light green or darker green plants?

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johnehazeharvester

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I have three plants which should be the same genetics. Two of them have lighter green leaves and the other slightly darker green leaves. The one with the darker green leaves got one less nutrient feeding. Which is a healthier plant?
I have been feeding the Fox farm trio with half dose of the three Thanks ahead of time for any inputPXL_20230118_112302573.jpgPXL_20230118_112250181.jpg
 
LeastExpectedGrower

LeastExpectedGrower

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weedstoner420 said:
Srsly, I dunno if anyone out there has success using Fox farms nutes, but it sure seems like a lot of new growers do not...
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Firmly believe that new growers should start with a good all in one, or at most an all in one for veg and another in flower if that's what you want. I started with GH trio and had a hard time dialing in stuff across a grow, and everyone and their mom has different schedules and mixes for that stuff. Get the game down with a solid simple feed to start then migrate to something more complex if you want or need.

...of course that robs everyone of doing the mad scientist routine with different colored fluids and syringes, etc.
 
weedstoner420

weedstoner420

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Sorry OP, didn't mean to sidetrack the thread. Different shades of green is okay, different phenotypes can have slightly different appearances. I wouldn't sweat it too much at this point, both plants you posted look pretty healthy, maybe even a bit over-fed in the first photo...
 
LeastExpectedGrower

LeastExpectedGrower

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I think they're both in the range of normal, but you don't want 'em too dark...that's a good sign of nitrogen excess. But different phenos sometimes have different feed sensitivities & you may have to adjust accordingly.
 
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johnehazeharvester

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Herb & Suds said:
Different phenos mean no two plants are identical even the same strain
Fox farm trio is unforgiving
What medium are you growing in
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I used my girlfriend's old flower soil and added nature's living soil and perlite. I just ordered three bags of Fox farm potting soil and bought one bag of vigoro potting soil from home Depot. I will add perlite and nature living soil to these. I will use Vigoro for my new seedlings. I put four seeds in water last night. Can't wait to see if any of them popped. If not, I probably will put them in paper towels. they will be four different strains. I am going to try to pop OG Kush, alien OG, brother's farms Rosetta Stone and MOTA HARI. My first batch was amnesia Haze Auto from seed supreme once he did not pop but it may have been user error as paper towels may have gotten a little dry. My next batch will be photo feminized. Will try to practice some cloning with the next batch. Very exciting hobby.
 
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LeastExpectedGrower said:
Firmly believe that new growers should start with a good all in one, or at most an all in one for veg and another in flower if that's what you want. I started with GH trio and had a hard time dialing in stuff across a grow, and everyone and their mom has different schedules and mixes for that stuff. Get the game down with a solid simple feed to start then migrate to something more complex if you want or need.

...of course that robs everyone of doing the mad scientist routine with different colored fluids and syringes, etc.
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Thanks! I will have a bunch left over so I think I will try to use the trio again for my next grow. I also added some Epsom salt between a half teaspoon and a teaspoon per gallon for about 3 feeds. I use pH down with phospheric acid (My water has a pH of 8.3 coming out of the well) this also adds some phosphorus. I add wood ash diluted in water as a cheap flower bloom which I pH with phospheric acid. I occasionally add a bit of calm mag 2-3 ml per gallon, but not sure if It is needed as I am using well water which probably has some magnesium and calcium in it. Ppm of well water is about 130.
 
LeastExpectedGrower

LeastExpectedGrower

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johnehazeharvester said:
Thanks! I will have a bunch left over so I think I will try to use the trio again for my next grow. I also added some Epsom salt between a half teaspoon and a teaspoon per gallon for about 3 feeds. I use pH down with phospheric acid (My water has a pH of 8.3 coming out of the well) this also adds some phosphorus. I add wood ash diluted in water as a cheap flower bloom which I pH with phospheric acid. I occasionally add a bit of calm mag 2-3 ml per gallon, but not sure if It is needed as I am using well water which probably has some magnesium and calcium in it. Ppm of well water is about 130.
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That water doesn't sound bad for growing. My well is seasonally 240-330ppm. At those levels I was finding that it was locking out nutrients pretty damned quickly. Now I filter it to zero then add 2ml Ca/Mg which brings it up to about 130ppm, and my nutrient (GH Maxi Gro/Bloom). If I notice stripey leaves, a little epsom salt per gallon.
 
