speedyganga
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OK petflora, then that great for me ^^
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Abiqua
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Like evolution, creation, the structure of an atom, electricity, outer space.
None of these things are "proven", yet, they are accepted as such. Just sayin'....
I am not singling out JMD with this statement, just a general statement: Some people cannot replace ignorance with curiosity, I think it has become a choice.
It also works both ways, Tesla invented wireless lightbulbs almost 125 years ago based on schumann resonances [8hz], and it still isn't being used today.
JMD
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Evolution is quite well proven. Read for example: http://www.evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
There's a lot of theories for creation - for example The Big Bang.
The structure of an atom also well proven. When it's possible in theory to predict the behavior of atoms and test it in real life, and see that it matches, then I'd say it proven.
Electricity isn't proven? You're kidding, right? READ!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity
"Outer space"? Can you be a bit more specific? While the exploration of the universe hasn't even really started yet, we still know quite a bit of whats going on. It is for example possible to calculate the precise path of asteroids, and see it matches reality.
About Tesla's wireless lightbulbs.. if it had worked, it would have been used today. The reason why it's not being used, is because it doesn't work. The same goes for all "free energy" videos on youtube - it does not work. And some people feel better when they claim that the government covers it up, so they can control the oil instead. Another false statement
And whatever you are using to write posts on this forums.. a result of evolution of mankind.
...this just reminds me of bible Folks knocking at my door and telling me "look at the sunset -there must be a higher force, its so beautiful and romantic". -Of course they didnt know why exactly the sunset looks like that and why beauty and romance makes sense from an evolutionary angle. After I told them my view on things, they were like "oh interesting i never thought about it like that -ok next "holy" Topic...I thought...ARGZ Ingnorance! No offense, but I think a viewpoint on things like that is just "lazy", imo. Well i guess we should stop right there. NVM
Bumping Spheda
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I have to... 
Many (most?) Christians also believe in "science," lax123, you'll find people like that at every extreme.
JMD: There's actually a lot of controversy in the scientific community on evolution, its mechanism(s), and fossil dating discrepancies. I'm no anthro/paleontologist, but Intelligent Design seems just as plausible as hitting the random button and ending up with marijuana plants or the human brain. Also check the wikipedia page on the speed of electricity (electric drift). It's odd, electrons flow through conductors at approximately the rate of flowing honey and we can't explain that. Electricity is a phenomena that we don't fully comprehend.
In Its totality, The Universe is so fucking crazy, how can someone even begin to say that they understand it? Attempting to understand It in the manner that we're discussing has many implications/presumptions attached to the notion which have been discussed in depth for ages (such as assuming reality is even real at all). The Universe/Existence is what it is and we do what we can. That's about all that I feel can be said. And with that being said...
I've never seen a paper on the effects of a Merkaba LED layout over plants. Until we do, how can one prove/disprove a hypothesis without ever making an observation?
Damn that scientific method!
Many (most?) Christians also believe in "science," lax123, you'll find people like that at every extreme.
JMD: There's actually a lot of controversy in the scientific community on evolution, its mechanism(s), and fossil dating discrepancies. I'm no anthro/paleontologist, but Intelligent Design seems just as plausible as hitting the random button and ending up with marijuana plants or the human brain. Also check the wikipedia page on the speed of electricity (electric drift). It's odd, electrons flow through conductors at approximately the rate of flowing honey and we can't explain that. Electricity is a phenomena that we don't fully comprehend.
In Its totality, The Universe is so fucking crazy, how can someone even begin to say that they understand it? Attempting to understand It in the manner that we're discussing has many implications/presumptions attached to the notion which have been discussed in depth for ages (such as assuming reality is even real at all). The Universe/Existence is what it is and we do what we can. That's about all that I feel can be said. And with that being said...
I've never seen a paper on the effects of a Merkaba LED layout over plants. Until we do, how can one prove/disprove a hypothesis without ever making an observation?
Damn that scientific method!
JMD
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What we need to understand about evolution, is not that a plant suddenly started to produce THC, but that it most likely happened over time.I have to...
Many (most?) Christians also believe in "science," lax123, you'll find people like that at every extreme.
JMD: There's actually a lot of controversy in the scientific community on evolution, its mechanism(s), and fossil dating discrepancies. I'm no anthro/paleontologist, but Intelligent Design seems just as plausible as hitting the random button and ending up with marijuana plants or the human brain.
