Making Extacy Pills?

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
The synthesis for MDMA is relatively easy actually.. making pharmaceutical quality methamphetamine and making pure MDMA take about the same knowledge. We're not talking about bathtub pseudoephedrine reductions via RP & Hydroiodic acid, but actually clean, high quality methamphetamine.

MDMA is rather simple.. obtain MDP2P (not difficult, a few ways to do so) and simply do a reduction (PdCl2 + CuCl2.. I'm sure you could use like Al/Hg instead). It's actually pretty straight forward.

I have never heard of a poison being produced as a biproduct... the only drugs I know of that causes parkinson's disease is MPPP or MPTP (neither are easy to make). And people who haven't taken organic chemistry probably aren't trying to make MDMA (it's not street meth).
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Oh I agree.. anything besides flicking my lighter is a pain in the ass lol, but it could be done with 2 yrs of college chem and the tek in hand ;-).
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
I can't plus rep you again.. I need a new account for everytime you say something kickass :-D.
 

KaleoXxX

Well-Known Member
I'd Take A LSD Synthesis Anyday. Better Payout. :-D
o ya! i would definatly rather know how to make lsd than how to make cheapo rolls. its just a matter of exposure. im sure if i hung out with Timothy Leary instead of hoodrats i would be telling you guys the secret to lsd 25. but instead im telling people how cheap dangerous rolls are produced by people who need extra cash. if you dont agree with my method (it is morally wrong but factual none the less) dont say it isnt true, because belive it or not IT HAPPENED. the pills were made and sold and profited on. some people may have complaied about a bunk pill here and there but we never killed anyone. as for brain damage, ecstasy dose that anyways, one style of production cant be blamed
 

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
Heres an interview I found. These 3 guys made it with no lab experience, definitely seems like a pain in the ass w/o the proper equipment. A fume hood would certainly come in handy.http://ecstasy.org/info/manufacture.html
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Have you ever thought about making your own E? I talked to some people who carried that thought right through to a good quality product.

How did you start?
Three of us spent about 3 years planning &shyp; reading up syntheses; finding equipment and buying materials. None of us had any previous laboratory experience apart from my school chemistry, and we didn't know anyone in the business. We just liked Ecstasy and decided to do it.

Where did you get supplies?
Getting equipment without arousing suspicion was difficult. Laboratory suppliers would not sell us anything more complex than a thermometer for cash over the counter, otherwise they would ask us to open an account and then want bank and trade references. When I tried to open a business bank account, the bank asked for identification and the precise nature of my intended business! So we looked for existing companies who had accounts with suppliers, and tried to make personal contacts so that orders could be placed and passed on to us. Approaching these people was risky in itself as they might inform the police or blackmail us, and they would double the price. However, we found some pieces of equipment in theatre prop shops and even car boot sales &shyp; it was nearly all glassware, as we used laboratory rather than production methods. That meant we had a lot of breakages which sometimes held up production for ages until we found replacements.

What about precursors?
Key precursors, such as safrole, had to be bought from black market sources at very high prices. Even solvents were not available without question, and some ingredients required a poisons license, although we found a couple of Indian suppliers who took cash and asked no questions. But we couldn't buy everything we wanted in Britain and were afraid to import, which meant we had to make some precursors ourselves. We spent £4,000 in all.

How did you actually make it?
We rented a basement flat for the purpose. Then we experimented to find the best method. We studied everything we could get hold of including chemistry textbooks; PIHKAL by Alexander Shulgin; Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture and even patents in the Patent Office*. It was much harder than we expected &shyp; even following instructions to the letter, some reactions simply did not happen while others were so violent they that broke the apparatus. All the recipes, including Shulgin's, had small but vital steps missing so we had to piece together a recipe by looking for clues in other books and patents. It was weeks before we worked out a good method.

How long did it take?
One kilo of MDMA took about 2 weeks continuous work for three people. That was because some processes could only be done in 50 gram batches. We used 75 litres of solvents which we had no way of recondensing and we had no fume cupboard, so all that was boiled off producing vast amounts of vapour which was heavier than air and would fill up the basement. There were toxic fumes, some were highly poisonous, and a lot of spillages because we got over-tired. Sometimes we were left coughing and ill from inhaling fumes which hurt our eyes and made us giddy.

