Looking for strains to grow with high yield and high thc.

arcalion said:

we talking 1ml/1200ml, the last time ive used it was actually .3ml/1200ml, i used maybe 1/3 of the bottle for my 2 tables of 16 plants, thats practically cured it, i cannot see that little amount doing incredible harm long term to anyone after 90days lol

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would you drink it then? its only mildly toxic. bc thats the same category, spray on your plants and get it through them.

arcalion said:

i cannot see that little amount doing incredible harm long term to anyone after 90days

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Really? Because the opinions and studies that I've read disagree with that.
Can you cite references? Studies?

Did you base your opinion on personal experience?
Have you done any testing?
What is your educational background in chemistry? botany?

Khyber420 said:

What about this scenario. A mother plant infected with PM, so one takes a cutting and then after it roots cures it with eagle and after waiting a month take another utting to create a new mother to preserve your genetics. Valid and safe scenario?

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sounds safe in this case, but can't u bath that cut in H2O2, isolate it and its your new healthy mum?
many insecticides -PACs- poly-hallogenated shit, are dangerous if you intent to become old. Shit sits in your body fat and causes cancer there.
We need to get rid of all these chemicals, stuff can only harm our own biosphere...

Thundercat said:

It would seem very probable, based on what I've read, in only a few generations to notice this issue. I'm honestly surprised we havn't seen alot more of this from all the folks that are selfing auto/fem seeds.

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because thats actually one of the greatest problems in modern agriculture. you simply cant preserve the plants like you would want the same from last year, but thats not going to fly. Natures constantly evolving. Moms age, too.
Think the heterosis-effect at 0.
Then theres this inbred-XXX-penalty where recessiv bad genes become dominant, isnt it?

@HashBucket
well if youre having this fix 8-weeks intervall set, wouldnt it make sense to grow then a fast finishing form like all these "fast" "express" or even "early" strains are. these are often mostly-indica, youd get harder & heavier buds than this flurry hybrid cola u showed some pages around. nice plants though

HashBucket said:

Really? Because the opinions and studies that I've read disagree with that.
Can you cite references? Studies?

Did you base your opinion on personal experience?
Have you done any testing?
What is your educational background in chemistry? botany?

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lol you bring this back up haha, bro 6months after u use 0.001 of a dose itll be gone common sense merry christmas

Thundercat said:

Well good for you have fun working for McDonalds then bud. If your standards are that low and you can live with that congrats.

You are quite wrong about what people want though, they want to get high, not just smoke shit weed with poor effects.

The majority of the market is not looking for boones farms($5) or for the expensive bottles($50). They want something right in the middle(the $15-20 bottle). They also won't keep buying the same $15 bottle if that bottle doesn't get them drunk, and tastes bland. They will find a different $15 bottle that they do like, or they might actually decide hey maybe the $40-50 bottle is actually that much better, not go buy some junky boones farm.

Yes businesses are about making money, but in order to make money you have to have customer retention.

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I think you wrote it better than I could state, growing like this might make money in the shortterm but establishing your brand as the "early chop shop" isn't really what I would be after. Business is business, let them run it into the ground, it's their money.

Lemme just throw this out to as many who want to answer ...
It is hypothetical ... I am not claiming that any numbers I am about to use are for illustration only.

IF you had a job. And it paid $50k per year, and included a nice house to live in, and all utilities for that home. And
IF your boss told you to chop a week early ...
Would you tell him to fack off and not do it?
Would you quit? Or force him to fire you?

Here's another hypothetical situation:
IF you hired a lawyer to defend you on a criminal charge.
And he came to you with a plea bargain.
And you said, "Hell no, I'm innocent."
And he went to the DA and told her that you accepted the offer.
Would you fire him for not doing the job you hired him to do?

Now, there is two situations. One in which you are the employee.
The other the employer.
How would you handle those two situations?

