Magnesium Deficiency?

Vancouverguy

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My plants have some yellow leaves (entire leaf yellow) and upper leaves are turned upwards.

1. Is this a Magnesium Deficiency?
2. If so, how do I treat?

Thanks for any help!

Note the upturned leaves_______Note Yellow Leaves
 

MRbudsmoker

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yeah flush your plants with the right p.h water. not sure if you can add a certain chemical to stop this.... but im not 100% sure on this.
 

nongreenthumb

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If a plant deficient you dont really want to flush it, thats only going to make things worse, to increase mg levels go to your local chemists and buy some epsom salts as this is a goor source of mg for plants. I got some from my chemists for about 1.25 and I've barely touched it.
 

nongreenthumb

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Its no problem, its common answer if in doubt flush it out, but with a deficiency you want to give it nutrients, if you give it water then your not going to make things better as there are no nutrients in there to counteract the deficiency
 

nongreenthumb

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it is early, ive just had lots of time to wake up, the kids have kept me up since about 5 this morning. Didnt get sleep till about 3 either. Mrs was out on the lash last night.
 

ninja.turtle007

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MRbudsmoker please don't reply to post unless you actually know you are certain oknow what you are talking about. Otherwise you give wrong information and cause confusion.
Thanks
 

nongreenthumb

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I'm pleased that he did post to be honest, although he didnt get the answer right he was trawling through and noticed that no one had replied, some posts go unanswered for some reason or another and he thought he was helping. Its a common thing to flush if your not sure and then start feeding nutrients.

The good thing that came out of his answer though was that two people learnt how to treat an mg deficiency.
 

jUzSmokEIt

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MRbudsmoker please don't reply to post unless you actually know you are certain oknow what you are talking about. Otherwise you give wrong information and cause confusion.
Thanks
Shit dude take it easy he corrected himself before you even knew about it. If NGT didnt come to the rescue, the worst case senario is, you would have flushed and re-topped with nutes. No damage done
 

Vancouverguy

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Hi, are you growing in soil? What have you been feeding and how much? have you been PHing? What temps and humidity?
Thanks for your help.

I am growing in soil, suing Pureblend Bloom original, diluted to 3 tbsp/Gallon, and just started adding 1/4 tsp of carbo load. One gallon of the 'mix' lasts about one week for three plants that are almost 3 ft high.

The fertilizer really dropped the pH level, so I started adding a tiny bit of pH Up to bring the pH to around 6.5

Temp is low 70s, when the lights are on I regulate by opening window a bit.

My Hygrometer is broken so I haven't been testing for humidity.

More details of the grow can be found on my grow journal https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/17623-1st-grow-soil-closet.html
 

babygro

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I am growing in soil, suing Pureblend Bloom original, diluted to 3 tbsp/Gallon, and just started adding 1/4 tsp of carbo load. One gallon of the 'mix' lasts about one week for three plants that are almost 3 ft high.

The fertilizer really dropped the pH level, so I started adding a tiny bit of pH Up to bring the pH to around 6.5
Hiya Vancouver guy

I'm not convinced in my mind that it's Mg deficiency affecting your plants.

It's never easy to differentiate between MG and N def's in the early stages because they both look quite similar to each other. Canna uses plenty of Mg as well as the other three main NPK nutrients.

In your grow journal you posted on the 26th June that you transplanted into 2 gallon pots, but you posted a picture of the plant as at the end of May. When did you transplant into those 2 gallon containers and what soil did you use? This is critical information to understanding your problem. If those plants have been in those containers since the end of May then it's highly likely it's Nitrogen.

I'm not sure who's been advising you on nutrients, but what you appear to be using isn't feeding your plants correctly.

Botanicare Pure Blend Original, which is 0.5-0.5-1.0 for organic, bloom fertilizer.

See those figures 0.5-0.5-1.0? 0.5 ppm of Nitrogen? Botinicare appears to be a bloom stimulator, not a nutrient bloom fertiliser. You need to get a Grow fertiliser and a Bloom fertiliser with NPK ratios along the lines of 6-3-4 for Grow and 4-6-6 or something for bloom.

Carbo load is merely putting carbohydrates into your soil that feed the micro-herd, when there probably isn't any micro-herd because you didn't add any and used a sterlie potting soil. So Carboload is probably doing absolutely nothing to your plant, whilst it's starved of NPK nutrients.

The liklihood is therefore, that your plant is Nitrogen deficient, not Mg deficient, although is still impossible to tell from simply looking at the plant. My advise therefore is to get the correct Grow and Bloom fertilisers and use them at 1/4 strength to start with. If the yellowing stops and doesn't spread then that's the answer. If it continues then it's likely to be Mg.

Note, yellowing leaves do not suddenly revert back to being green again. What you need to watch for is a slowing and halt to the yellowing of leaves not a reversal of the existing yellow ones.

Good luck with your plant and your grow.
 

Vancouverguy

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Hiya Vancouver guy

I'm not convinced in my mind that it's Mg deficiency affecting your plants.

