Making Feminized Seeds w/ 1 Plant - Is it possible?

iampolluted said:

CS isn't cheap, and the stuff from GNC isn't strong enough. IMO, the BEST way to get femmed seeds is to let 1 go past your harvest date and keep checking for male banana's. take those banana's and use the pollen from them on a female plant. it's a simple, no stress way to get femmed seeds. to get the CS you'd need, you'd have to have some very old coins, and a battery charger to extract the silver.

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colloidal silver is expensive???
Really??

First I would never recommend paying for the solution from anybody else.
I don't trust them to make it properly,especially for the application I am
using it for,which requires the silver particles to be so small they are sub
micron.

Colloidal silver actually has a usable shelf life of about 60 days max to be
considered effective,and that is stored in a light proof air tight container.


OK back to economics..

I would be holding onto any silver coins I had and saving them ,precious
metals are ,well shall we say golden?

I purchased 1 coil of 99.996% pure pharmaceutical grade silver wire for about
twenty bucks years ago,,it's not much more today.

I cut 2 leads of about 7" and have alligator clips on them,,they are still in use today
and the reserve is tucked away in the gun safe.
A lifetime supply of CS for twenty bucks....wow pretty damned expensive stuff!


You can go ahead and wait for a shitty mother to create pollen as she is on day 110
I have a schedule to maintain when breeding and mine drop pollen right on time
while the other target mothers are approaching the 30 day mark for pollenation...


good luck with your method.

aeviaanah said:

Of course one would need to start with a healthy mother...one that will not hermie easily in the first place. If a particular female is exhibiting traits such as going hermie easily, why would we breed her? Makes no sense. Yes, I do agree a good female would need to be chosen to even think about breeding. Is sounds like you are more or less explaining how to use CS in a smart and efficient manner. I was more interested in what is happening genetically with the offspring...and after reading around it does seem that changing a gene expression (in the mother) that this could then be passed to offspring...as explained by epigenetics.

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I will endorse the use of colloidal silver for reversals and ethylene inhibition ,,and hell yes in an efficient manner.

But what I am trying in vain to convey to you is that a mother's dna is not influenced by the use of it during a reversal
in any way shape or form.

The offspring are no more prone to reverse or hermie than they would be if females were selected from the same line
and bred with a similar male sharing the same dna.

Reversing a mother which is by default in any of my scenarios a TRUE female and proven,,will not create any more
probability to hermie due to exposure to an ethylene inhibitor....

Inhibiting the ethylene is never going to make cellular changes to dna,,,exposure to radiation will however..
I don't how else to explain this to you people nor am I going to beat the dead horse any further.

I think you should go purchase some silver wire,an air pump,an air diffusor, RO water ,DC voltage supply
6-9 VDC ,,low milliamps.....

Get some CS made up and get busy applying this knowledge and see for yourself ....


Shit! applied science is soo much more fun...!!!!


beats the hell outta sitting here arguing about it!

Nothing better than making a big batch of femmed beans from two
of your favorite mothers.. germing a tray full and looking at all the
absolutely lovely ladies.

Then look at how much coin these bonehead (so called) breeders are
getting for 1 single femmed seed and laugh all the way to the fridge
at your free bag of 2 thousand femmed seeds as you grab another
cold one!



Take care fellas I'm outta here!

well considering not everyone on here has a $40 battery charger and the medical grade silver, $60 isn't exactly cheap. it's not a lot, but it's not $5. hell, i wouldn't even know where to get medical grade silver. lots of others don't or can't either, so they buy old, dare i say, expensive coins.....just saying just because it's cheap to YOU, doesn't mean it will be for everyone. i didn't have to wait 110 days for pollen....just an extra week, some times 2. i'm not here to argue, i'm just offering my opinion, and some knowledge. rodelization is a proven method, and so is CS, and both are capable of producing femmed seeds with 1 more female plant. the real differences are cost and time. not everyone is growing on a strict schedule, or has the shit to do it, or can afford to buy it.....just saying.

Cabron1 said:

You kids are so confused that I just had to clear this up as it really get's me aggravated to read this.


Colloidal silver will not alter a plant's dna in any way so don't even go there..

If you use it on a proven solid mother ,you can pollenate the same mother ,be it another cut of her that is accompanying the reversed pollen producer ,or if some
pollen happens to fertilize some of the pistils on the same reversed mother and produces seed,these will also be of the same dna and will offer the exact same results.


For anybody to even draw a BS conclusion that a plant that has been reversed (with colloidal silver) and produces seeds bearing hermaphrodite plants only due to the practice and utilization of CS is talking out their ass and doesn't have a clue..


It is solely dependent upon the P1 chosen,and her genetic disposition.


Black and white!

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OH ya? What's you name? I call bullshit. Earlier you said you don't have time for such a trivial conversation, but it seems like you're still here, clearing the confusion for us lower life forms. Thanks Bill Nye.

