Liberal Media - Fort Hood Spin

ilkhan · Nov 9, 2009

So here is what we do.
We get the military and all the telavangelists
and Christian conservatives together.
Send our fleets to the Persian gulf and invade.
We smash all their holy places.
"Convert" or Kill their religious leaders.
Gas or nutron bomb the hard core hold outs.
Burn all the Quarans.
Take their kids from their parents
and instruct them on the finer points of Christianity.
We need to get everyone reading from the same script.

We need a Crusade!
That will fix their little red wagon.

RickWhite · Nov 10, 2009

Why does a specific discussion about a Muslim murderer and his possible radical leanings contain more references to Christianity than to Islam?

What does this tell us about the thought process of the people posting?

stalebiscuit · Nov 10, 2009

i remember when i heard about this on the news

the news said "he used a powerful combat handgun popular with mexican drug cartels"

..........wtf does that mean, he had an FN 5.7, not a very powerful handgun, expensive and the ammo cost a bunch to, buts its nothing special.......and why did they ad mexican drug cartels into it?

i hate the news, it doesnt matter what the situation is, they ad asinine comments and remarks and obviously dont do their research enough. not just with guns, or down playing the muslim factor, or what have you. and i dont think its just the "liberal media" its the media in general

the real problem isnt with what they are reporting, its ignorant folks who dont understand that the news is a ratings show and will generally sensationalize dumb shit all the time

medicineman · Nov 10, 2009

ilkhan said:
Well we are all speculating on things we know nothing about yet.
We don't know what his motive was.
Really it doesn't matter,
he has commited murder of at least 13 people. (some may yet not pull through)
But IMO the American people have shown incredable restraint in reguards to muslims.
Remember we interned the Japaness Americans after pearl harbor.
So we have come along way.

This is a tragedy.
But what are we gonna do intern, deport, tattoo, chip muslims?
Come on now.

This will continue until we stop meddleing in other countries affairs.
Bring our troops home.
Start treating others the way we would like to be treated.

How true you speak. I knew you were a sensible man, even though we disagree on some things, I totally agree with this.

Leothwyn · Nov 10, 2009

RickWhite said:
Why does a specific discussion about a Muslim murderer and his possible radical leanings contain more references to Christianity than to Islam?
What does this tell us about the thought process of the people posting?

What do you think it tells us?
I think it's because we mostly agree that radical islam is a serious, fucked up threat... but with christianity, the problem is not so severe or obvious. Maybe it shouldn't have been brought up - a derailing should've been anticipated. But it was, and a little debate ensued. That's about all I see in it.

medicineman · Nov 10, 2009

stalebiscuit said:
i remember when i heard about this on the news

the news said "he used a powerful combat handgun popular with mexican drug cartels"

..........wtf does that mean, he had an FN 5.7, not a very powerful handgun, expensive and the ammo cost a bunch to, buts its nothing special.......and why did they ad mexican drug cartels into it?

i hate the news, it doesnt matter what the situation is, they ad asinine comments and remarks and obviously dont do their research enough. not just with guns, or down playing the muslim factor, or what have you. and i dont think its just the "liberal media" its the media in general

the real problem isnt with what they are reporting, its ignorant folks who dont understand that the news is a ratings show and will generally sensationalize dumb shit all the time

The FN 5.7 when used with military grade ammo, which I believe he had, has the ability to penetrate 12 layers of kevlar, the thickness of police vests. It has been labeled the "Cop Killer". Although the actual diameter of the projectile, (Bullet) is about the same as a .22, it is the projectiles velocity and and tip that makes it so dangerous. Since reading up on the gun, I have seriously considered getting one, they are a little pricy, and the military grade Ammo is hard to find. Without the military grade ammo, they are not a very big deal. My 9MM would have more stopping power.

MurderAlley · Nov 10, 2009

RickWhite said:
And so it begins. The Liberal media is hard at work trying to downplay and spin the Muslim factor in the Fort Hood shooting.

Here is one such insidious story from the New York Times in which all the blame is shifted away from the shooter's Muslim beliefs and toward everyone else.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33751407/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

For instance, here is a quote by another Muslim - we are supposed to see him as a victim. Playing the victim is huge in Islam.

When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal, said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad."

Oh, boohoo, poor Muslims, America just treats them so unfairly. That is why there has been no appreciable record of anti-Muslim hate crime despite 911.

Notice how sneaky and insidious the NYT is in their coverage. Their propaganda techniques are so subtle, many might walk away never even noticing they have just been manipulated into believing the Muslims are the victims and the army was to blame for this whack job's actions.

Say what you will about Fox but at least they are up front about their convictions and don't try to hide who they are.