It's never easy to differentiate between MG and N def's in the early stages because they both look quite similar to each other. Canna uses plenty of Mg as well as the other three main NPK nutrients.

In your grow journal you posted on the 26th June that you transplanted into 2 gallon pots, but you posted a picture of the plant as at the end of May. When did you transplant into those 2 gallon containers and what soil did you use? This is critical information to understanding your problem. If those plants have been in those containers since the end of May then it's highly likely it's Nitrogen.

I'm not sure who's been advising you on nutrients, but what you appear to be using isn't feeding your plants correctly.

Botanicare Pure Blend Original, which is 0.5-0.5-1.0 for organic, bloom fertilizer.

See those figures 0.5-0.5-1.0? 0.5 ppm of Nitrogen? Botinicare appears to be a bloom stimulator, not a nutrient bloom fertiliser. You need to get a Grow fertiliser and a Bloom fertiliser with NPK ratios along the lines of 6-3-4 for Grow and 4-6-6 or something for bloom.

Carbo load is merely putting carbohydrates into your soil that feed the micro-herd, when there probably isn't any micro-herd because you didn't add any and used a sterlie potting soil. So Carboload is probably doing absolutely nothing to your plant, whilst it's starved of NPK nutrients.

The liklihood is therefore, that your plant is Nitrogen deficient, not Mg deficient, although is still impossible to tell from simply looking at the plant. My advise therefore is to get the correct Grow and Bloom fertilisers and use them at 1/4 strength to start with. If the yellowing stops and doesn't spread then that's the answer. If it continues then it's likely to be Mg.

Note, yellowing leaves do not suddenly revert back to being green again. What you need to watch for is a slowing and halt to the yellowing of leaves not a reversal of the existing yellow ones.

Good luck with your plant and your grow.

Thank you for your very detailed response.

I transplanted into the 2 gal pots about 6 weeks ago, using all purpose potting soil by CIL.

While vegging, I fertilized with Schultz liquid plant food 10-15-10.

On the recommendation of a salesperson at Pacific Northwest Garden Supply, in Vancouver, I bought the Pure Blend Organic. I was told that if I was using it on its own, I should triple the dosage to 3 tbsp/gal.

When I tested the water after mixing in the nutrients, I found it was way acidic so I bought some pH up to balance it. The carboload was a throw in from the place I bought the pH Up - I started adding it last week - I know it's not food for the plant, but wanted to test what difference it made (seems like I've got loads of new crystals in the past week).

I realize that I have been reactive, rather than proactive, but as my first grow, I wanted to find out what works and what doesn't.

Bottom line - what is the best way to sort out my plants before they have no leaves left at all!

Thanks again for your help
 

babygro

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Thank you for your very detailed response.

I transplanted into the 2 gal pots about 6 weeks ago, using all purpose potting soil by CIL.

While vegging, I fertilized with Schultz liquid plant food 10-15-10.
No problem VancouverGuy

I suspected they've been in those pots for a while and this is the reason you're getting those yellow leaves. When did you start with the Shultz and at what dose and what's the recommended dose on the bottle?

If Mg is going to show up as a problem, it'll do it at the 4-6 week mark usually. If the plant is in a good quality potting soil and has been fed regularly and the water quality is good, you shouldn't get Mg problems. If your tap water is hard and generally alkaline, then it has fairly large amounts of Calcium Carbonate in it - it's this that can lock out Mg in the soil substrate by the excess Calcium salts.

The only solution is to either, use a water softener or Britta filter which should remove about 0.1-0.2 EC off the TDS total or invest in an RO machine which removes 98-99% of all total dissolved solids.

If you're in a hard water area, then it's quite possible it's Mg.

Any chance of a closeup pic of one of those yellow leaves?
 

Vancouverguy

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When did you start with the Shultz and at what dose and what's the recommended dose on the bottle?
7 drops/litre 2x/month, used half strength once roots were visible through the peat pellets and pellets buried in a little soil. about 6 weeks ago.

Any chance of a closeup pic of one of those yellow leaves?

biggset leaf, see purple stem______________Same leaf, no flash


top down (a little blurry)

 

babygro

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7 drops/litre 2x/month, used half strength once roots were visible through the peat pellets and pellets buried in a little soil. about 6 weeks ago.
I'm pretty sure that's Nitrogen Vancouverguy.

Start feeding the Shultz at 1/4 dose (if 7 drops per L is half dose, start at three) plus the Bloom stimulant at 1/2 dose and Carboload at full dose.

Feed every other water or every other two waters with that dose, and feed plain water inbetween. Watch the plants - watch for signs of improvement - it'll be slow - be patient. It usually takes up to 6 days for plants to show signs from a nutrient feeding.

You can also foliar feed things like fish emulsion which will give you quicker results, but I wouldn't recommend foliar feeding at your stage in flowering due to the risk of bud mould or leaf fungus.

Let us know how it goes.
 
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