Looking for an organic solution.

Chief Walkin Eagle

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This is my first indoor grow and pretty much my first grow as well and Im having some minor problems. I know something must be burning my white widow because theres a lot of bright greenish yellow leaf tips, but I think theres more to the problem than that. The only food in my soil is worm castings and bat guano and they make up 1/3 of my soil. Im using Mother Earths organic tea to feed them but I never used that in a while because of the burns so I've been using filtered water (ph is fine btw). The problem slowed down a little bit when I flushed it the first time. I lolipopped my plant last week and fed it straight water and the same problem is happening again. I plan to start flowering in two weeks so I hope to have this problem cleared up by then.

Heres a shitty cellphone picture so you have a better idea of what Im talking about. Theres more color to the pic that the phone doesnt show, the dark spot on that bent leaf is darker in real life.

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neonknight420

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Seems like it would be a lot of guano. I hope you let the guano cook before planting. Uncooked guano globally in your soil at that ratio would prob cook your roots. That shit gets pretty hot when composting.
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Cook as in compost? I didnt know I needed to do that, I thought it came ready to use. I guess thats my problem. My plant is 12 weeks old, will the burning stop anytime soon? The growth has been slow because the drainage in my soil kinda sucks.
 

mrwood

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The only food in my soil is worm castings and bat guano and they make up 1/3 of my soil.
What are the other 2/3 of your soil? what was your base?
Sounds like your soil may be too hot. Too much guano? did not cook prior to use? Your soil is now 12+ weeks old??

I like the idea of trying to correct this prior to flower.
Without more details, I am unclear what to recommend. Your plants seem to like the water; I would stay with that. Consider top dressing with some lime.
You may want to let the leaves grow. I am not a fan of cutting off leaves (e.g., lollipop), and you could use the leaves to monitor your progress.

Good luck with your organic grow !
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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What are the other 2/3 of your soil? what was your base?
Sounds like your soil may be too hot. Too much guano? did not cook prior to use? Your soil is now 12+ weeks old??

I like the idea of trying to correct this prior to flower.
Without more details, I am unclear what to recommend. Your plants seem to like the water; I would stay with that. Consider top dressing with some lime.
You may want to let the leaves grow. I am not a fan of cutting off leaves (e.g., lollipop), and you could use the leaves to monitor your progress.

Good luck with your organic grow !
The base was Sunshine mix 4 aggregate plus. The bag didnt have a whole lot of info on whats in the mix. Mostly peat moss and perlite by the looks of it. It was the only soil at the hydro shop so I figured it was good to go.
Way too much guano now that I think about it. I thought it had a phosphorus deficiency so I mixed in more guano than I should have when I transplanted it last time. Now I know it was my uncooked guano that was the problem. I knew ferts had to be composted but I figured store bought guano was ready to go. The soil I started out in is 12 weeks old but the soil I transplanted in is about 5 weeks old, thats the soil with more guano.

A lot of my leaves are burning now and I dont really know what to do. Is my plant a lost cause? Do I keep my plant in veg hoping that the soil cools down eventually?
 

mrwood

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A lot of my leaves are burning now and I dont really know what to do. Is my plant a lost cause? Do I keep my plant in veg hoping that the soil cools down eventually?
Tough to say. Assuming your soil if off, your plants may not improve.
Your photo should more good than bad. You can always grow this out & get more experience.
If you have time & money, you may learn just as much starting over.
Maybe a 3rd option - cut the root ball and repot into some new mixed soil?


Sunshine should be fine for a base soil. I don't know your receipe, but it may be off where it is going to keep giving you problems. Here is the soil receipe I started with:

Sincerly420's receipe - Per 1.5cubic foot bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest
-32cups Earthworm Casting
-32cups Ancient Forest
-16cups Perlite
-11tsp Rooters Mycorrhizae
*This is your soil base or base soil. The Added EWC and compost just boosts you humus content. The perlite is for aeration. FFOF has some already within, but you'll need to add some to compensate for the added humus(EWC and compost). You can make sort of a judgement call as to how much you wanna you. But a gallon extra should be cool.
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-1.5cups Indonesian Hi-P Bat Guano (.5-13-.2)
-1.5cups Algamin Kelp Meal (1-0-2)
-1.5cups Espoma Tomato Tone (3-4-6)
*Nutritional Amendments. You can bump up to 2cups of Kelp meal, but everything else I'd keep constant as it's worked!
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-4 cups rock dust
-1 cup Azomite
-0.5cup Espoma Green sand
-1 cup Hi-Cal Lime
*Mineral Amendments.
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So, you can see this recipe has 1.5 cups of high P guano per bag of soil.
After 5 weeks, your soil should be cooked. But if your recipe is off, your pH/micro orgs/etc may be off & tough to improve.
Maybe you could cut your soil with another bag of base?

I knew ferts had to be composted but I figured store bought guano was ready to go.
I don't think we are composting guano. I aint no expert, but here is a good explanation I held on to:
First thing is first, when you just dump a bunch of organic matter into a pot you aren't doing shit. Well actually, more often than not all you're adding is shit, but anyway... The whole way that organics work is a process. Once you have organic matter in an area you will attract tiny little bugs that can eat that matter. After they start chowing down, their predators, more tiny bugs, are attracted to the same area. These predators start to eat away at the bugs and the bugs, either through deification or death, exude nutrition into the soil that plants can eat. Plants CANNOT eat organic matter as it is.

What do we know about bacteria and fungi (the tiny bugs)? That their presence and growth is exponential. What does this mean? It means that you will start with 1-100 little critters eating your stuff, and, after a while, you'll end up with millions. You obviously won't have very much nutrition coming from 1-100 little critters, but you will have a sufficient amount coming from millions-billions. This is why soil recipes call for you to WAIT. Just look at subcool's recipe. He says you ought to wait a month, at that point your soil will be full of nutrition and ready to support some plant life.


Good luck with the grow !




 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Tough to say. Assuming your soil if off, your plants may not improve.
Your photo should more good than bad. You can always grow this out & get more experience.
If you have time & money, you may learn just as much starting over.
Maybe a 3rd option - cut the root ball and repot into some new mixed soil
I think Im just gunna grow it out and see what I can get, I am curious about option three though. How would I go about doing that? Sounds pretty devastating for the plant.
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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If I can restore my white widow back to health by replanting into a more balanced soil mix then I will. Putting a few key words in google didnt tell me how to do that though. Would I have to cut away most of the roots? Can I shake away the old soil and replant with the root system intact?
 

dopeydog

Active Member
yes you can shake away dirt. what i do is repot when they are not quite dry but not wet the plants root are easiest to deal with with soil like this. just lightly pull the mass apart with your fingers. the plant can take a little abuse, i will even pull of some roots if it is getting bound. the plant will wilt for a day or two but will spring back when it's roots start growing. i have done this with clones many times, even have ripped most of the roots off (i don't recomend) and they sprung back. i have only done this in veg not with flowering plants.
 
Roots organic regular soil mix!! This will provide you with the proper amendments and nutrients for you to add water only al the way through your veg cycle.
 
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