Lights for autos?
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SoCalBudToker619
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You didn't trim your auto while it was still growing did you?
Big smo
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I do this all the time. There are flocks of people now high stress training autos. I lollipop mine all the way to the scrog
BOB SPONGE
Member
hey guys,is their a definitive time for topping,lollipop or LST on autos. I'm at 13 days on WW,GSC and couple of nevil hazes. Not real tall yet but nice dark green. Second node maybe,not to sure. What's best way to go yield,on 20/4 just with 4 T5HO. Read a lot bout diff methods and still a bit confused,so much info out there. Been tuning in to you guys and i reckon best bet of real advice. respect.
Sassafras¥
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You have to watch when training an auto. Mainly because some auto strains do not respond well at all to LST, or topping. Just thought I'd throw that out there from past hands on experience and experience of others.
BOB SPONGE
Member
That's all i was looking for,no nonsense,straight to point,no bullshit answer from someone with hands on,been there,done that and experience of others thrown in. Champion stuff. So many opinions and advice out there and i'm sure most of it positive,it warms the soul Thanks man
Sassafras¥
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No problem. Really started seeing the difference between my grows with autos (same strains) and others. Where I'd pull roughly around 3 or 4 ounces, others running same strains would be pulling 6+ ounces with no topping, or training of any sort. Glad I could help with what I did. If you happen to ever need any further information feel free to holler at me.
Yodaweed
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i did a grow log for them but they never paid me, just gave me free seeds and i gave an honest report, their genetics weren't anything special, but i never smoked an auto that i thought was special so i don't know if that means they are bad or just means they got normal autos.
Big smo
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I don't see the need at all to top an auto. Low stress training such as pulling the taller branches over does the same thing. The benefit more spread out and even canopy. As light diminishes rapidly at distance growing x-mad tree looking plants is probably the worst thing you could do. Topping slows the plant down plain and simple. Any training does but high stress does the most. If it's recovering it's not growing.
BOB SPONGE
Member
Has anyone had any exp with 400 watt growfresh cob LED's? Will they be ok for entire spectrum of grow,efficience and do they need cooling. Have only sm area 1100mm x 600mm and 6 plants. Thanks
Big smo
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Noooo. These are the 2$ cobs you see on eBay. Cob doesn't make a light better. The reason most cob lights are better is they use good efficient cobs like cree, citizen and vero. Efficiency is the amount of light you revieve per watt. These are close to the lowest you can get
BOB SPONGE
Member
Sooo,i just threw away $480 on a spider cob that the dude at the hydro store told me is the latest and greatest??
MiStUrX
Member
Whats wrong with a spider cob? Pulls 265 watts, I have a cob system and 170 watts is just perfect my 3x3 area. Not sure what size your grow is but if its the same size as mine your good to go. It can go higher than that but at 170 its perfect and out performs my 460mh/hps.
BOB SPONGE
Member
Well,not real sure. Just mentioned to another member i paid $480 for 400 watt growfresh LED and he said might have wasted money. Lowest amount of light per watt or something. Pretty new to all this so don't really know
BOB SPONGE
Member
Hey buddy,really not to sure about lights and wattage,was talking to someone else about buying 400 watt spider cob and he more or less said not a good move. I don't know so i'm happy you made a statement about yours,i thought LED was the way to go as far as no heat and pretty cheap to run
Big smo
Well-Known Member
It's not about the wattage as much as the efficiency. A watt of those cobs vs a watt of Cree cobs is 2 completely different things. Cree and citizen cobs are between 40-60% efficient meaning you revieve 40-60% light per watt. I believe these are in the low 20% range. I know it's a bitch to read and trust me I did the same thing. Actually multiple times lol. It's the same reason no one can pull 1 or 1.5 grams per watt with a mars hydro? The efficiency is poor just like the cheaper cobs. With better cobs like Cree and citizen it's very well doable.
BOB SPONGE
Member
Yeah,it is a bitch to read,only on a dis pension,took a long time to save for that light.So can i swap out cobs or is that not doable.Guy at hydro shop told me they're pretty good,known him a while to.Suppose it always come down to dollars
Big smo
Well-Known Member
A light could be well built, could have a good frame and power supply. It could be 2000 watts and be priced great. The cob itself is the heart of the light. If it was a 20 dollar citizen or a 45 dollar Cree cob they would flaunt it. If it's the same cobs sold on eBay for next to nothing they won't mention them. As for the other message about leds being better and less heat. It all boils down the the leds themselves. You would be surprised on how many lights are exactly the same as use the same cheap .02 cent leds. Riu has some smart people here that have either tested or know people that tested these lights in million dollar spheres. As for them giving off less heat, a watt generates the same amount of heat if it's LED or hps or an electric heater. 3.41btu from every watt. Leds claim less wattage to meet higher equivalents there for saving you wattage and heat but that's not the case with most lights .
Big smo
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I truely feel bad for your situation. I fell for it with mars hydro then kind led. I later found out they both used the same leds and couldn't get my head around it. How can a 129 dollar light use the same parts as a 1695 dollar light. Kind advertises more, has more bells and whistles and is a bigger light but no where near the price. Luckily 2 weeks in my leds burnt out and after months of hell I got a refund.