LP's and Wannabee's Get Your Own Forum-Don't post on the PATIENT forum

Status
Not open for further replies.

spider9

Well-Known Member
Where were you guys last week, I could have used a good workout.

You know where I stand, I think it is funny that the best non MMPR subject you have is eliminating MMPR discussions.

Bring on something more interesting than how canadian patients are dealing with the changes, or in other words the MMPR, we all vote with our posts and views.

True colors shinning through WHATFG! tch tch tch... really aligning yourself with the likes of Cannadan, Spider9, Doobious1, Martyg, and BCOGYoda.

I liked you better as an independent with an open mind.

Spider9 is my #1 bitch, she is into quantity and not quality, if it wasn't for me (pimp) she would give it away for free, and don't you just love the naughty mouth on her!!
for your info KG my script was just renewed and my doctor wanted to increase it but I declined that offer as my 3 grams a day does me just fine I do not need more so how does that make me want quantity not quality you have no clue what your talking about.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
kOOT...WHY YOU ALWAYS GOTTA DRAG MY NAME BACK INTO THE FRAY.....
LOL
I'm starting to think you like me....
I am happy to be aligned with this bunch of guys/gals(patients) you listed...they are all upstanding people in my humble opinion...
and all fighting for a noble cause
The rest of you are what you are, Mosquitos.......swat
 

ThirstyRoss

Well-Known Member
I feel like I'm standing in front of my mother and she's shaking her finger at me. Do you honestly think that patients want to hear about all your business plans? And it's not just you. I think I'm in pretty good company. At least these guys are trying to help me not bend me over and have their way!

I would like to hear about LP business plans, so yeah, some patients do want to hear that. How about you shut up, stop pretending you are a big man that owns this forum (again, you do not/are not!), and just ignore the threads you don't want to read so we don't have to listen to your moaning.


You're awfully full of yourself, if you think you can speak for all Canadian patients. People like you are setting back the cause, not helping it!


Stop being a whiny crybaby, learn some critical thinking skills, also maybe how to speak english, and come back and engage in some meaningful discourse. Until then people like you are only setting the medical cause back.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
thanks
thirsty/punky for your meaningful discourse, every post of yours is no more than you chastising someone....
Do you actually enjoy yourself....trying to raise the guile of sick people?
I bow my head in shame you might be Canadian.
 

Hazydat620

Well-Known Member
I will gladly go to jail before supporting the new Lp system. research Calgary Alberta court case in 2007 where a patient charged with giving away 2 oz to other patients who did not have their lic. was given 4 months in jail but did not have to report to jail until the prison system arranged a way for him to receive and smoke his meds. I will go to jail and they can pay for my meds as I am on Canada pension my pension keeps on coming in even if I am behind bars. but I believe he never did have to report to jail so lets go I am ready.
That's Bad Ass.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
I feel there is no I... in Canadian when it comes to Canadian patients just a We,
We all have had to put up with a lot...to see that We get our meds...
as long as We stay united We will overcome....
 

canadiankushman

Well-Known Member
Every union requires solidarity, companies (in this case, governments) try to corrupt that unions solidarity simply by "promoting from within". I see it every day..

I personally love growing my meds, it is therapeutic, cost effective, and I get precisely the strains I need. This has been taken from me and everyone else like me. I fail to see how this is progress.

Ck
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
Every union requires solidarity, companies (in this case, governments) try to corrupt that unions solidarity simply by "promoting from within". I see it every day..

I personally love growing my meds, it is therapeutic, cost effective, and I get precisely the strains I need. This has been taken from me and everyone else like me. I fail to see how this is progress.

Ck
there is so much truth in this statement
Thank you
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
I gotta admit Canadan, your are dear to me, at least you use common sense in your nay saying.

The listed are all no doubt, outstanding individuals who are obviously passionate about marihuana. I genuinely like Doobious1 's take on things. I even agree most of the time with them.

For me it is about putting the blame for all this bullshit on the right people. Blaming LP wannabe's is ridiculous, and over months of debating this have yet to get a satisfactory answer to why they are the enemy? Sometimes I think this gang just needs sombody to blame who listens, unlike HC.

When you say the thread is for patients only, no LP wannabe's, I found that offensive while wearing either hat. But I let you guys roll around in your pity fest, I felt left out but I understood that you guys needed a place to talk about "canadian patients" stuff without any MMPR interruptions.

But then you took pity on me and all decided to let SPIDER9 invite me on page two (thanks guys), I really appreciate it. I promise to not mention MMPR, oops.

Gee what do we talk about on this forum other than wannabes and the Evil MMPR,oops?

When I think of something else to talk about, if your lucky, i'll be back.
 

canadiankushman

Well-Known Member
Hey Koot, I think the thing that burns the average Joey "med user" Canadian is the fact that if we dont adhere to the bullshit rules, we are outlaws. All we want, for many various reasons, is to produce our own stuff.

Myself, being a member of a labor Union, feel like I've been screwed over by "SCABs". Scabs are the non-unionized workers that companys bring in to keep their operations going when their Union labor is on strike. In this case, the "company" (government) sold us all out to the corporations (scabs) just so they could make a buck off the marijuana market. I feel like my "Unions" solidarity has been betrayed.

