LSD Producing MIcrobes

Sgt. Floyd

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Don't get too excited, but I thought the HS folks would get a kick out of this.

Harvard scientists to make LSD factory from microbes

Simple microbes such as those found in baker's yeast can be modified to make LSD, suggests research by Harvard scientists

Students on a bread making course. But did the tutor remember to warn them about the other things that yeast turn into? Photograph: Fabio De Paola
Jake Wintermute wanted to save the world rather than make a pile of money. A PhD student in Pam Silver's synthetic biology lab at Harvard Medical School he worked on biofuels in the hope of one day making them commercial alternatives to fossil fuels.

From time to time, venture capitalists would come by for a chat. They were hard-nosed business types who had an eye on the bottom line and some tough advice to share. They said developing biofuels was a terrible business strategy, because fuel was so cheap. Why not make expensive compounds, like pharmaceuticals, instead?

The advice got Wintermute thinking. What was the most valuable compound they could make with the toolkit of synthetic biology? Some research came up with a few candidates including a few very sophisticated cancer drugs. But another compound was up there in monetary terms: LSD. The value by weight was astronomical.

Wintermute and his colleagues had a good laugh about that. But the more they looked into it, the more interesting - and viable - the drug looked. Around 20 tonnes of lysergic acid, a precursor of LSD, are made each year and turned into real medicines, such as nicergoline, a treatment for dementia. The drug is purified from big vats of fungus (which make the compound naturally) using technology developed decades ago.

With the tools of synthetic biology, Wintermute thought they might do better. The ergot fungus takes lysergic acid and turns it into a huge variety of exotic molecules. They could mix and match biological pathways from different species of ergot fungus and make potentially new drug molecules. They might even come up with a next generation dementia drug.

Wintermute gave an update on the project last week at the Synthetic Biology 5 conference at Stanford University. As yet he is not making any lysergic acid, but he has dropped two of the six required biological pathways into baker's yeast, which merrily churns out intermediate compounds. At a rough estimate, he expects a litre of modified yeast in broth will produce a gram of lysergic acid. Once made inside the yeast, the drug should pass through the cell walls, where it can be separated out and purified.

This could be the first step towards a new living factory for making LSD, and thanks to previous experience with microbes, scaling up this kind of technology should not be too arduous for the pharmaceutical industry. The work brings to mind a more developed effort by Jay Keasling and others to engineer microbes to churn out useful biofuel components.

Wintermute's work was just one project that got some attention at the SynBio5 conference. Another line of work that caught my eye addressed one of the main concerns over synthetic biology, which is unintended release and potential harm caused by engineered organisms. One way to do this is to make organisms that use genetic material that differs from DNA and RNA. Do this and you can make what people like Markus Schmidt at the Organisation for International Dialogue and Conflict Management in Austria, call "orthogonal life", or organisms that are isolated from the natural environment by virtue of what amounts to a genetic firewall. How well it might work is so far unknown.

An intriguing point raised by Wintermute is that as synthetic biology procedures get cheaper, it will become inevitable for people to replicate and share stuff for free. Once upon a time we used to worry about - or take advantage of - online file sharing. Will the sharing of biological materials bring problems of its own?

These are early days for synthetic biology, but conferences like SynBio5 give us a glimpse of the potential this technology has. One announcement at the meeting came from DARPA, the pentagon funding body that backs high-risk research, in which the agency declared they are getting into synthetic biology in a big way. The ball will soon be rolling. Next week, DARPA is holding a Living Foundries industry day, where synthetic biologists can pitch their big ideas.
 

Ellis Dee

Active Member
Yeah no doubt.

I don't doubt this could be accomplished fairly easily. 20-30 liters of the yeast broth and you have at least 1 gram of LSD!!

Thats a lifetime amount. HBWR are just too inefficient for the amide, much easier to get it produced for you.

There are many examples of using yeasts to do simple chemical modifications. Quite extraordinary organisms, and ubiquitous throughout nature.
 

canndo

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Wait.


Wait.


So LSD doesn't have to be "synthetic" after all? If we can do that then we can have germs make mdma as well.
 

Ellis Dee

Active Member
I am sure if its possible in nature the same pathways can be manicured for the lab.

