Look out superthrive - Organic Competition

deesbarrett said:

I love STP it has alway worked for me...I am on my 3rd bottle.

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would you say that it is way better then super thrive and/or have you ever used super thrive?

I used Super Thrive once...And i didnt see any differece...But the STP After the first use...I noticed a Big difference...I recommend Super Plant Tonic.

cool. I am really thinking about getting some spt. i am just hoping for a little more info.

The Person to ask is Ohsogreen.

Deesbarrett, have you ever pondered on why you only need one drop per gallon for that nasty stuff? thats the thing that scares me about it...its like damn, what do they put in there that its so concentrated and powerful? stuff almost seems radioactive!

I know...i only used it once...And then heard bad things about it...thats why I started using SPT...At least you know what is in it...

true. but dont you find it strange that that ohsogreen spends a huge amount of time promoting somthing the he has "nothing to do with" Not to say anything negitive! and you do you ohso. I have alot of respect for everything that i have read from you and will most likly try SPT.
but.......... with that said all i can think about is my old buddy Al B. Fuct (RIU Legend)kiss-ass saying that superthrive and SPT are a big waste of money and ultimatly make no difference if you do everything else correctly.

Hydrokronics said:

would you say that it is way better then super thrive and/or have you ever used super thrive?

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Honestly, they can't even be compared, two different beasts. Superthrive is a non-organic concoction of vitamins, whereas Super Plant Tonic is a concoction of live microbes and other organic elements. It's those microbes that you're after, too, really and truly. There is no way you're going to get those with Superthrive.

I have NEVER seen the kind of growth burst with Superthrive that I have with SPT. Not even close.

As far as what Al's got to say, I will counter, with all due respect, that growing is just as much art as science. If it were a pure science, then we could all perfectly recreate each other's work, including his, and then maybe the price of a zip might come down. Sad fact of the matter (or happy fact, depending on your perspective) is that we can't. The myriad array of variables makes it nigh impossible. I don't know that he has used SPT in a soil grow, so I don't know that he can make a declarative statement about SPT, because all other things are not necessarily equal. Superthrive, very commonly available, yes, I can see how he could make that statement.

Either way, though, I don't know about the rest of you, but *I* can use all the help I can get and I'll take it from almost any avenue I can find it. I've been nursing my last bottle of the SPT because I don't know when I'll be able to buy more.

And finally, Ohso, whom I consider a friend, has been growing for quite a number of years. He has freely shared a great deal of information. He saved what remained of my grow that was killed after taking the advice of a self-professed knowledgeable grower (I had 25 plants, following that advice killed 22 of them). And then came Ohsogreen. He helped me save those three girls (didn't know they were girls at the time), get them growing again, flowering, and I now have just one of the three left to harvest. So, if you think this is a man with an ulterior motive, I'd like to know how it's so different from other people raving about other products. Do they all have something to gain?

There are many other arenas in life where people treat the information that has taken them decades to acquire as very proprietary. I think that's important to remember.

Seamaiden said:

Honestly, they can't even be compared, two different beasts. Superthrive is a non-organic concoction of vitamins, whereas Super Plant Tonic is a concoction of live microbes and other organic elements. It's those microbes that you're after, too, really and truly. There is no way you're going to get those with Superthrive.

I have NEVER seen the kind of growth burst with Superthrive that I have with SPT. Not even close.

As far as what Al's got to say, I will counter, with all due respect, that growing is just as much art as science. If it were a pure science, then we could all perfectly recreate each other's work, including his, and then maybe the price of a zip might come down. Sad fact of the matter (or happy fact, depending on your perspective) is that we can't. The myriad array of variables makes it nigh impossible. I don't know that he has used SPT in a soil grow, so I don't know that he can make a declarative statement about SPT, because all other things are not necessarily equal. Superthrive, very commonly available, yes, I can see how he could make that statement.

Either way, though, I don't know about the rest of you, but *I* can use all the help I can get and I'll take it from almost any avenue I can find it. I've been nursing my last bottle of the SPT because I don't know when I'll be able to buy more.

And finally, Ohso, whom I consider a friend, has been growing for quite a number of years. He has freely shared a great deal of information. He saved what remained of my grow that was killed after taking the advice of a self-professed knowledgeable grower (I had 25 plants, following that advice killed 22 of them). And then came Ohsogreen. He helped me save those three girls (didn't know they were girls at the time), get them growing again, flowering, and I now have just one of the three left to harvest. So, if you think this is a man with an ulterior motive, I'd like to know how it's so different from other people raving about other products. Do they all have something to gain?

