Lowryder 2 help plants seem to be fading fast.

i have three lowyryder 2 plants in a 18 gal tote container DWC with 5 100w led bulbs and 2 2700k CFL bulbs a cheap desk fan for circulation about to go get another one, using fox farm nute trio, now on half grow big half tiger bloom with additions of Epsom salt bushdoctor rootbooster, and the big bloom from fox farm. one is stunted and has been from the start with massive amounts of brown and yellow spots, the other two big ones seem to be showing slight light or nutrients burn not quite sure but they have a few leaves whose tips are turning brown and then they are developing these spots where if i put my finger on one side i can see my skin tone through the leaf. Please help i treated with superthrive about 24 hours ago give or take. i know the bottle says to give it two days but it wasnt until i added it that the two big ones started to look sick other than the possible light/nute burn.

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yo to be honest its to much nutes and now where near enough light....if your going to put in the time into it drops some cash and gets some real lights, also why are you wasting our time with auto flower indoors??? thats more fore growers outdoors growing in the summer months in Washington state and canada for example. auto flower has little benefit indoors & is not worth the effort in my opinion. normal genetics yield more and are more potent. thats a fact.

pandorasboxg said:

yo to be honest its to much nutes and now where near enough light....if your going to put in the time into it drops some cash and gets some real lights, also why are you wasting our time with auto flower indoors??? thats more fore growers out doors growing in the summer months in Washington for example. auto flower has little benefit indoors & is not worth the effort in my opinion. normal genetics yield more and are more potent. thats a fact.

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Sorry man you just sound stupid unless you can come with some intelligent thought and actual facts please don't post again

ok i guess i wont try and help you. keep using the cfl's and domestic leds, auto flower. the shit i said is true.. plants need about 150 watts per plant look it up it comes from ed rosenthals book! also look up auto flowers they are in fact smaller, lower yield and potency as well as having different growing conditions, also in the same book as well as light co2 and nute ratio. here are some test results from auto''s just in case you don't believe the book. http://analytical360.com/m/expired/214316
http://analytical360.com/m/expired/175049
http://analytical360.com/m/expired/147800
here are some normal genetics with out ruderalis
http://analytical360.com/m/flowers/285643
http://analytical360.com/m/flowers/285634
http://analytical360.com/m/flowers/285650
so there are my facts on auto flowers and such. purchase the book do some reading like i did. i don't get why you ask for help with something your admitting you don't know about (or you wouldn't be posting in here) then you call them stupid instead of a thanks. my garden looks great and yours doesn't. im not here looking for help im helping sorry you didn'tt get the answer you wanted but its still true. address some of you equipment genetic inadequacies. i honestly could help you more . but i honestly don'[t really care about the success of your garden, especially now

also in pic #2 in the second set it looks like powdery mildew forming or you spilled nutes or something on your plants and never cleaned it off like a retard. but its hard to tell. good luck

pandorasboxg said:

also in pic #2 in the second set it looks like powdery mildew forming or you spilled nutes or something on your plants and never cleaned it off like a retard. but its hard to tell. good luck

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Man im just a broke kid trying to do the best i can im sorry by insulting you. maybe i am a retard with a shitty garden thatll die and maybe your the master that has pounds growing at all times but im gonna keep growing cuz its all i got so i appreciate the advice and the help. the only reason im looking at autos is because i dont have room for anything taller than 3 or 4 feet, maybe this just shows my inexperience and only further proves your point of my being a retard but based on the research i have done this seemed to be the best option and again maybe that just proves that im a retard. Again thanks for your time and advice i will heed your words.

well not saying your a retard you said i am. but yes i hit the legal limit with my grows all the time and your not. with 3-4 feet of space you not leaving a lot of room for bud after you factor in lights and a pots. that being said you might get something good doing lst plants under led. your going for worlds smallest grow here but i can be done. but trust me if your going to do it and spend the time on it do it right or just suck it up and buy your own. i promise either way you will be happier. weed needs a lot of light and novices usually over estimate the power of their light. becuase its bright to your eyes doesn't mean much. one example is under hps my grow room appears darker than mh but its an illusion my brain is not seeing all the wave lengths in the room. fix your lights and your problems will probably go away. p.s like i said stop spilling nutes on the leaves you dont have much of them.

Thank you for continuing to give me advice. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't to far into their growth to start LST now, if not then I'll try and see what happens. Unfortunately I can't afford new lights for two weeks so I took down the domestic LEDS and put in 3 5000k CFLS and 2 2700k since according to the schedule that this strain is supposed to follow they should be starting flower relatively soon. I know that still isn't enough but at least they are they right kind of bulb that others have successfully grown with. I will continue to update on the changes.

You can lst into flower without problems. Just be careful when they start to flower as the branches harden up anf break more easily. Leave the leds up they do work better than cfls.you probably have enough light for 1 plant but try and get another 5 cree a19 9, 5 watt bulbs and keep them all close.

Thank you however i am now starting to see white pistils grow the first sign of flowering so im skeptical about LST on the big two but due to grower error (no surprise from anyone im sure lol) i broke the main stem on one and have tapped it and added the bottom part of a hanger for support. i ve read that people sometimes to this on purpose its called super cropping, which i also read is bad for autos so we shall see if she can recover. other than that she looks fine the other big girl has a few spots on some leaves and a little burn on some of the edges. i have added back only one 100w domestic led for now as i havent gotten the rigging figured out to get all the lights that i have and want, to fit in the tent. i have new pictures, i have separated the smallest third one (not sure if you could see in pervious pic) into a five gallon bucket with an air pump and have added very little nutrients at this point until i get some input or i see improvement or further decline. But im sure the stunted state is due to a combination of genetics since the other two are much bigger and absolutely grower error again but im not giving up on her unless someone says its a lost cause.

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well not saying your a retard you said i am. but yes i hit the legal limit with my grows all the time and your not. with 3-4 feet of space you not leaving a lot of room for bud after you factor in lights and a pots. that being said you might get something good doing lst plants under led. your going for worlds smallest grow here but i can be done. but trust me if your going to do it and spend the time on it do it right or just suck it up and buy your own. i promise either way you will be happier. weed needs a lot of light and novices usually over estimate the power of their light. becuase its bright to your eyes doesn't mean much. one example is under hps my grow room appears darker than mh but its an illusion my brain is not seeing all the wave lengths in the room. fix your lights and your problems will probably go away. p.s like i said stop spilling nutes on the leaves you dont have much of them.

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I have made some modifications to my tent and the plants are now in their first week of flower and i have a problem now with i think calcium or magnesium. the leaves are yellowing and falling off and have black spots near the veins. it is quickly moving up the two bigger plants. any advice or comments are greatly appreciated.

i would agree its early stagea of cal mag that are possibly inhibiting nutes...you might be just short on nutes in general