If we (med users & LP's/ mmpr "wannabe's") had the required honor and solidarity to band together , like a strong labor union, against the governments mmpr, by "striking"(not preticipating and not purchasing) we could effectively cause the market to upset due to the suppliers inability to move their product (this is not a recreational market remember). If the Canadian gov really wants a recreational MJ market, they should just go ahead and legalize MJ and create a freemarket that way instead of using the patients to pave the road to their eventual 16 billion dollar freemarket..

All we want is our cake and the to be allowed to eat it too. If the government was really concerned for the well being of the patients in the program, the government would not demand us to destroy our stashes come march 31.. It's blatantly obvious that this is a money issue and nothing more. It's also obvious that the prospective producers (big and small) are concerned more about their margins than helping the sick because they will price their product accordingly so as to remain competitive in the market instead of making their product affordable to those who are barely above or are below the poverty line, as is the majority of those enrolled in the current program. I have yet to see a not-for-profit or a non-profit producer, someone who cares first about helping others instead of themselves.

Perhaps you will be the saviour? The one who puts her own self interests second to the well being of the sick? No profit, just enough revinue generated to keep afloat...

Bare with me now,

At one point in my life, I thought it would be a dream job to be a pro hunter, like the ones on tv. My second most passionate hobby is hunting and I thought life could t get any better than to travel the world hunting all kinds of critters. Those professional "sportsmen" claim to be all about conservation, all the while traveling the globe killing many animals every week! I realized that these people are only hiding behind the "cloak" of conservation just so no one questions their true motives. To me they are not a true sportsman. A true sportsman only takes from nature what is required. I think this analogy can be almost directly applied to the "wannabe LP's". They say that they are here to help, but in reality they are only looking to help themselves while hiding behind the "cloak" of helping the sick.

Weed is on almost every street corner despite the efforts of the government to rid Canada of it, and almost everyone knows someone who can get it if they aren't able. I hate to see the cannabis "oppressors" (government) profit off of OUR medicine after being such a war monger towards MJ, using the legal system and prosecution to fund other agendas, while not worrying about the lives of canna users; ruined by government policy.

Without solidarity we are powerless to the machine.

Ck.
 

j0yr1d3

Well-Known Member
Exactly! Patients are not the concern of this program. Was any patient advocacy group consulted during the drafting of these regulations? I seriously doubt it. Far as I can tell it was just the RCMP and HC and some useless politicians.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Exactly... as I've said in a previous post, our greatest weapon is non-compliance. Without patients as captive consumers, the MMPR and with it the LP's will fail. It will be rather entertaining to read the comments from the LP's on March 18th when they realize their dream of getting rich off the backs of the sick is dead. I was self employed for most of my working life so I am not a union guy, but I really like the analogy of a LP vs. scab. Probably decent people who see an opportunity to make money, but doing so at the expense and to the detriment of those who currently grow their own is wrong.
 

canadiankushman

Well-Known Member
Here is your chance to join Local 420 United Canadian Medical Patients Union. We will not buy commercial meds! Unique strains for unique pains!
image.jpg
Ck.
 

canadiankushman

Well-Known Member
Joyrider- The only "special interests groups" who were consulted by the government were the groups with "special interests".. The groups who's budgets will no doubt get a hike in cash flow, the groups who can now legally sell a commodity which is all new to the market. Every group except the ones that really matter, US! Why? We have no representation.. We have no group lobbying, in any effective way, with our interests in mind. The program failed because some of the DG's were selling legal buds, illegally. There were 3405 DG's in Canada in 2012. If a third of these people were dirty, the government couldn't catch 1100 criminals. I would bet that less than 1/3 were doing it.. There were over 18000 personal production liscences in 2012.

Here's another analogy for u folks, if you had 18000 drivers, and if 1100 of them were terrable, wreckless, drunk driving, lowlifes would you revoke everyone's liscences?

Shame on you Harper..

Ck.
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
First, marihuana is spelled with an h in Canada and I would think the Canadian Kushman would be aware of that.

Now you know that this union business is ridiculous, you need to fight for something, not just against something, if you want to be successful. An LP boycott is an interesting idea, but is easily shredded upon reflection as not inclusive to all marihuana patients for starters, any movement in my opinion needs to include 100% of the patients. You cannot force all patients to break the law, some people will not on simple moral grounds alone. Other non starters make this idea unattainable. On top of that no LP or wannnabe supports the decision to disallow personal grows. Let's get back to fighting for the legalization for all, and end this bullshit forever! Let's call it Sativa Day and time it for voting day.

Everything in moderation, including Unions.

Asking for growers to keep growing in an act of civil disobedience, if well informed of the possible consequences, I support. This will prove difficult I think after listening to Conroy talk about the consequences. Land is far too expensive to risk for average growers to openly defy the law. IMO that would be asking too much and should be on a volunteer basis only with out any expectations from others.