There are many other arenas in life where people treat the information that has taken them decades to acquire as very proprietary. I think that's important to remember.

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First let me say i have nothing but respect for Ohso. I have read TONS of his comments and posts and think that he has TONS of great advice! esp in this thread. And to be honest. I just ordered a bottle of SPT

I didnt mean to be negative, just sceptical. I am concerned with the fact that if i were to stop using superthrive and used SPT along with the cycle of hygrozyme and subculture i am already using. would i already be getting most of the beneficial bac from the subculture? and then would i be losing the vitamins that i get from superthrive? and if i were to use everything, would I be "over doing it" ??

Its kind of a complicated question and Im sorry for being so long winded. I agree with you on the fact that every type and style of grow is different. and just because one works doesnt make it the best or the grower the best. I try to just take everything in carefully

Thank you for your thoughts and you help +Rep

Hydrokronics said:

First let me say i have nothing but respect for Ohso. I have read TONS of his comments and posts and think that he has TONS of great advice! esp in this thread. And to be honest. I just ordered a bottle of SPT

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Ah, did you now? If you can afford to, I agree with the idea of trying something out for yourself.

I didnt mean to be negative, just sceptical. I am concerned with the fact that if i were to stop using superthrive and used SPT along with the cycle of hygrozyme and subculture i am already using. would i already be getting most of the beneficial bac from the subculture? and then would i be losing the vitamins that i get from superthrive? and if i were to use everything, would I be "over doing it" ??

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There is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism, Hydro. My hope was to help counterpoint that skepticism is all.

Those are all very good questions, and my perspective isn't that of a long-time mj grower, it's as a long-time keeper of many other things. Fish, some farm animals, houseplants, exotics, and so on. So, from that perspective my own stance is to keep things as simple as possible. This helps prevent one from overdoing things, for sure. For me, where I need to start mentally is to have a good understanding of the function of each "ingredient" I'm using for my grow and how it works. Once I know that, then I can mix and match well enough. I'm not to that point with Mary just yet, but I was to that point with my fishkeeping skill.

Oh, before I forget, I replaced the more important vitamins (B vitamins) by using leftover beer for some waterings. Not many, just some. That helps with some of the stuff Superthrive has in it (although, I'll be honest, I haven't seen it do such fantastic things with Mary or any of my other garden plants). And, wanna guess who gave me that idea?

Its kind of a complicated question and Im sorry for being so long winded.

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You're apologizing to ME for being long-winded? Good one!

I agree with you on the fact that every type and style of grow is different. and just because one works doesnt make it the best or the grower the best. I try to just take everything in carefully

Thank you for your thoughts and you help +Rep

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Agreed, and question on. It's how I learn things as well, and just being told "this is the way to do it" helps me NOT at all. I need to understand, fully, what's going on.

Now, let's throw something else into the mix: Terra preta, a.k.a. Amazonian dark earth. I'm going to start making some.

Seamaiden said:

Now, let's throw something else into the mix: Terra preta, a.k.a. Amazonian dark earth. I'm going to start making some.

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What does this consist of? Also if Ohso checks in anytime soon i wonder what his veiw of subculture and/or hygrozyme would be. and there reactions to SPT. Thanks again for all your input and knowledge every little bit is useful and helpful.

actually he just answered all my questions about Subculture and Hygrozyme in another thread (uses of SPT)

Seamaiden said:

Now, let's throw something else into the mix: Terra preta, a.k.a. Amazonian dark earth. I'm going to start making some.

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holy cow! i was just doing a bunch of reading on that stuff! the amazing self regenerating soil huh? i looked for days for a website or company to buy it from, but found nothing. i had no idea there was a recipe available? is it the actual way it used to be made, or just something similar? do you possibly have a link or something? i would be forever it debt kiss-ass

Bagelthief said:

Deesbarrett, have you ever pondered on why you only need one drop per gallon for that nasty stuff? thats the thing that scares me about it...its like damn, what do they put in there that its so concentrated and powerful? stuff almost seems radioactive!

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hey sorry Deesbarrett! this was actually directed towards hydro....i know your already on the level looks like hydro is too now....