No, this type of subtle indoctrination is far and away more insidious than anything Fox does.

yOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD BROTHER I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS WITH MY FAMILY AND IT WAS MAKING ME SICK HOW WELL THEY WERE TWISTING IT I HAD TO TURN IT OFF AND JELL MY BRAIN WITH SOME FAMILY GUY.

stalebiscuit · Nov 10, 2009

medicineman said:
The FN 5.7 when used with military grade ammo, which I believe he had, has the ability to penetrate 12 layers of kevlar, the thickness of police vests. It has been labeled the "Cop Killer". Although the actual diameter of the projectile, (Bullet) is about the same as a .22, it is the projectiles velocity and and tip that makes it so dangerous. Since reading up on the gun, I have seriously considered getting one, they are a little pricy, and the military grade Ammo is hard to find. Without the military grade ammo, they are not a very big deal. My 9MM would have more stopping power.

dont talk to me about it, i know all about the 5.7x28

nifty little round, i hate the term "cop killer" though, i mean, the 5.7 is a "new" thing but its really not

look at the 7.62x25 round, that thing will punch through body armor without a problem, you can buy the ammo in bulk on the cheap, and the guns themselves are inexpensive (cz-52 or a tokarov)

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_TT-33_7.62x25_Pistol.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_7.62x25.html

medicineman · Nov 10, 2009

stalebiscuit said:
dont talk to me about it, i know all about the 5.7x28

nifty little round, i hate the term "cop killer" though, i mean, the 5.7 is a "new" thing but its really not

look at the 7.62x25 round, that thing will punch through body armor without a problem, you can buy the ammo in bulk on the cheap, and the guns themselves are inexpensive (cz-52 or a tokarov)

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_TT-33_7.62x25_Pistol.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_7.62x25.html

Don't talk to you? WTF, are you someone special? Am I not allowed an opinion. Yes my "friend" I also have an AK with 7.62 ammo, plenty of it, so in all actuality, I won't be needing the 5.7FN. The AK will penetrate "Cop" vests fairly easily. I am not a gun afficianado, but I know how to use them and have a variety. I am prepared. Death is always near, the thing is, to learn not to fear it. Compared to the hospital way of dying, being wasted in a firefight may be much less painful. Do you have the guts to stand up to an opponent or opponents with guns? I Do.
Damn, that pistol is cheap enough. You think that round will penetrate a vest? For that price, I may want to add it to my arsenol.

stalebiscuit · Nov 10, 2009

medicineman said:
Don't talk to you? WTF, are you someone special? Am I not allowed an opinion. Yes my "friend" I also have an AK with 7.62 ammo, plenty of it, so in all actuality, I won't be needing the 5.7FN. The AK will penetrate "Cop" vests fairly easily. I am not a gun afficianado, but I know how to use them and have a variety. I am prepared. Death is always near, the thing is, to learn not to fear it. Compared to the hospital way of dying, being wasted in a firefight may be much less painful. Do you have the guts to stand up to an opponent or opponents with guns? I Do.
Damn, that pistol is cheap enough. You think that round will penetrate a vest? For that price, I may want to add it to my arsenol.

i was saying it in a friendly manner? like "oh man dont talk to me about it" kinda a joke

sorry, tone is lost over the internet

and yes that round is a hot one, the 7.62x25 is a mean son of a bitch and it will penetrate

read this article

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29.htm

medicineman · Nov 10, 2009

stalebiscuit said:
i was saying it in a friendly manner? like "oh man dont talk to me about it" kinda a joke

sorry, tone is lost over the internet

and yes that round is a hot one, the 7.62x25 is a mean son of a bitch and it will penetrate

read this article

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29.htm

Thanks for the info. I'm going to look into this little gem. May find it's way into my safe.

stalebiscuit · Nov 10, 2009

medicineman said:
Thanks for the info. I'm going to look into this little gem. May find it's way into my safe.

they arent the best "combat" handguns, but they are cheap, they are fun shooters, they are reliable and would work well in many situations

i might get one soon just as an extra back up handgun, something i could even loan to a friend

medicineman · Nov 10, 2009

stalebiscuit said:
they arent the best "combat" handguns, but they are cheap, they are fun shooters, they are reliable and would work well in many situations

i might get one soon just as an extra back up handgun, something i could even loan to a friend

Well, being an impulsive sort of guy, I just went to my gun dealer and purchased one. With all the BS tax, dealer fees, background check etc., (yes they do background checks even on us carry permit holders), the cost was a numbing 338.00, quite a little add on, but necessary if one wants to purchase and doesn't hold an FFL. My gun dealer has the ammo in stock, but had to get the gun from AIM. Makes for a nice throw away gun, but being registered, , not so much. BTW, in Nv., at gun shows, I can purchase and walk with the weapon with my carry permit.