Imagine the scenario where the marijuana plant didn't have THC at first, and the plants were tasty for all the animals around. A plant then had a mutation that made it taste bad (THC), and that plant survived and spread seeds. Over time more and more of these spread, while the other non-mutated got eaten.
This might not be what happened with marijuana, but it's a possibility.
As far as I remember, it is known - but I don't have a source for my claim. Will see if I can find it
We begin to understand the fundamentals, but we still know very very little about the universe as a whole.
There are different approaches to an idea, and the one used with Merkaba shape is what troubles me.
Scientific approach: "I think this might work, or work better, because........ at least that's the theory."
Merkaba approach: "This works because it's magic."
That's the issue I see!
Bumping Spheda
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It's also a possibility that the center of our galaxy emits an undertone of energy that shapes/molds matter over time via string theory frequency modulation and for whatever reason "wanted" marijuana plants to exist. That could take any amount of time. Think of our supermassive black hole as Yo-Yo Ma playing a cello in a dark empty room. Or not.
Please do. Wouldn't mind reading that.
I'm saying the fundamentals imply presumptions that not every one agrees on. Otherwise, hard not to agree with that statement.
Well it seems like magic to me that a plant can take a photon of light, excite electrons into a higher state, send that electrical energy to break apart a different molecular chain whose byproducts then go through more energy conversion reactions in order to produce chemical energy! I also find it curious that I get a scrape on my knee and within moments blood vessels swell to restrict blood flow, platelets rush to the torn blood vessels and stick/clump together to plug the leak, clotting proteins then make a fibrous net to hold the platelets in place, once bleeding has stopped the blood vessels dilate to allow white blood cells easier access to the site in order to kill bacteria/germs, then fibroblasts gather and begin to produce collagen that fills in under the scab and produce new capillaries, then skin at the edges of the wound grows thicker and stretches towards the center of the scab to form scar tissue, and all this is being performed by billions of single celled living organisms that share my DNA who I think very little of, all of whom will be dead in most likely less than seven years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_reaction_centre
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/how-do-wounds-cuts-scrapes-lacerations-heal
Idk, there's a lot of things that seem like magic to me. Do I think a bunch of Warm White LED's in a Merkaba shape -as opposed to any other- will increase photosynthetic activity? No, not really. But that's not the point, nor does it mean it's the case.
sry, no i didnt mean to offend any believer or christian, just in my experience often i see People say "must be god" when in fact they did not really dug into the material and got the Facts.
Like in my example... god or some higher intelligent force as in an easy explanation for everything humanity fails to explain (yet). I mean something like intelligent design is just based on the lack of knowledge of humanity, "there must be god because we cant proove there isnt", isnt that actually ignorance?
Whats the Problem with the Speed of electrons?
If you increase it further it heats up the conductor until it melts.
What i have learned from my teacher: Speed of honey is also no Problem because with electricity is like a pipe full of Tennis balls, if u push in one ball on one end another one comes like instantly out of the other end.
Is that wrong or were you talking about something different i didnt get?
Like in my example... god or some higher intelligent force as in an easy explanation for everything humanity fails to explain (yet). I mean something like intelligent design is just based on the lack of knowledge of humanity, "there must be god because we cant proove there isnt", isnt that actually ignorance?
Whats the Problem with the Speed of electrons?
If you increase it further it heats up the conductor until it melts.
What i have learned from my teacher: Speed of honey is also no Problem because with electricity is like a pipe full of Tennis balls, if u push in one ball on one end another one comes like instantly out of the other end.
Is that wrong or were you talking about something different i didnt get?
speedyganga
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You know guys, you should maybe smoke a bit less ^^
I let you continuing your discussions it's interesting and also a bit funny... maybe I also smoke too much then.
I let you continuing your discussions it's interesting and also a bit funny... maybe I also smoke too much then.
PetFlora
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Nice to see I started something (inadvertently hijacked this thread- sorry, it was not my intention) responding to my merkaba comment. I feel a response to all the posts is in order. I will keep it short
History, Science, Evolution, Religion as we know them, are all taught in books/schools provided by those who seek to control us. The perfect example for this group is the great Marijuana coverup.
Clearly, we question, nay outright KNOW it is a lie, and yet, it has been perpetrated by powerful people with their own agenda, who are powerful enough to mass a coalition of other powerful people. Case in point, William Randolph Hearst (magazine/newspaper empire) was heavily invested in forestry for making paper products. Hemp was/is easier to grow and a renewable (also better for bio-fuels, instead of the powerful subsidized corn lobby). He had powerful connections in government and pushed to make it illegal.