Then we need to rally to these few volunteers support when the swat team arrives. Remember the anti-MMPR turnout, not good, would not count on too much open support from this "cannabis culture", then spread what support you get out across the second biggest country in the world and it is weak at it's very best. We would have better luck plugging up the courts, IMO.

Blaming LP's is a knee jerk reaction that is unfair. You guys even show that you know who is to blame, hurting all LP's does not teach HC anything, it just provides more fodder for the law. Wasting energy against this takes away from the real fight and continues to divide any efforts. Some patients will need LP's. Each LP needs to be judged on it's own merits. So far we have a cluster fuck of those that can't grow quality, and those that don't have any, with some Americans/Netherland connection that is anti Canadian IMO. I'm biased cause I'm Canadian and it would be like importing wheat or timber here in BC.

Non Profit. These are very big words. How about transparency instead? I say this from a place of very clear understanding of the big picture, from the inside. First the cost of implementing an application is simply enormous and keeps growing everyday, this is underestimated everyday on this forum from naysayers and wannabes alike. What is my risk?

Personally we have decided to uproot our kids from their life long home and schools, risk their inheritance and our retirement too. Liquidating our current life to put ourselves in a position to even be able to participate. We will take a big hit to our standard of living in the process.

Now how do we say we are non profit when we will need to earn enough to still put our kids through college, we won't want to live in a trailer forever, we will have debt to pay off and technology to keep up to, never mind that constant expansion seems to be the only way to survive. So how does that hunting analogy work now?

Transparency is the only way I see that allows me to pull out what I put in over time and be rewarded for the risk we have taken. Non profits will fail unless all these and other factors can be put into the equation.

You explain to me what you think is "fair and just" for me, and define "non Profit". Really, go for it, use me as an example, I am interested in how you see all this. We will be investing over 750K of our 1,000K in worth. What chance do you give our success? What would justify a patient to buy from me, in your opinion?
 

canadiankushman

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the spelling lesson Koot, I am aware though of how the Canadian gov prefers to see MariHuana spelt on their propaganda. Force of habit I suppose.. Regardless, making light of my error is only petty semantics.

Unions do not fight against company's, they fight FOR their members interests. If company's try to stand in the way of improvements to the Unions members working conditions( in our case, Patients standard of living), then bargaining and/or lobbying will be commenced. If those tactics fails, a strike will ensue. Solidarity between members is the key to Union power.

The fact of the matter is, because of a few bad apples, the powers that be, threw everyone under the bus. We have no voice or the organization needed to have any serious sway on the decision making that effects us (the ones that these hasty decisions effect most).

I do not expect Members to break the law, if they do not wish. They should however be informed of the full market value of our medicine, whatever coloUr that market may be in our country.. I do have some ideas for systematically lowering the price of our meds by urdging adheasion to strict solidarity and by using the buying power of the Union's members and laws of simple economics. I plan to eventually release a manifesto outlying the plans and principals to be followed by any like minded patients who wish to attempt to make a difference in our country's policy regarding medical Marijuana.

Koot, I appreciate you highlighting the dilemmas we will face, your posts do conjur other topics for discussion that need to be addressed by us, and for this I sincerely thank you. If it was not for your obvious thirst for profiteering off the patients of this program, you could be a valuable member to our organization. Ta-Ta for now ;)

Regards,

Ck.
 

Attachments

WHATFG

Well-Known Member
Hey Kgirl...as a patient I would have thought that you would understand 100% why the MMPR is nothing but a sham. Having second thoughts about crossing over to the dark side? If I had the kind of money you say you're investing in your business I'd be running as far and as fast as I could from this program. But by the sounds of it, your pockets may not be quite deep enough to play this game. I don't really care any more why the current system failed. In very short order I am going to be breaking the law and there is something wrong with that. I have never been in trouble with the law in my 50 years on the planet. I don't think you really need non - profit defined for you. Someone here offered to grow for me for $1.50/g...enough to cover their costs. You on the other hand wanted to know how much I was spending before I started growing. See the diff? Have you seen some of these websites? Tweed's is like a music video for fuck sakes. Do you not see how wrong that is? Hydropthecary catering to a select 980 patients and starting at $18/g? Really? How are these companies trying to "help" me? For me to buy from you, you're going to have to have something that all the others don't. What that is, I don't know. So you don't like unions? Alright how about a patient advocacy group that collectively tells the government to get lost? If LPs didn't participate there would be no program. Patients are supposed to be the reason for the program yet the program is catering to producers. When the government is involved, it can't be good.
 

j0yr1d3

Well-Known Member
I've come across a few patients on various forums now that are accepting of this new program, no questions asked, because they think it's some fairytale that's going to lead to better access and more research and ultimately legalization. The only way were getting legalization is if Trudeau actually holds up his claims for a smart on crime and cannabis policy. This program is a way to take cannabis from the people and give it to corporations, simple as that. The RCMP, HC and the conservative government don't want to give patients better access and they don't give a fuck about the research, there's tons out there already and they still refuse to accept this as actual medicine. Conservatives just want to profit off suffering and protect the wealthy. Any program they put forth is not good.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top