long veg for mature THC?

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hd deuce

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mr sunshine said:
Once it's mature it's mature.. takes 2 months from seed. You're mistaking what maturity is with what a super strong root system would do.
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i understand roots are the key

i use 4.5 x 4.5 ' pods 3 ft deep

with mesh shelving very 8 inches inside the pod
with a 5 micron fogger pumping into the pods

the mesh shelves big enough to let roots through but small enough size to inhibit them enough where as they don't fall sgtrainght down this fosters huge root development
as th ebewnefits a a true aero system are exposing the roots to oxygen and cute continuously if they were to be allowed rot just drop a majority of them would would no longer be exposed to max o2 and nutes


i get crazy results this way

normally keep clipping in cloner till they get nice long roots
is about 4 inches height i put them under 400 hd tie they hit 5 nodes 5 nodes is the goal for single cola grows

when they hit five nodes straight to flower

in a 4.5 x 4.5 pod i stuff 255 plants clip all side branches day 6 n day 12 of flower

this give me true single cola growth

36-42 inches of one single donkey dik i can't take credit for this i seen it in u tube video years ago and never went back to tree growing

avg 1 oz per plant not much until u consider there are 255 in each pod under one 630CMH lamp

i welcome any ideas on how i can run this little experiment to get best results thats the goal

i dont aim to prove anything just want to know the answer is longer veg beneficial ???



im not looking for more thc
avg 28% if a person need more than that id suggest concentrates

cheers
 
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hd deuce

Member
mr sunshine said:
Let me get this straight. . You're running an experiment on different vegg times and how that effects potency...and you're going to use clones from a mother plant? Don't see the irony in this situation? They're all always going to be the same age. The mother plant is vegging all day. Cutting a piece of her and vegging another 2 weeks or 3 weeks or 1 day doesn't matter.. it's the same plant same age. Wtf are you thinking? If you did use seeds it still would be flawed because of different phenotypes.
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i understand the pheno types but how else can one figure out then different phone yes is a variable but if the veg time is that much of a difference should it not show top this way

what do u suggest how to run the experiment
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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hd deuce said:
i understand roots are the key

i use 4.5 x 4.5 ' pods 3 ft deep

with mesh shelving very 8 inches inside the pod
with a 5 micron fogger pumping into the pods

the mesh shelves big enough to let roots through but small enough size to inhibit them enough where as they don't fall sgtrainght down this fosters huge root development
as th ebewnefits a a true aero system are exposing the roots to oxygen and cute continuously if they were to be allowed rot just drop a majority of them would would no longer be exposed to max o2 and nutes


i get crazy results this way

normally keep clipping in cloner till they get nice long roots
is about 4 inches height i put them under 400 hd tie they hit 5 nodes 5 nodes is the goal for single cola grows

when they hit five nodes straight to flower

in a 4.5 x 4.5 pod i stuff 255 plants clip all side branches day 6 n day 12 of flower

this give me true single cola growth

36-42 inches of one single donkey dik i can't take credit for this i seen it in u tube video years ago and never went back to tree growing

avg 1 oz per plant not much until u consider there are 255 in each pod under one 630CMH lamp

i welcome any ideas on how i can run this little experiment to get best results thats the goal

i dont aim to prove anything just want to know the answer is longer veg beneficial ???



im not looking for more thc
avg 28% if a person need more than that id suggest concentrates

cheers
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Longer veg will give you bigger plants that produce more bud, But you can compensate by adding more plants. So it just comes down to your style of growing. It can be beneficial, it just depends on the situation.
 