We were also worried about explosions which could be sparked off by the vacuum pump motor, so when things got really bad we had to evacuate the basement and the fumes could be seen drifting out of the windows. Once a flask of ether exploded, and during the Ritter reaction hot sulphuric acid and methyl cyanide shot up to the ceiling and dripped down onto us! I think it has permanently damaged my lungs.

How about selling it?
That was surprisingly difficult. We tried to find a single dealer but were afraid that those who could afford to buy in kilos would be connected to criminals and might turn up with guns. So we ended up selling in smaller amounts which meant that far too many people were into our secret, and even then we could not get more than the usual trade price of £40 per gram even though our product was pure. The whole thing became a bit of a nightmare although one of my partners found it exhilarating.

What would you do different if you started again?
I would go for a larger scale. I think the risks would be lower because we would be able to pay someone else to obtain the equipment and materials; also we could afford safer premises, better equipment and security.
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Ganjaglutin

New Member
LSD SYNTHESIS : A solution of 6.7 g KOH in 100 mL H2O, under an inert atmosphere and magnetically stirred, was brought to 75 °C, and 10 g ergotamine tartrate (ET) added. The reaction mixture turned yellow as the ergotamine went into solution over the course of 1 h. The stirring was continued for an additional 3 h. The reaction mixture was cooled to about 10 °C with an external ice bath, and acidified to a pH of about 3.0 by the dropwise addition of 2.5 N H2SO4. White solids started to appear early in the neutralization; approximately 60 mL of sulfuric acid was required. The reaction mixture was cooled overnight, the solids removed by filtration, and the filter cake washed with 10 mL Et2O. The dry solids were transferred to a beaker, suspended in 50 mL 15 % ammonia in anhydrous ethanol, stirred for 1 h, and separated by decantation. This extraction was repeated, and the original decantation and the second extract combined and filtered to remove a few hundred milligrams of unwanted solids. The clear filtrate was stripped of solvent under vacuum, the residual solids dissolved in 50 mL of 1% aqueous ammonia, and this solution was acidified as before with 2.5 N H2SO4. The precipitated solids were removed by filtration and washed with Et2O until free of color. After drying under vacuum to a constant weight, there was obtained 3.5 g of d-lysergic acid hydrate, which should be stored in a dark, sealed container.

A suspension of 3.15 g d-lysergic acid hydrate and 7.1 g of diethylamine in 150 mL CHCl3 was brought to reflux with stirring. With the external heating removed, there was added 3.4 g POCl3 over the course of 2 min, at a rate sufficient to maintain refluxing conditions. The mixture was held at reflux for an additional 5 min, at which point everything had gone into solution. After returning to room temperature, the solution was added to 200 mL of 1 N NH4OH. The phases were separated, the organic phase dried over anhydrous MgSO4, filtered, and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue was chromatographed over alumina with elution employing a 3:1 C6H6/CHCl3 mixture, and the collected fraction stripped of solvent under hard vacuum to a constant weight. This free-base solid can be recrystallized from benzene to give white crystals with a melting point of 87-92 °C. IR (in cm-1): 750, 776, 850, 937 and 996, with the carbonyl at 1631. The mass spectrum of the free base has a strong parent peak at mass 323, with sizable fragments at masses of 181, 196, 207 and 221.

This base was dissolved in warm, dry MeOH, using 4 mL per g of product. There was then added dry d-tartaric acid (0.232 g per g of LSD base), and the clear warm solution treated with Et2O dropwise until the cloudiness did not dispel on continued stirring. This opaqueness set to a fine crystalline suspension (this is achieved more quickly with seeding) and the solution allowed to crystallize overnight in the refrigerator. Ambient light should be severely restricted during these procedures. The product was removed by filtration, washed sparingly with cold methanol, with a cold 1:1 MeOH/Et2O mixture, and then dried to constant weight. The white crystalline product was lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate with two molecules of methanol of crystallization, with a mp of about 200 °C with decomposition, and weighed 3.11 g (66%). Repeated recrystallizations from methanol produced a product that became progressively less soluble, and eventually virtually insoluble, as the purity increased. A totally pure salt, when dry and when shaken in the dark, will emit small flashes of white light.
 