Fluoride is another example of big business wielding power ($$$$) over government (including so-called science). Fl is a byproduct of the aluminum making process. Millions of tons of this powder were building up, much like garbage dumps, and it was/is extremely toxic. How to get rid of it?????? Hire 'scientists' to find a use then have them create 'research' papers then make sure they are presented to key allies in government. Today, in spite of the rea scientific evidence to the contrary, they keep pushing fluoride
Religion was started by the Romans as a way to control their empire. Careful dissection of numerous religions find the same mythical weavings. In those days writings/books were done by religious "scholars" who were in lockstep with the Roman empire because was good for business Armies were too expensive to keep control over their vast empire
N Tesla was hired by JP Morgan. When NT brought his 'free-energy' device to the philanthropist (ha-ha), JP asked how can I meter it (meter= make $$$$) and since JP could not control it, it was buried as was NT who died a broken penniless man
These are but three examples of how big business has the power to lean on government (and government on clergy), or anyone who gets in their way. Government it seems has always been too fucking stoopid to challenge them, or too smart ($$$$) not to.
As much as I hate Donald Rumsfeld, he said something very profound when he said (I believe this statement was in response to WMD in Iraq) "We know what we know, and we don't know what we don't know"
What we do know is marijuana was never a bad 'drug', and yet both church and state has lied, and continues to lie to us about them. Ditto the science they teach us.
When I was a kid (yes I'm older than dirt) Exxon had animated TV commercials showing dinosaurs decaying and becoming oil. Do any of you honestly think they didn't know that was a flat out lie? Or today that oil reserves are running out. It is all part of their mind manipulation to control us. The middle east war over oil, ultimately is not about oil, it's about the DOLLAR backed oil, an agreement our government made with the Saudis decades ago. Did you ever see the video of George W embracing the Saudi prince and kissing him on the lips???????? W was absolutely beaming. You would think W was looking at a super hot piece of ass that he was about to screw- and probably did, although the Prince was likely the pusher
Like the merkaba, you have to open your mind and start going down some rabbit holes in search of the truth. The problem is they control 99% of the 411 inside the rabbit holes. It's like peeling an onion
Research how many free energy scientists have died mysteriously in the last 10 years. Also how many free energy patents have become top secret having been acquired for "National Security" reasons. Free Energy frees mankind from the grip of these heinous controllers
Awakening to this 411 often leads to losing friends, as most are willing to go along with the status quo. They just don't want to know, but more and more are beginning to suspect
Hope I have opened some minds. Now let's get back to growing the family destroying gateway drug
History, Science, Evolution, Religion as we know them, are all taught in books/schools provided by those who seek to control us. The perfect example for this group is the great Marijuana coverup.
Clearly, we question, nay outright KNOW it is a lie, and yet, it has been perpetrated by powerful people with their own agenda, who are powerful enough to mass a coalition of other powerful people. Case in point, William Randolph Hearst (magazine/newspaper empire) was heavily invested in forestry for making paper products. Hemp was/is easier to grow and a renewable (also better for bio-fuels, instead of the powerful subsidized corn lobby). He had powerful connections in government and pushed to make it illegal.
Fluoride is another example of big business wielding power ($$$$) over government (including so-called science). Fl is a byproduct of the aluminum making process. Millions of tons of this powder were building up, much like garbage dumps, and it was/is extremely toxic. How to get rid of it?????? Hire 'scientists' to find a use then have them create 'research' papers then make sure they are presented to key allies in government. Today, in spite of the rea scientific evidence to the contrary, they keep pushing fluoride
Religion was started by the Romans as a way to control their empire. Careful dissection of numerous religions find the same mythical weavings. In those days writings/books were done by religious "scholars" who were in lockstep with the Roman empire because was good for business Armies were too expensive to keep control over their vast empire
N Tesla was hired by JP Morgan. When NT brought his 'free-energy' device to the philanthropist (ha-ha), JP asked how can I meter it (meter= make $$$$) and since JP could not control it, it was buried as was NT who died a broken penniless man
These are but three examples of how big business has the power to lean on government (and government on clergy), or anyone who gets in their way. Government it seems has always been too fucking stoopid to challenge them, or too smart ($$$$) not to.
As much as I hate Donald Rumsfeld, he said something very profound when he said (I believe this statement was in response to WMD in Iraq) "We know what we know, and we don't know what we don't know"
What we do know is marijuana was never a bad 'drug', and yet both church and state has lied, and continues to lie to us about them. Ditto the science they teach us.