Kassiopeija said:

@HashBucket
well if youre having this fix 8-weeks intervall set, wouldnt it make sense to grow then a fast finishing form like all these "fast" "express" or even "early" strains are. these are often mostly-indica, youd get harder & heavier buds than this flurry hybrid cola u showed some pages around. nice plants though

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thank you
But they're not my plants
I'm just the babysitter
I don't have the power to make decisions in regards to their rearing ...

But, to answer your question: You are preaching to the choir. I am a believer in what you say. I just can't change what is. That's life.

HashBucket said:

thank you
But they're not my plants
I'm just the babysitter
I don't have the power to make decisions in regards to their rearing ...

But, to answer your question: You are preaching to the choir. I am a believer in what you say. I just can't change what is. That's life.

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Yeah, I get it, just frustrating I suppose. Im guessing strain selection is done based on what name brand is selling for more than any other reason.

HashBucket said:

Lemme just throw this out to as many who want to answer ...
It is hypothetical ... I am not claiming that any numbers I am about to use are for illustration only.

IF you had a job. And it paid $50k per year, and included a nice house to live in, and all utilities for that home. And
IF your boss told you to chop a week early ...
Would you tell him to fack off and not do it?
Would you quit? Or force him to fire you?

Here's another hypothetical situation:
IF you hired a lawyer to defend you on a criminal charge.
And he came to you with a plea bargain.
And you said, "Hell no, I'm innocent."
And he went to the DA and told her that you accepted the offer.
Would you fire him for not doing the job you hired him to do?

Now, there is two situations. One in which you are the employee.
The other the employer.
How would you handle those two situations?

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Well, tbh, seeing as you are based in Cali..... that is way below my asking rate, I'd find something else to do. It's why I left the restaurant business, too many idiots that don't understand quality trying to dictate to the one guy who knows what he needs. I understand the appeal for others, but I wouldn't want to be beholden to anyone for that little. I wouldn't really want my employer involved in my housing or utilities I'd rather just get the wages straight up.

Now, if you are similar to most californians in the quasi-legal status of immigration, I could CERTAINLY see the appeal as your other employment options are rather limited for other fields. You also get the benefit of housing utilities etc without having them tied to your name.

sandman83 said:

wouldn't want to be beholden to anyone for that little.

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So, your vote is ... to quit.
But - it sounds like your pride IS for sale.
You said, you wouldn't do it for so little money
How much? How much would it cost me to have you harvest a garden in 8 weeks?
What's your price?

It is a personal decision.
We all make em, every day.

sandman83 said:

I get it, just frustrating I suppose.

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Sometimes, yea. Trying to convince someone of something that is obvious and just having them lock-up on you ... yea.

Ever been in the military? Follow orders, right?
"Really boss. Those red main stems are because of a Mag deficiency. We need a couple of treatments of Cal-Mag."
"Do what I tell you to do or go home. Stick to the program."
"Yessir."

HashBucket said:

Lemme just throw this out to as many who want to answer ...
It is hypothetical ... I am not claiming that any numbers I am about to use are for illustration only.

IF you had a job. And it paid $50k per year, and included a nice house to live in, and all utilities for that home. And
IF your boss told you to chop a week early ...
Would you tell him to fack off and not do it?
Would you quit? Or force him to fire you?

Here's another hypothetical situation:
IF you hired a lawyer to defend you on a criminal charge.
And he came to you with a plea bargain.
And you said, "Hell no, I'm innocent."
And he went to the DA and told her that you accepted the offer.
Would you fire him for not doing the job you hired him to do?

Now, there is two situations. One in which you are the employee.
The other the employer.
How would you handle those two situations?

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I wouldn't work for Mc Donalds in the first place...but if the job paid well enough sure I would keep it until I found a better job where my skills and knowledgeable opinion were appreciated. I stopped doing corporate bullshit work years ago. Until recently that meant I wasn't making much money(a choice), but my integrity and skills were worth more then I was getting paid. I turned down a salary management position because they only wanted to pay me about 50k, but I had to work 55+ hours a week, no thanks I love my family.

Now I work for a company that appreciates my skills, opinions, ideas and also compensates me well. It's definitely the best job I've ever had, I had to work and sacrifice to get here, and I had to really dig around/wait for the right opportunity.

