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PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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i am new to this site, but an outdoor grower. sorry, not a purist, i grow or find my seeds locally and an fascinated by the whole breeding6 thing. so i found some pink grapefruit seeds, and next year want to cross then with a seed ive been growing in my valley for a long time. any advice on this? i guerrilla grow a few plants far from any others, and have had good luck. experimenting is fun, but dialed in is better. mass twelve plant law is generous for me and wifey. i guess my main question is: can you cross indoor Lil' ones you like the taste of with a larger, outdoor variety? any hints to make it easier? ps, the 3 seeds i found on my friends tent grow was total fluke. thank you for your time and consideration.
 
OPfarmer

OPfarmer

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Consider those tent grow seeds you found to be hermie... Not necessarily the best trait to breed with. However as an outdoor grower, I can't see that it matters that much.
 
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Wy east renegade

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Typically indoor vs outdoor has more to do with time to harvest than height by the way. Growing plants big or small is a choice not genetic.

I have a super long bloom sativa that simply won’t get half way through the bloom cycle outdoor where I live in Oregon but is very high potency if you can bloom it for 15 weeks. One of my favorites but takes so much time I can’t get it half way through before the mold come outdoors. But indoors it does wonders. And in 1/4 of the 5x5 I am using with a SCROG I get well over a pound a plant. But it takes time.

That said I spent many years breeding and I am doing some now. When you ask for any hints I can explain in detail how to collect pollen in the same grow space as you are flowering females without cross pollination but that is doing things indoor. You can follow the same techniques outdoor if that is what you are asking but I am not sure exactly the question... but I will try.

So to harvest pollen without cross pollination you simply have to contain the pollen by disallowing it in most of the places. There are some tricks here...

So basically you go in a prune back all but three or four branches and remove all stalk sex sites. You also take off all the leaves on those branches but leave all the leaves elsewhere. You can wait until the male sacs are decently formed you don’t have to jump on it before they are mature. People freak about males and the sacs aren’t even close to opening.

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And then you bag the sites you are collecting from. I typically use sandwich bags with twist ties but ziplock is better. The reason is you want to leave a little opening ( which I do using my method) so the water from transpiration escapes. Otherwise the pollen will mold and be dead.

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Then after a bit the sacs open and the pollen drops and you have contained it and all is good in the world. I typically go in and use my thumbnail to scar up unbagged sex sites to prevent them from growing new ones every few days.
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Also it is good to let it dry out in this process, no need to water heavily at all for various reasons. I do soil so I water about once a week depending on pot size and such but after you butcher it back so much it is stressed and grows slow and needs little period.

Best of luck!
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Wy east renegade said:
Typically indoor vs outdoor has more to do with time to harvest than height by the way. Growing plants big or small is a choice not genetic.

I have a super long bloom sativa that simply won’t get half way through the bloom cycle outdoor where I live in Oregon but is very high potency if you can bloom it for 15 weeks. One of my favorites but takes so much time I can’t get it half way through before the mold come outdoors. But indoors it does wonders. And in 1/4 of the 5x5 I am using with a SCROG I get well over a pound a plant. But it takes time.

That said I spent many years breeding and I am doing some now. When you ask for any hints I can explain in detail how to collect pollen in the same grow space as you are flowering females without cross pollination but that is doing things indoor. You can follow the same techniques outdoor if that is what you are asking but I am not sure exactly the question... but I will try.

So to harvest pollen without cross pollination you simply have to contain the pollen by disallowing it in most of the places. There are some tricks here...

So basically you go in a prune back all but three or four branches and remove all stalk sex sites. You also take off all the leaves on those branches but leave all the leaves elsewhere. You can wait until the male sacs are decently formed you don’t have to jump on it before they are mature. People freak about males and the sacs aren’t even close to opening.

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And then you bag the sites you are collecting from. I typically use sandwich bags with twist ties but ziplock is better. The reason is you want to leave a little opening ( which I do using my method) so the water from transpiration escapes. Otherwise the pollen will mold and be dead.

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Then after a bit the sacs open and the pollen drops and you have contained it and all is good in the world. I typically go in and use my thumbnail to scar up unbagged sex sites to prevent them from growing new ones every few days.
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Also it is good to let it dry out in this process, no need to water heavily at all for various reasons. I do soil so I water about once a week depending on pot size and such but after you butcher it back so much it is stressed and grows slow and needs little period.

Best of luck!
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Don't you get moisture buildup inside the bags? Seems like you'd also have a hard time getting it out of the bags. But if it's working for you that's all that matters.

This is how I do it



 
W

Wy east renegade

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No I explained you leave it a bit open and then you don’t have a problem. After the first pic is a section of words about that.

Getting it out of the bag is about as hard as opening a can of beer. I used to just leave it in there and put the flower from the next plant I want to pollinate in the bag and shake it to pollinate the next one. But you can use a brush or many other means.

This was a method a horticulturist who did this type of thing for a living taught me about 21 years back.

There are many ways to do it this just allows you to do it in the same space as your females without issue. But The same method works well outside where there is wind which is what I understood the question to be.

Cheers
 
too larry

too larry

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PioneerValleyOG said:
i am new to this site, but an outdoor grower. sorry, not a purist, i grow or find my seeds locally and an fascinated by the whole breeding6 thing. so i found some pink grapefruit seeds, and next year want to cross then with a seed ive been growing in my valley for a long time. any advice on this? i guerrilla grow a few plants far from any others, and have had good luck. experimenting is fun, but dialed in is better. mass twelve plant law is generous for me and wifey. i guess my main question is: can you cross indoor Lil' ones you like the taste of with a larger, outdoor variety? any hints to make it easier? ps, the 3 seeds i found on my friends tent grow was total fluke. thank you for your time and consideration.
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There are no real indoor or outdoor strains. Veg time determines the size of plants. I grow outdoors, but try hard for 1-2 ounce plants. The key is timing.

I too grow in the bush. It can be a challenge breeding, but there are a few things to make it easier. To start off, I only plant plants that I wouldn't mind in crosses in the same patch. My situation is such that I put them in the woods at about 3 weeks old, before they show sex. If you are after just a few seeds, move your male as soon as he shows sex. When he does start to flower, collect pollen by cutting off the shoots and putting in glass of water with tops hanging over paper or glass. When the female is in 2nd or 3rd week, dust the buds on one branch. I use the brown bag approach, but many paint the pollen on with a tiny brush.

For lots of seeds, you can go with open pollination. But this can make several hundred seeds, and you will harvest less weed. You just leave the male in the patch and let it flower naturally. The timing doesn't always work out, so you may still have to collect pollen and dust the female once she is in week 2-3.
 
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