Looking to up my bubble game!

Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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And i still doubt someplace like microsoft relies on a phresh filter :)

Thats what i think of when i hear clean room excuse me
 
Cold$moke

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HydroEnthused said:
Clean room classifications are described in Wikipedia. Using a little common sense, if a carbon filter is running for a little while you are going to shake loose any fine carbon and there will be none left to clog your air stones. Why is that so hard to believe? Carbon filters are absolutely used for clean rooms.
Simply go to a clean room Supply website and check for yourself. But if you could just accept this to be true (because it is, what a failure the carbon pellet filter would be if it constantly threw out enough carbon to blacken the walls of the exhaust ducts it were connected to) you could achieve perfect nearly maintenance free (but certainly fail safe and failure proof) aeration. Or you could keep running that blower of yours without a flow meter or positive pressure clean air supply jacket and increase your blower maintenance hours tenfold at least.
I figure you are already running the blower so why not do a little work to eliminate a TON of work in the future? I was at your level back in 2009 and if I was lucky enough to have somebody who has spent at least 250K on operations give me their utmost secret, I would be
1.) Curious, not dismissive
2.) Skeptical but not dismissive
3.) Eventually greatful and thankful because if you try to run my method you will never go back because it is the only way to guarantee that nearly exactly the same of aeration takes place in each container (the flow meters show the exact output of each air stone and when you open the valve of each flow meter to 100% you automatically get even disbursement. No need to adjust or calibrate any valves by eye, because that is not an acceptable way to measure the air output.
Try it before you knock it. You have the blower. You are on the right track. Keep pushing for perfection. I achieved and so can you. Ironically, the best aeration method is also extremely maintenance free. The best of both worlds. When you control the output of each air stone, there is no chance of an air stone clogging due to lack of pressure to break through the diffuser.
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How do you know how im set up?
 
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Cold$moke said:
Easy

Water is not difficult to saturate with disoveld oxygen

Make sure your flow through the root ball is sufficient is the main goal

Make sure your circ times are good enough
And you could just aerate via top feed waterfall
No stones or pumps :) better aeration
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But this method you speak of can fail abruptly (and almost always does) because the root ball will eventually wind up in the pipe feeding the water pump.
 
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Cold$moke said:
How do you know how im set up?
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I know that you have a blower because you want to “...up [your] bubble game”

Also, there are so many different ways to achieve clean room air. Phresh filter will be acceptable if it uses the same pellet size as canfan brand. This is what works for me. You are correct that fine carbon particles can be a problem and they most certainly are on the first day that you commission a carbon filter, if you do not tap loose all the fine particles created in the manufacturing and shipping process. But after that there are no more fine particles left to clog the air stone diffusers.
No need to be concerned with how Microsoft achieves a particle free work space. All you need is a tiny carbon pellet filter, 4” fan , a 20 gallon round brute trash can, 2 Rubbermaid brute bins (to enclose the blower) some foam boards to make a sealable cover for the trash can enclosed filter with fan attached above the foam lid,silicone,foam weatherstrip to be sandwiched by the two Rubbermaid bins to enclose the blower, flex fix duct tape, 4” duct to go between the fan/filter trash can and the double bin enclosed blower, 4-3” pvc male adapters (mpt x soc) necessary hose and adapter for connection to air stones with a bulkhead fitting to penetrate the blower enclosure to feed air to the air stones without breaking the seal of your positive pressure clean air blower jacket.
Don’t forget to use an array of air flow meters (eBay 13 bucks each) to feed each air stone and don’t be afraid to use plenty of soft silicone tubing in conjunction with 3/8” LLDPE tubing and all the John Guest brand fittings to make a perfect transition from blower to flow meter manifold to each individual air stone.
Even with the whole plan laid out in my posts I still think it will take 5 yrs for you to achieve because you are still hung up on what Microsoft uses to achieve an acceptable space for hard disk manufacture.
You want to up your bubble game. I gave you the answer. It don’t come easy. It takes work and plenty of money to up your game but that’s life. You should simply feel fortunate that after nearly a decade of hoarding this secret I am willing to give it to you for free.
 
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Cold$moke

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I utilize many methods of aeration to give my plants redundant operation.

I could operate on each independent system if i needed to (pump fail)
 
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Cold$moke, I mistook you for the OP. My humblest apology for that. Earlier in the thread you mentioned that it’s just a matter of keeping the blower clean. You mentioned the Alita 40 or 60.
Your method is to allow the dirt to buildup in the air pump,air hose and bottom side of the diffuser. My method is to stop the dirt from entering in the first place. Why is that too much to grasp?
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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HydroEnthused said:
Cold$moke, I mistook you for the OP. My humblest apology for that. Earlier in the thread you mentioned that it’s just a matter of keeping the blower clean. You mentioned the Alita 40 or 60.
Your method is to allow the dirt to buildup in the air pump,air hose and bottom side of the diffuser. My method is to stop the dirt from entering in the first place. Why is that too much to grasp?
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Agreed i run an alita 40

But mine is fan cooled and right next to the fresh air intake ..

I would not claim its cleanroom status .

But i surely dont need any help :)

Your method isnt to much to grasp your claims are :) no disrespect.

As long as people dont have there fan sitting in filth its fine (though some are more filthy then others.


But to say air stones are the end all be all sorry not in my book .

My next system will not use an air pump at least not a big one :)
 
Cold$moke

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You can give your air supply filterd air

To do so would not be dumb .


Your just trying to make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread and the only thing filterd air will provide is a better chance of not getting an air born root pathogen :)
 
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rkymtnman said:
he's got his shit talking game figured out
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No shit talk. I explained it rather well. My first dive into hydro was with the waterfall method and no matter what you risk a root clog. My method cannot be clogged by roots no matter what. “Waterfall. end of discussion is not a reasonable counter argument”. Not a reasonable debate whatsoever.
Waterfall cannot work if you have 36 separate containers with no common plumbing to join them. Why don’t you understand that. Waterfall is only possible if the bins are connected. Mine are not. For good reason. To eliminate all possibility of root clog issues. With waterfall there is a possibility of roots clogging the pump. With air stone, not at all if the stone is fed clean air within a totally soluble nutrient solution.
That’s a reasonable argument. That’s not shit talk.
 
Cold$moke

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I understand everything you have tried to say perfectly.


But your not convincing someone who actively uses waterfalls .


True you would need to do some actual plumbing work .

But who the fuck wants to tend to 36 dwc sites?




In my system i get 30 complete circulations an hour via waterfall .

My airstones are there cuzz it gives me warm fuzzy feelings not much more :)
 
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