MtRainDog

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Make your own. It works out to be cheaper in the long run, and you can get much better results.

Subcool's recipe is a good easy one.

Here's mine:

Base:
  • 1 part Pro-Mix HP
  • 1 part Earth worm castings
  • 1 part Perlite
Amendments (per cubic foot):
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup Garden Lime
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup (total) Kelp and/or Alfalfa Meal
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup General purpose tomato food
  • 1 - 4 Cups Azomite or rock dust (glacial, granite, etc)
Keep the mix damp, and allow to "cook" for ideally 4+ weeks before using. This can be all you need start-to-finish. Maybe some light nutes/bloom booster in flower if needed. No pH'ing necessary either.
 
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johnehazeharvester

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MtRainDog said:
Make your own. It works out to be cheaper in the long run, and you can get much better results.

Subcool's recipe is a good easy one.

Here's mine:

Base:
  • 1 part Pro-Mix HP
  • 1 part Earth worm castings
  • 1 part Perlite
Amendments (per cubic foot):
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup Garden Lime
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup (total) Kelp and/or Alfalfa Meal
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup General purpose tomato food
  • 1 - 4 Cups Azomite or rock dust (glacial, granite, etc)
Keep the mix damp, and allow to "cook" for ideally 4+ weeks before using. This can be all you need start-to-finish. Maybe some light nutes/bloom booster in flower if needed. No pH'ing necessary either.
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Thanks. I just copied this. I have four bags now of soil plus the old stuff which I probably will try to reuse, especially with nature's living soil. So I should have enough for now but in the future I may try something like this. I was reading true living organics the ultimate guide to growing all natural marijuana indoors that mentions doing something very simila
MtRainDog said:
Make your own. It works out to be cheaper in the long run, and you can get much better results.

Subcool's recipe is a good easy one.

Here's mine:

Base:
  • 1 part Pro-Mix HP
  • 1 part Earth worm castings
  • 1 part Perlite
Amendments (per cubic foot):
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup Garden Lime
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup (total) Kelp and/or Alfalfa Meal
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup General purpose tomato food
  • 1 - 4 Cups Azomite or rock dust (glacial, granite, etc)
Keep the mix damp, and allow to "cook" for ideally 4+ weeks before using. This can be all you need start-to-finish. Maybe some light nutes/bloom booster in flower if needed. No pH'ing necessary either.
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Thanks. I just copied this. I have now have four bags of soil plus the old stuff which I probably will try to reuse, especially with nature's living soil added. So I should have enough for now but in the future I may try something like this. I was reading'True living organics the ultimate guide to growing all natural marijuana indoors' that mentions doing something very similar. I have also been reading about recharge and heard about this product in a few podcasts. It sounds like that might be good for top dressing.
 
Boatguy

Boatguy

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MtRainDog said:
Make your own. It works out to be cheaper in the long run, and you can get much better results.

Subcool's recipe is a good easy one.

Here's mine:

Base:
  • 1 part Pro-Mix HP
  • 1 part Earth worm castings
  • 1 part Perlite
Amendments (per cubic foot):
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup Garden Lime
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup (total) Kelp and/or Alfalfa Meal
  • 1/2 - 1 Cup General purpose tomato food
  • 1 - 4 Cups Azomite or rock dust (glacial, granite, etc)
Keep the mix damp, and allow to "cook" for ideally 4+ weeks before using. This can be all you need start-to-finish. Maybe some light nutes/bloom booster in flower if needed. No pH'ing necessary either.
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Why do you cook that mix? Doesnt seem like it would benefit from that process
 
obijohn

obijohn

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The reason so many new to growing have issues with Fox Farm nutes is they follow the recommended dosage, which is generally way too much. The OP use half, I'd never go more than that and typically less.

Also, many think that adding powders, multiple nutes, additives etc is necessary. Keep it simple. If you have good soil to begin with like Ocean Forest, you really only need Grow Big and Tiger Bloom.
 
Boatguy

Boatguy

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obijohn said:
If you have good soil to begin with like Ocean Forest,
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Sometimes it shines, but with my personal experience along with over 10 years of people here complaining about it being the bug source in their garden. No thanks, way better options out there
 
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