illogical. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about some carnal behaviors , but to indulge at ones on whim without considerable thought to the outcomes of your actions is conscious stupidity. But to each his own and I agree that you should be free to live your life as you please, no harm no foul there.

I agree with a lot of the principles involved with satanism but there are also a lot of them I don't. It's just easier for me to be human and just do what I think and feel is right without having to be classified or adhere to a specific set of religious doctrines, rules, and beliefs.

edit: I take back the notion of the indulging part as stupidity. It seems that the satanic church agrees that harming yourself is un-satanic. Although there are still principles I don't agree with, I guess being more informed helps to better understand.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]If a substance is legal, a Satanist may or may not choose to indulge in it. “Indulgence, NOT compulsion” is your guide. Since survival is the highest law, the Satanist will not ruin or poison his or her body, even if it is legal to do so. This is an important distinction. Self-destructive, suicidal hedonism—via whatever means—is ultimately un-Satanic as it threatens the very thing a Satanist holds most dear: his own life. There is no mystical “Scoreboard in the Sky” dictating whether such an act is Wrong or Right; it simply IS, and dead brain cells, blackened lungs and non-functional livers are not a matter of opinion.[/FONT]

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