Looking for Fellow Thinkers

I'm watching the thread loosely, occasionally, just waiting for the haters to walk away and constructive talk to begin. I've been getting up to speed on sustainability and alternative energy sources etc. How to build your own generators, how to power them with wood, etc.

I see what's coming...

Yeah I already do soapmaking/biodiesel. Composting. Mushroom Farming (edibles). And Beer Brewing.

I'm interested in all that, all new to me. Also having never been a vegetarian and always eating canned veggies I'm lost as to what's best for an indoor survival food garden, that's the first info I'd love some links on. I don't have a clue what to do for a balanced diet on veggies alone, where to even find that kind of info when it pertains to limited space and hopefully fast turn around time, or as close to it as possible.

Any society would be deemed to make the same mistakes if God was allowed to flourish..

Society build on ethics and sustainability has to be vegitarian..and stoned..probably..

I live in a city, we have no legal option nor do I have space to raise food animals. I wish I could, I'm a carnivore.

I can't expect to be able to grow outdoors since it would be too limited by my poor climate and the seasons and open to theft or mold or fungus or other issues.

My only option for self sufficient living is to grow whatever food I can in my garage as efficiently as possible using the lights and everything I previously grew weed with.

Sorry guys, like i had stated i am looking for like minded thinkers, as we all think in similar ways (not to get into psychology) i will narrow down what i imply by "like minded thinkers", how about this! you like the idea or concept i am on and would like to join me on a path, send me a friend invite, this way we can all be more acquainted and interested in those that have taken interest, and to those of you that are interested but are weary to join into discussion just continue to drop in and see what progress has been made, and those that have ideas of a potential direction to take don't be shy to post. after all this takes team work. I am a bit busy and i do not make a point to log into riu as much as i should but lets all stay focused that are dedicated to such a direction.

You might encourage discussion by making a list of what you don't want. (Religious nuts/computer zombies?)

Hi I'm Jeff, Granted I am new but I am more than willing to work with you and our team in any projects that can be of any benefit to us. I have so much to learn & I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been smokin since 1962 and have always loved it, now I am finally growing and it is a passion with me, LOL I talk to my babies like they are my kids!
Blessings to all,
Jeff

I ran into some Zendik Farm Tribe guys in 1990,San Diego.I think that was the last three.

I like you r concept but I do not understand what you are expecting to do ?

I couldn't do without meat. I don't think theres anything about ethics that prevents one from eating meat. How one dies isn't nearly as important as how one lives. Treating animals with respect regardless of their function is essential to living with a sense of ethical identity that respects one's environment. What one eats defines the sort of lifestyle of an animal that one supports.

It's always been my frustration with asinine vegan philosophy. By abstaining from eating and buying meat you are not discouraging the industrial farming of animals. Rather it is a choice, a vote, made with money between industrially farm animals and those with freedom, environment and attention that you are abstaining from.

Yes I agree there's nothing unethical about eating meat..Its killing I struggle with ethically, "If there's an alternative food source, How one dies, is important if your getting your throat cut, I'm sure, some should eat meat tho, buy for my daughter, it important that an animal lives well, but I buy responsibly and local, I just cant guarantee it died well..
I don't eat meat due to factory style farming and industrial scale slaughter, your analogy may be true, possibly, but who to trust..I think in regards to the thread, I think I was loosely trying to making a point about violence and killing and god and sustainability in relation to starting again or creating a new community, year zero type thing..as I wonder..sometimes, if that's what the world needs, so your right, people need to eat meat. Just not me.

When discussing the ethical aspects eating flesh, I ask myself how many cattle would there be in the world if we didn't breed them for food? Bison would push them into near extinction in a few centuries. Domestic breeds pay a small price for the privilege of a pampered existence before an easy death, compared to being torn to pieces by wolves.

you's guy's are gettin off topic, think.

I think our weed world is a mess, the biggest being the medical card. Why, why, why do these people give their names and addresses to a bunch of feds that are just going to bust them? After they shut the dispensaries down, of course, sure saves them alot of work. Don't even register, I never will.

Wait until you hear about the seed scam.

Geez, one guy is now looking for a caregiver (dealer) after he gets his card. Like, did this guy get a card just because he thought he could buy some dope from a caregiver, instead of a regular dispensary?

Bison? ..Wolves..? wtf? Medical cards, Not here in the UK..

Animal farms produce huge quantities of greenhouse gases third-world countries could ease their hunger crisis with the widespread adoption of vegetarianism huge resources and calories that could be used for hungry humans are wasted in the production of meat..animals already consume more than half of the world’s crops and animal consumption of crops is expected to increase up to 50% we need to reduce our meat consumption in order to prevent or slow or down climate change.
So its a case that you might enjoy eating meat its not sustainable and uses far to much of the worlds resources so people "will eventually have to reduce the amount of meat they eat.
Farmers should stop rearing meat and start growing Hemp..

Northern Europeans, as a group, don't thrive on a vegan/vegetarian diet. Too many generations eating meat. Our digestive systems have evolved to eat flesh. In the past, I knew several vegans. They were always catching some sort of virus, and looked undernourished.

I purchase beef by the 1/2. Grown organically. Very lean, tender and DELICIOUS.

BTW, people who derive their protein from legumes fart a LOT, just like cattle.

fjkirk said:

Farmers should stop rearing meat and start growing Hemp..

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Rediculous. Where would they get the fertalizer from? Controled composting that extracts methane from animal waste, converts it to fuel and prevents it from becoming a 'greenhouse gas' in the atmosphere is what is needed.

The Greenhouse gas is not all expelled from there butt..its the production and transport of feed and animals around the globe..the water that is used, the effort of making and transporting the feed which is unhealthy for the planet and not sustainable in the long term..

"Northern Europeans, as a group, don't thrive on a vegan/vegetarian diet. Too many generations eating meat. Our digestive systems have evolved to eat flesh. In the past, I knew several vegans. They were always catching some sort of virus, and looked undernourished"
Utter tosh mate..you try eating nothing but meat..human needs a balanced diet and what protein you get from meat can be sourced elsewhere.

fjkirk said:

The Greenhouse gas is not all expelled from there butt..its the production and transport of feed and animals around the globe..the water that is used, the effort of making and transporting the feed which is unhealthy for the planet and not sustainable in the long term..

"Northern Europeans, as a group, don't thrive on a vegan/vegetarian diet. Too many generations eating meat. Our digestive systems have evolved to eat flesh. In the past, I knew several vegans. They were always catching some sort of virus, and looked undernourished"
Utter tosh mate..you try eating nothing but meat..human needs a balanced diet and what protein you get from meat can be sourced elsewhere.

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There's been research done on the subject. I didn't say that meat was 100% of their diet. Only that their digestive system uses meat protein more efficiently. Ask any Eskimo. Hunter/gatherers gathered fruit and other digestible vegetation, in season, and dried what they could, but the largest part of their diet was meat and fish.