hom36rown

Well-Known Member
LSD SYNTHESIS : A solution of 6.7 g KOH in 100 mL H2O, under an inert atmosphere and magnetically stirred, was brought to 75 °C, and 10 g ergotamine tartrate (ET) added. The reaction mixture turned yellow as the ergotamine went into solution over the course of 1 h. The stirring was continued for an additional 3 h. The reaction mixture was cooled to about 10 °C with an external ice bath, and acidified to a pH of about 3.0 by the dropwise addition of 2.5 N H2SO4. White solids started to appear early in the neutralization; approximately 60 mL of sulfuric acid was required. The reaction mixture was cooled overnight, the solids removed by filtration, and the filter cake washed with 10 mL Et2O. The dry solids were transferred to a beaker, suspended in 50 mL 15 % ammonia in anhydrous ethanol, stirred for 1 h, and separated by decantation. This extraction was repeated, and the original decantation and the second extract combined and filtered to remove a few hundred milligrams of unwanted solids. The clear filtrate was stripped of solvent under vacuum, the residual solids dissolved in 50 mL of 1% aqueous ammonia, and this solution was acidified as before with 2.5 N H2SO4. The precipitated solids were removed by filtration and washed with Et2O until free of color. After drying under vacuum to a constant weight, there was obtained 3.5 g of d-lysergic acid hydrate, which should be stored in a dark, sealed container.

A suspension of 3.15 g d-lysergic acid hydrate and 7.1 g of diethylamine in 150 mL CHCl3 was brought to reflux with stirring. With the external heating removed, there was added 3.4 g POCl3 over the course of 2 min, at a rate sufficient to maintain refluxing conditions. The mixture was held at reflux for an additional 5 min, at which point everything had gone into solution. After returning to room temperature, the solution was added to 200 mL of 1 N NH4OH. The phases were separated, the organic phase dried over anhydrous MgSO4, filtered, and the solvent removed under vacuum. The residue was chromatographed over alumina with elution employing a 3:1 C6H6/CHCl3 mixture, and the collected fraction stripped of solvent under hard vacuum to a constant weight. This free-base solid can be recrystallized from benzene to give white crystals with a melting point of 87-92 °C. IR (in cm-1): 750, 776, 850, 937 and 996, with the carbonyl at 1631. The mass spectrum of the free base has a strong parent peak at mass 323, with sizable fragments at masses of 181, 196, 207 and 221.

This base was dissolved in warm, dry MeOH, using 4 mL per g of product. There was then added dry d-tartaric acid (0.232 g per g of LSD base), and the clear warm solution treated with Et2O dropwise until the cloudiness did not dispel on continued stirring. This opaqueness set to a fine crystalline suspension (this is achieved more quickly with seeding) and the solution allowed to crystallize overnight in the refrigerator. Ambient light should be severely restricted during these procedures. The product was removed by filtration, washed sparingly with cold methanol, with a cold 1:1 MeOH/Et2O mixture, and then dried to constant weight. The white crystalline product was lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate with two molecules of methanol of crystallization, with a mp of about 200 °C with decomposition, and weighed 3.11 g (66%). Repeated recrystallizations from methanol produced a product that became progressively less soluble, and eventually virtually insoluble, as the purity increased. A totally pure salt, when dry and when shaken in the dark, will emit small flashes of white light.
Piece of cake.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
hahah use my tek for LSD. ;-)

ergotamine + NaOH -> lysergic acid
DEET + NaOH -> diethylamine
lysergic acid + diethylamine + peptitde couple reagent -> LSD-25
 

StreetRider

Active Member
Yup. I Love It.
Most if not all precursor chemicals are watched by the DEA. Even idodine is regulated. P2P has been banned/watched/regulated for years. Most of the chemicals can be/are used for Meth as well. Everytime the regulate a chemical someone like Uncle Fester finds a new formula.

I hate to say it but I believe a meth chemist claiming his work before a LSD or MDMA chemist.

But what do I know I sure can't make pounds of X or Kilo's of LSD on demand.

OF, and grinding up some seeds and extracting the LSA does not a chemist make.

Once again I know nothing. And freely admit it.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Inert atmosphere.. generate N2(g) or H2(g).. or just buy a H2(g) tank at your local party store.. it's a noble gas, contain it.. you now have an inert atmosphere.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Well If You Think It's Hard To Get Ergot. Imagine The Extraction. Just Grow Your Own Rye For Ergot.
yeap. It's difficult to get the fucker off of the rye so I hear, I also hear the yield is piss poor.

Better, start with ergotamin (Cafergot or similar medication, extract from pills). lol prolly have a better yield.
 
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