Mescalines possible, maybe the cactus have non-selective phenethylamine substitution like psilocybe mushrooms do to tryptamines. Mescaline is produced from dopamine in lophophora.

Something to look into I think.
 

NP88

Active Member
Someone needs to get themselves some government funding and get to work!^^^^


If it wouldn't look bad for me professionally( healthcare field), I would definitely do some legit research on psychedelics. Perhaps if I get to the point in my career where it wouldn't matter what I do research wise, I'll get into it.
 

DarthD3vl

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I watched a nova, about yeast microbes basically being able to be engineered to make anything.... but this is beyond anything i could have dreamed of.... I need me some of this magical yeast.

we can only hope something goes horribly wrong, and the yeast becomes an unstoppable, infinitely producing, Lsd monster that spreads the wealth of "crystal".. across the world.
 

Puffer Fish

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Perhaps if I get to the point in my career where it wouldn't matter what I do research wise, I'll get into it.
Brother ... really ... By that time IT will be done !
A legit career and Psychedelic drugs .... are not compatible ... unless you marry both !
But then it is not legit ... and not a career .... but mission .... and a cult like lifestyle ...


:)
 

NP88

Active Member
Brother ... really ... By that time IT will be done !
A legit career and Psychedelic drugs .... are not compatible ... unless you marry both !
But then it is not legit ... and not a career .... but mission .... and a cult like lifestyle ...


:)

I don't think that is necessarily true.... as long as I am the one conducting the research, and not a subject! If I were going into psychiatry, a career around psychedelics would have been very possible. MDMA studies for example still occur, and I hope none of the researchers are considered outcasts, as there work is in fact legitimate.

I think this is just my mind trying to come up with some way that I won't have to "grow up" completely :(
 

Puffer Fish

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You are absolutely right ... nothing is necessarily true at all ...
It all depends on YOUR perspective ... and perception ...
And ultimately how YOU 'choose' to see it ...
As You are the architect of your reality and everything in it ....

But once you go pro and decide to specialize in YOUR career ... and the 'Honey' ... decides to squeeze out some offspring ...
You might as well say Good Bye to Psychedelics .... whether YOU EAT them or Research them ...

:)
 

Sgt. Floyd

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It's possible. There's Shulgin, Rick Strassman, the MAPS Foundation. It's possible. I think the study of psychedelic substances for medical use will stay outside the mainstream simply because the effects are so difficult to quantify but that only means we need more people to dedicate themselves to the cause. Simply dabbling in the research will do no good. People like Shulgin have a singular purpose in life.
 

Sgt. Floyd

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I watched a nova, about yeast microbes basically being able to be engineered to make anything.... but this is beyond anything i could have dreamed of.... I need me some of this magical yeast.

we can only hope something goes horribly wrong, and the yeast becomes an unstoppable, infinitely producing, Lsd monster that spreads the wealth of "crystal".. across the world.
Think if you could take a pack of dry active yeast, add a little water and sugar and it just went to work stitching together molecules of LSD. Who could stop it?
 

mescalinebandit420

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i think that sasha himself may be under a substance that he himself created to help develop and understand hallucinogens in the way that only he does. dam. i think i just blew my own fucking mind. wow!
 

Puffer Fish

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It does make complete sense tho ...
Brilliant plan ... as to give yourself that extra edge while you are working on stuff ...
Been utilizing this though process for some time now ...



(Smoking Train Wreck and listening to the Thunder Outside ...)
And Having a Glance at
Alice's Blog
 

Sgt. Floyd

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i think that sasha himself may be under a substance that he himself created to help develop and understand hallucinogens in the way that only he does. dam. i think i just blew my own fucking mind. wow!
It makes perfect sense. There was the study on using lsd and problem solving mentioned on the National Geographic doc, where the grad students were coming up with different solutions to their problems after dosing. There's something about psychedelics that break down barriers between different ideas allowing someone to formulate more complex, multilevel ideas/solutions. What if there was a substance that helped create those thought processes but was more restrained in other aspects:visuals, thought distortions. It could be the nootropic that allowed a more efficient use of a greater portion of the brains processing power.
 
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