I've been doing a hell of a lot of searching on it, Bagel, and it's still pretty new. Someone on another forum told me that she uses Cowboy brand 100% wood charcoal and makes that about 5% of her total soil volume. It must be broken up pretty fine, and that seems to be the challenge. I'd first read about terra preta in my Archaeology magazine, but the author stated that no one's really sure how terra preta was made, but that it's clearly anthropogenic (man-made). It's not just biochar (which is what seems to make "true" terra preta, Google biochar), but also a significant volume of bone fragment and pottery material.

I've got a folder with links, but I have to be in the Capitol today and have to leave soon, so no time just yet. Just don't let me forget, ok? Otherwise, I will forget.

hmm. now we just need to figure out where to get human bones...anybody wanna donate??

i wonder if it was only human bones they used...or if it was entire human carcasses that they just let rot in the soil...its pretty crazy that even with some of todays amazingly advanced scientific instruments, we still dont know what some simple and basic soil is comprised of.

I don't think it was human bones. LMAO! Let's hit Donner Summit, should be a few bones.. oh, wait, nevermind, scrap that. I think they ate 'em.

Ok, lemme find my schtuff for you, BagelMeister. Read this article: OpEdNews » Making Terra Preta Soil: Ramona's Recipe for Home-Made Dirt

And, how someone on another forum does it:

Charcoal, natural 100% wood charcoal or homemade. None of the bbq shit most places have. Then smash it up any way you can. I take a bucket and a 2x4, put the char chunks in and put some water, smash smash smash, then sift through a 1/4 inch screen. What is left gets put back in the bucket for more smashing.

Now either add this to your compost pile and skip the whole adding nutrients before you add it, this will increase fertility in your pile as well as hold nutrients instead of them either evaporating as ammonia gas or leeching into the ground from water.

If not, soak in high nutrient (mostly nitrogen as carbon and nitrogen are good friends) water (I use stream water that has fish in it), I also use a mix of nettle, yarrow, dandelion, and other weeds [and also] FPE (fermented plant extract) AFTER it's smashed. And soaked for a few hours to overnight. Strain and use the liquid on the compost pile.

Then mix into your soil, or if you did the compost route, proceed with amending it for your final soil mix (i.e sand, plant meals, rock powders, guanos, etc.) then add some broken clay pots. I crush them with a hammer then sift between an 1 inch and 1/4 inch screen. What is in between gets added [and] what is left is mostly powder and I only add a little as clay compacts and block aeration if you add too much. You can also add bone fragments like ______ does but make sure they are clean!! (i.e no meats or fats)

From there apply a rich compost tea, and either let sit, apply a cover crop, or a grass crop with a myco inoculant. Let sit for some time (remember the older TP is the better it gets) you could use right away if your one of those impatient ppl, but really organics and having no patience do NOT go together.

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YouTube - Official Biochar Tutorial Video

I wish I could go back in time to speak with my great-grandfather, Don Cornelio. He came to Puerto Rico from Spain, literally dirt poor, as a boy. At around age 10 he started his own business making charcoal. From there he scrimped and saved, and ended up one of the richest men on the island. He bought a sugar cane farm, a shoe store, and opened up the first bank in one of the oldest villages in the entire western hemisphere (the town where my grandfather was born has the oldest church in the western hemisphere, Porta Coeli). Thing is, I bet he never forgot how to make charcoal.

As for me, I have a choice and can act on it since it's now officially legal burn season; I can EITHER cut up the downed manzanita we have and try to make biochar from it, or I can use some of the Cowboy brand charcoal we have on hand. I think I'd like to make my own biochar, as we have PLENTY of manzanita and two pines Dave wants to take down (Seamaiden says not until we have trees growing to replace them!), in part because despite being afraid of being burned I like watching fire, and in part because I want those fucking branches OUT of the way, they've been there a year and a half already.

Just got some BMO. Clones 2 weeks old. Will keep u guys updated. Any Advice would help. Thanks

bizzarebud said:

dAMMMMMM....i WANT TO BE A NUkE DEALER...LOL

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there fixed it for ya

Hopefully this will be helpful to someone out there. All of the plants in the pictures have been fead BMO throughout the entire grow. So far so good. I have 2 that are flowering but not in the pics. man are they beautiful

I will say doing my research this is one of the most informative post I have ever came across... I was lurking all night reading comment on here and my question is can you brew your tea with stp?