When I was a kid (yes I'm older than dirt) Exxon had animated TV commercials showing dinosaurs decaying and becoming oil. Do any of you honestly think they didn't know that was a flat out lie? Or today that oil reserves are running out. It is all part of their mind manipulation to control us. The middle east war over oil, ultimately is not about oil, it's about the DOLLAR backed oil, an agreement our government made with the Saudis decades ago. Did you ever see the video of George W embracing the Saudi prince and kissing him on the lips???????? W was absolutely beaming. You would think W was looking at a super hot piece of ass that he was about to screw- and probably did, although the Prince was likely the pusher
Like the merkaba, you have to open your mind and start going down some rabbit holes in search of the truth. The problem is they control 99% of the 411 inside the rabbit holes. It's like peeling an onion
Research how many free energy scientists have died mysteriously in the last 10 years. Also how many free energy patents have become top secret having been acquired for "National Security" reasons. Free Energy frees mankind from the grip of these heinous controllers
Awakening to this 411 often leads to losing friends, as most are willing to go along with the status quo. They just don't want to know, but more and more are beginning to suspect
Hope I have opened some minds. Now let's get back to growing the family destroying gateway drug
JMD
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Indeed it's possible, but we can only act upon what we know so far - and evolution is well documented and well accepted. I don't deny the possibility of any other theory, that would just make science my religion, which goes against what I believe in.
Of course
But without presumptions we would get nowhere. Without well defined assumptions something like gravity assisted maneuvers would never be possible.When we have an assumption we can proceed to test it in a more or less controlled environment to verify or disprove our hypothesis.
Many things do indeed seem like magic, but science have solved the mystery and we now quite well what's going on. We know so much that we are able to direct medicine to specific parts of the body - I'd say that qualifies as a very good understanding of how the body works. Do we know all yet? Not even close, we have only scratched the surface.
Without the scientific approach to mysteries, we would still hit two rocks against each other to create fire.
We cannot, and i really mean CANNOT, explain things with it being "magic". It's wrong and it kills innovation and human progress. Say it as it is! "I don't know how it works".
By accepting things as being magical, one hide themselves from the truth.
With that being said, I fully accept that many people feel the need for comfort of believing in a higher power that takes care of us. It's human nature to feel the need for comfort and security, and if you don't do it with religion you probably do it in some other way.
But please don't set yourself back by only accepting one truth or one belief - it's what makes people dumb. Be open to the idea that you might be wrong - I'm often wrong, there's absolutely no possibility that I can know everything, and I don't. Actually I'm happy to be told I'm wrong, because that means that I've learned something new.
PetFlora
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Just one more thing...
We find ourselves in a duality reality- black/white, ying/yang, "It takes a village"... some outside savior- government, christ, whatever, and so we wait for someone/some thing else to save/redeem us.
Someone once said Greater things than these shall ye do. That same someone was at war with the money lenders- guess who won. Instead of embracing our greatness, we have been taught that we are all sinners, and that JC died for our sins. PLEASE
This so-called reality programs us to believe in something OUTSIDE ourselves, when in fact we are infinite spirit having a human experience, not the other way around. By getting a grip on that, the matrix begins to collapse and we can return to our full upright position
We find ourselves in a duality reality- black/white, ying/yang, "It takes a village"... some outside savior- government, christ, whatever, and so we wait for someone/some thing else to save/redeem us.
Someone once said Greater things than these shall ye do. That same someone was at war with the money lenders- guess who won. Instead of embracing our greatness, we have been taught that we are all sinners, and that JC died for our sins. PLEASE
This so-called reality programs us to believe in something OUTSIDE ourselves, when in fact we are infinite spirit having a human experience, not the other way around. By getting a grip on that, the matrix begins to collapse and we can return to our full upright position
speedyganga
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hello,
petflora you can highjack this thread as long as you want, indeed my research is finish and my plans are clear. so I am good. There is no longer reason,for me, for this thread to be on, but you can continue if you guys want to debate more, it doesn't disturb me. ^^
thaks everyone for having participating, and good grow.
petflora you can highjack this thread as long as you want, indeed my research is finish and my plans are clear. so I am good. There is no longer reason,for me, for this thread to be on, but you can continue if you guys want to debate more, it doesn't disturb me. ^^
thaks everyone for having participating, and good grow.