ViRedd · Nov 10, 2009

This will be "The Scandal" of the Obama administration. The FBI, CIA, DOJ and military intelligence screwed up here. Hell, if it was on Bush's watch, all hell would be breaking loose in the Used To Be Main Stream Media.

Wavels · Nov 10, 2009

We are rapidly becoming the nation that called SHEEP!

This will ultimately lead to our demise, if we do not wake up from this PC stupor.

Green Cross · Nov 11, 2009

RickWhite said:
And so it begins. The Liberal media is hard at work trying to downplay and spin the Muslim factor in the Fort Hood shooting.

Here is one such insidious story from the New York Times in which all the blame is shifted away from the shooter's Muslim beliefs and toward everyone else.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33751407/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

For instance, here is a quote by another Muslim - we are supposed to see him as a victim. Playing the victim is huge in Islam.

“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad."

Oh, boohoo, poor Muslims, America just treats them so unfairly. That is why there has been no appreciable record of anti-Muslim hate crime despite 911.

Notice how sneaky and insidious the NYT is in their coverage. Their propaganda techniques are so subtle, many might walk away never even noticing they have just been manipulated into believing the Muslims are the victims and the army was to blame for this whack job's actions.

Say what you will about Fox but at least they are up front about their convictions and don't try to hide who they are.

No, this type of subtle indoctrination is far and away more insidious than anything Fox does.

Rick White is spot on, but the government media complex is already busy covering up the issue.

All islamic believing individuals should be immediately removed from high level positions including military service, before they kill again.

This story documents and confirms everything we suspected...
The killer was a jihadist and should be treated as a war criminal.

Joel HillikerColumnist Fort Hood Attack: Accept the Truth
November 11, 2009 | From theTrumpet.com
Our leaders are willfully blind to this jihadist act—among other things.

Joel Hilliker

After evidence has accumulated for several days, you have to stick your head in the sand pretty deep to say the Fort Hood massacre wasn’t a guerrilla attack on America’s military by an Islamist extremist.
Numerous signs point to Maj. Nidal Hasan’s jihadist motives in premeditatedly gunning down 44 people, killing 13—and more are emerging by the hour. His attendance at a mosque with a jihadist hate preacher—Anwar al-Awlaki, the same “spiritual adviser” to three of the 9/11 terrorists. His labeling of the war on terror a “war on Islam.” His identifying his nationality not as American, but Palestinian. His being reprimanded during his postgraduate work for inappropriately proselytizing for Islam. His efforts, noted by U.S. intelligence officials, to contact members of al Qaeda. His evident approval of a Muslim terrorist killing an Army recruiter in Arkansas this past summer. His statements (according to colleague Col. Terry Lee), that Muslims had the right to attack Americans, and that “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square.” His lecture to doctors at Walter Reed in d.c. where he warned that “adverse events” could occur if the military didn’t release Muslim soldiers as conscientious objectors. His statement, in the same presentation, calling non-Muslims (in the words of the Sunday Telegraph) “infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire,” and saying they “should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.” His handing out of Korans with his business card right before the attack. His statement to a neighbor that morning, as he gave her a Koran, “I’m going to do good work for God.” His shout of “Allahu Akbar!” (Allah is great) as he mowed down his victims.
Nevertheless, don’t expect many retractions from those over the past week who have insisted people not assume Hasan’s religion had any bearing on his motive in the attack. That is because they cherish some things more than the truth.
To hold fast the imagined virtues of diversity and political correctness, they have closed their eyes.
Washington, the military and the mainstream press knew enough to conscientiously downplay or bury the jihadist connection from the moment the tragedy happened. They ascribed the attack to Hasan’s supposed mental imbalances, or stress from counseling traumatized soldiers, or harassment he endured for being Muslim.
Gen. George Casey, the U.S. Army chief of staff, said it’s important not to speculate about the role his Muslim faith played in the outburst. His concern is to prevent a backlash against Muslims in the military; he instructed his commanders to watch out for that reaction at Fort Hood.
President Obama said on Friday, “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts.” Remember—this is the same man who, before knowing all the facts, glibly judged that the Cambridge police’s actions against Henry Louis Gates fit a pattern of racial profiling in America.
The president did make an oblique inference to the jihadist nature of the attack in his speech at the memorial yesterday. But in the end, these 13 murders will do nothing to change the culture of political correctness strangling our nation’s politics, military and press. The stubborn, unshakable conviction among those in charge is that the best way to fight Islamist terrorism is to avoid offense.
Their attitude is as Isaiah prophesied: “[W]e have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.”
The most egregious example of just how impervious to all truth this thinking is came courtesy of General Casey on Meet the Press this past Sunday. “Our diversity—not only in our Army but in our country—is a strength,” he said, reciting the multiculturalist mantra that has become military policy. Then, this: “And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.”
A departure from the commitment to diversity would be worse—more horrific—than a jihadist shooting up several dozen people on an American military base.
Think about that. It’s tragic that it took 13 deaths to expose this thinking so starkly, but there it is. The general’s statement gives you a window into precisely the muddled, minority-privilege, criminal-as-victim rationalization that enabled Major Hasan to reach such heights within the Army.
During Hasan’s six years at Walter Reed, those around him could see trouble. His proselytizing for Islam and anti-American statements riled people. His superiors suppressed repeated complaints from his co-workers and subordinates. Even his work habits were lousy. His record would have easily cost most people their job. But even with all the disturbing red flags, Hasan was shuttled up the Army ranks—not in spite of his being Muslim, but because he is Muslim.
“Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone,” wrote Lt. Col. Ralph Peters. “But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.” Peters says Army promotion boards, shamefully, secretly have quotas for minority officers. “It’s almost impossible for the Army’s politically correct system to pass over a Muslim physician,” he wrote.
Is that policy going to change? The general’s comment is pretty solid proof that not even 13 murders are enough to jolt the military into reconsidering its blind devotion to diversity.
The media’s look-the-other-way response shows that they’re going to keep pretending the greatest danger in the war on terror is increased discrimination against peaceful American Muslims.
The president’s actions show that he will continue to prioritize “sending the right message” to the Islamic world over dealing with the truth. It’s the same problem that plagues his administration’s policies with Israel—and with Iran.
The Prophet Moses warned that the end-time nations of Israel, of which the U.S. is one, would suffer. Among their punishments: “The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.” And why? “For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them” (Deuteronomy 32:25, 2.
A nation void of counsel, bereft of understanding. Pretty apt description of a government making lies their refuge, cherishing political correctness more than the truth—valuing diversity over life itself.