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hd deuce

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mr sunshine said:
Longer veg will give you bigger plants that produce more bud, But you can compensate by adding more plants. So it just comes down to your style of growing. It can be beneficial, it just depends on the situation.
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so im not losing out on thc punch by flowering less mature ladies
 
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hd deuce

Member
mr sunshine said:
Let me get this straight. . You're running an experiment on different vegg times and how that effects potency...and you're going to use clones from a mother plant? Don't see the irony in this situation? They're all always going to be the same age. The mother plant is vegging all day. Cutting a piece of her and vegging another 2 weeks or 3 weeks or 1 day doesn't matter.. it's the same plant same age. Wtf are you thinking? If you did use seeds it still would be flawed because of different phenotypes.
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what about growing out 20 of each for each veg time

then take out the highest and lowest potency plants of each category and the take avg thc %

would this not work ?
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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hd deuce said:
so im not losing out on thc punch by flowering less mature ladies
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How can they be less mature if they are clones from the same mother plant's? Let's just say you're using seeds, when they're immature they won't flower because they are to young. It's like people bro. A 3 year old can't give birth she's gotta grow up first. Plants take 2 months to be mature enough to be able to flower (give birth). Once it's mature "that's two months from seed." It's never going to get younger, clones are the exact same plant so it's as old as that plant . You gotta study how the plant works. You're not completely understanding that your question doesn't really make sense. Longer veg just means bigger plants....
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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hd deuce said:
what about growing out 20 of each for each veg time

then take out the highest and lowest potency plants of each category and the take avg thc %

would this not work ?
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No that won't work. You don't get it. I would just forgot about it it's a dumb question that has no answer. You can trick yourself into thinking you will find an answer but obviously a question that doesn't even make sense. It's actually a question a person asks when they don't understand the basic fundamentals of a Marijuana plant... growing weed doesn't work the way you made yourself believe it did.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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alright my knowledge of botany and cannabis aside....remember this post?
qwizoking said:
not necessarily your lack of understanding the production of thc and other compounds within the vesicle etc and well im sure ill get to that after your next response
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that would seem to go over your head.

anecdotal evidence would ALSO suggest nothing is changing.. to expand on what has been said, i can grow a landrace sativa (love em) if i put it on 12/12 from seed it will not flower until it's "mature"

There are three physiologicaldevelopments that must occur in order for "flowering" to take place: firstly, the plant must pass from sexual immaturity into a sexually mature state (i.e. a transition towards flowering); secondly, thetransformation of the apical meristem function from a vegetative meristem into a floral meristem or inflorescence, this is all visible once you can see sex appear on the plant.. An external stimulus is then required in order to trigger the differentiation of the meristem into a flower. This stimulus will activate mitotic cell division in the meristem, particularly on its sides where new primordia are formed. This same stimulus will also cause the meristem to follow adevelopmental pattern that will lead to the floral growth..bud begins to form

ill try and keep it simple.

so now that the plant is old enough it begins to flower and form buds. this formation is the same on an 8 month old plant,

the buds off that harvest will be the same, say i like that landrace from seed and i choose to leave some foliage after harvest and reveg ie i decrease darkness below the critical night length (back to 18/6 or whatever) and veg for another 2 years. there are no developmental changes and the bud is just as good. this is known by any grower who has done 12/12 from seed to burn through stock and select mothers...,


back to my quote, thc production

thc is produced...
inside the trichomes
Geranyl pyrophosphate and a precursor to olivetolic acid react, a c12 (for pentyl) c10(for propyl)polyketide,then through cyclization yielding olivetolic acid..

then catalyzed by an enzyme to produce cannabigerolic acid along with alkylation .. The production of Thc (and propyl)thcv cbd cbdv and cbc cbcv are controlled by 3 different enzymes Thca synthase being the enzyme converting cbga to thca through an oxidative cyclization of the geranyl group on cbga(of course this is all a bit, well really simplified for y'all) geranyldiphosphate + olivetolate =cannabigerolate + diphosphate.. cannabigerolate + O(2) = Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinolate + H(2)O(2)




these precursors and enzymes can be altered slightly through environmental factors say through uv and the corresponding photoreceptor (uvr8 )
but overall this is predetermined by genetics in the seed.. age of the plant WILL NOT affect what the individual trichome is doing, they are formed on the bud which forms during flower in both cases





i hope this makes sense... be happy i took the time to post this nonetheless and understand i did not copy off of some site, i understand thc's production..if thats atleast adding to some credibility
 
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