The second scenario is irrelevant. I really can't picture a lawyer doing that since they get paid to do what you want..... Is the lawyer also going to falsify the paperwork for the plea bargain, and forge your signature?

I worked in management for years. Obviously employees need to follow instruction, however, I wouldn't be a very good manager if I ignored beneficial advice no matter who shared it with me. It's common for employees to see things that perhaps we can't while in a management position.

HashBucket said:

So, your vote is ... to quit.
But - it sounds like your pride IS for sale.
You said, you wouldn't do it for so little money
How much? How much would it cost me to have you harvest a garden in 8 weeks?
What's your price?

It is a personal decision.
We all make em, every day.


Sometimes, yea. Trying to convince someone of something that is obvious and just having them lock-up on you ... yea.

Ever been in the military? Follow orders, right?
"Really boss. Those red main stems are because of a Mag deficiency. We need a couple of treatments of Cal-Mag."
"Do what I tell you to do or go home. Stick to the program."
"Yessir."

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I have no pride in working for a living, it is just a job. I understand, I don't think the risk for this field is worth that but I understand it is for others. To each their own. I have left jobs before under poor supervision, if you don't listen to your employees you aren't much of a boss. Sounds like they are giving you the same choice and no one can know if it's worth it but you. Jobs aren't a way of life for me just a means to an end.

I don't believe there is a price I would garden for as I don't do it for money or professionally, it is just a hobby for myself. Hobbies aren't profitable or successful based on how much or little I make from it, just if I had fun and got what I wanted out of it. Chopping at 8 weeks for a 10 week strain would just be hurting myself as I'd be the one smoking that crappy grassy bud.

Thundercat said:

t until I found a better job where my skills and knowledgeable opinion were appreciated.

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I am always lookin' ....

Thundercat said:

Now I work for a company that appreciates my skills, opinions, ideas and also compensates me well.

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Me too! But, I don't own the company. I get listened to, and sometimes my ideas are executed ... sometimes not.

Thundercat said:

The second scenario is irrelevant. I really can't picture a lawyer doing that since they get paid to do what you want

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I get paid for doing what my boss wants too. Just like the lawyer.

Thundercat said:

Now I work for a company that appreciates my skills, opinions, ideas and also compensates me well. It's definitely the best job I've ever had, I had to work and sacrifice to get here, and I had to really dig around/wait for the right opportunity.

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lol you hit the jackpot, I'll settle for a company that pays well with benefits and I can tolerate. There are things I'd rather be doing with my time but they don't pay nearly as well and I'd rather retire early than work longer.

Kassiopeija said:

sounds safe in this case, but can't u bath that cut in H2O2, isolate it and its your new healthy mum?
many insecticides -PACs- poly-hallogenated shit, are dangerous if you intent to become old. Shit sits in your body fat and causes cancer there.
We need to get rid of all these chemicals, stuff can only harm our own biosphere...

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I'm not sure if the H2O2 will completely eradicate mold that's inside the plant tissue of the clone, inside as in past the epidermal layer. I'm no scientist, but I assume systemic are like antibiotics whereas h202 is the equivalent of a topical lotion.

But no doubt this shit is toxic so it's hard to say if it's worth saving a mother plant vs just re-seeding. Definately emergency only, from a consumption point of view i'd just toss the plant, even if it's in veg. Not worth the risk.

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to support the plants immunsystem. AFAIK fungus takes hold in a plant by injecting toxins into the plant material to weaken the tissue. theres hormones ASS/willowbarkextract which increase the immune response and silicium acids can harden cellwalls against infection. if its readily available in the substrate plants will use in favour of C. Maybe the plant can starve it out. I also think that because H2O2 has a strong redox-potential, it will create cellular damage even deeper bc the solution gets partially sucked in. At a higher concentration its toxic for all life. You can actually wreck a plant if you overdo it. But all it takes is just one small healthy noninfected leaf and itll grow back.

Kassiopeija said:

wonder if it would be worthwhile to support the plants immunsystem

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One of the best ways to do that is to use silca as a supplement.