RickWhite · Nov 11, 2009

Hubris - all of our problems come down to hubris.

People in the US hold their opinions in too high esteem. Too many feel they are smart enough and wise enough to decide how every aspect of society should be micromanaged. Far too many think that society should conform to their personal beliefs and opinions. We need to go back to the way things were when people respected and conformed to society instead of vis versa.

When people get over themselves and stop thinking they are more intelligent than they are, we will all be better off. Most of the time things are what they are for a reason and most of the time things are more or less as they appear. Even when they are not, the truth is beyond the understanding of 99.9% of people, so why the hell do 99.9% think they know better.

Being intelligent means you understand that things are the way they are for a reason. Being an idiot means that you think you always know better. Trouble is everyone is an idiot today.

londonfog · Nov 11, 2009

Terrorism is terrorism whether its done in the name of Islam or for Christianity .... Terrorism has always been apart of America's fabric .... whether its hanging a noose on a college campus or blowing up a abortion clinic ...its always been here....Hell America could not and would not have been built had it not been for some men using terror on others to do his work.....Why are we so surprise now when it happens ????? Hey America needs to Wake Up.. ...now I don't condone what this man did at all, but it does not surprise me that something like this would happen.....Man what 2012 going to be like .....WAKE UP

Green Cross · Nov 11, 2009

RickWhite said:
Hubris - all of our problems come down to hubris.

People in the US hold their opinions in too high esteem. Too many feel they are smart enough and wise enough to decide how every aspect of society should be micromanaged. Far too many think that society should conform to their personal beliefs and opinions. We need to go back to the way things were when people respected and conformed to society instead of vis versa.

When people get over themselves and stop thinking they are more intelligent than they are, we will all be better off. Most of the time things are what they are for a reason and most of the time things are more or less as they appear. Even when they are not, the truth is beyond the understanding of 99.9% of people, so why the hell do 99.9% think they know better.

Being intelligent means you understand that things are the way they are for a reason. Being an idiot means that you think you always know better. Trouble is everyone is an idiot today.

The trouble is the idiots (elitists who think they know better than the founding fathers) are in charge of the government, the educational system, and 90% of the media, and 90% of the population believe what they are told, instead of thinking for themselves.

Some of that will change next year - after midterm elections. Folks are waking up as the economy continues to get worse, despite Obama's empty promises :bigjoint:

Haul me to Heaven · Nov 11, 2009

RickWhite said:
Being intelligent means you understand that things are the way they are for a reason.

"To Know is NOT to understand- to Understand is to Know Why" Plumlee

What you said is true.

A person may have memorized the Drivers Manual- but that does NOT mean - when I toss the a set of car keys-that they understand how to drive a car!

There is a big difference between 'knowing about a thing and understanding the thing.

A person my know 2+2=4 but then, as before, toss some beans on the table and say 'show me'. They may know but they may not understand.

There is a big difference between 'head knowledge and heart or applicational knowledge.
One is book learned and the other is learned from/by experience. IMO

Which makes your point very valid- again- IMO

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