Cabron1 said:

aev

I'll make time for you,since I'm in a good mood and you seem eager to learn,,that my friend is rare today,most think they know it all
and in actuality are absent of even the basics.
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Really, that's why you've made 70 posts since you started last month? Your good mood must not be too rare, take your fucking bi polar bullshit and stick it up your ass.

aeviaanah said:

i believe it does. it induces the hermie gene. making plant more apt to hermie with less involved stress. there is a difference between genetic hermie and stress hermie. a plant with hermie traits fall under genetics...does not need stress to show male flowers. you are right, all plants have potential to hermie under stress.

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some plants will not hermie under stress. no matter what you do to them. these are the ones you want to spray with silver.

Listen you little plant tards..
I've got a shit load of stuff going on!
I can manage to reply to some threads via my cell phone when i get a minute.
I'm simply trying to steer you guys into the clear as you're quite obviously confused!

As Fade 2 BLK stated ,, the same shit I've been saying all along!

I put in 13 years with a German company Internationally as an engineer ,yano what
the Deutsche boys always say?

"you put shit in,you get shit out!"

simple enough right?? that's for you brick heads..


and as far it goes for you PUNK...

I just laugh at posts like that! you're the typical degenerate on sites like this!

the motivator for me not wanting to even help people today online,,,


quite honestly not deserving nor worthy!


I'll just continue to help med patients in real life,,,consult and build their new
grow rooms and sell them my patented hydro units to them....

Michigan is humming with potential for my expertise and I'm working 50 hours a week
taking care of business...payin taxes and still able to buy a new Toyota FJ cruiser with cash in 1 week...write off for my company as well!! lol!! go eat dirt !


This site has very few individuals that are even worth dialog with!


Fade2blk you however have my respect!



Over!

fdd2blk said:

some plants will not hermie under stress. no matter what you do to them. these are the ones you want to spray with silver.

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After doing more research I have to admit I was wrong. It seems to find these 100% females takes some work...as I know lots of marijuana plants carry the hermaphroditic gene. Can we carry this debate in a more efficient/respective manner?

Basically, the only way to increase or decrease the magnitude of the hermie trait would be by breeding under normal circumstances (such as a female with hermie traits to a male known to carry hermie traits as well?) or exposure to radiation?

A good question to answer is how was this hermie gene introduced in the first place?

What kept some plants from not being introduced, and how were they kept from breeding the ones that were. Is the hermie gene due to human interference? If not, how did nature preserve the 100 percent females??

The seeds will only hermie more than any other seeds if the plant has genetic hermie tendecies. What everyone is saying has truth to it but if you take a perfectly healthy female and apply gebric (spelling)acid to a branch it will produce pollen that has no more hermie tendicies than any other feminized seed that is purchased over the internet.... I grew seeds from this process for nearly two years and saw 10 times less hermies than I did with purchased feminized seeds. Its a matter of choice but it does work and is effective but like another poster said if you want to keep your strain then CLONE... I think the real issue with making your own 'feminized seeds' is your germination rates, I found that mine dropped drastically but maybe I was doing something wrong... I eventually started to get germination rates as low as 50% in some cases while clone success rates in my aero cloner are as high as upper 90 percentile,,,but is it possible and fairly effective for cost..definitely but I would just clone.....

the OP was/is inquiring about an auto. no clones for him.....

Carbon1 i knw this isnt your tread. But hey quick question.
Say i have two ladies i would like to "hit". Could i get one lady to produce the (fem) pollen, collect then apply to the other??
Also i have read on a preflowering seed producing method (skunk mag). Its when yu have the mom and shes showin the pistel yu pollenate with a brush (or whatever is best) and weeks later (still in "veg") she produce full healthy babies. So if this method does work would it be possible to get this fem pollen and apply on the dedicated ladies ??
One more can yu give some kinda diagram or run down on a proper CS setup i knw yu gave all the items needed. But im the kind that needs it put step 4 step kinda deal.
(the pharmaceutical grade silver wire isnt much (beside its silver Duh) located some for $36 an oz comes in a 36 inch coil.)

-many thanks
-1gne
peace

A very cheap and easy Colloidal Silver Generator costs ... hmmm, whatever the silver costs really.

First, get a mobile phone charger - if you don't have an old one, you certainly should know someone who has one, as everytime you get a new phone the old charger is useless.

Second, snip off the plug that goes into the phone - expose the two wires and strip off the insulation.

Third, buy two very small alligator clips - they can usually be crimped to the wires and don't need soldering.

Fourth, clip the alligator clips to small bits of silver (wire, coin, tiny ingots) that is 99.99 or better pure silver.

Fifth, get a glass of demineralised water and tape the clips to the edge of the glass so that the silver (not the alligator clips) are partially submerged in the water.

Sixth, put it in a dark room or cover with a cardboard box and switch on the charger - come back 12 to 24 hours later and you have a glass of Colloidal Silver.

Seventh, wrap up your charger, wires and silver and put away until you need to make some more.



Just to repeat, clarify and simplify what has been said ...

Feminised seeds produced through stressing the female to produce pollen (light poisoning, advanced age) will have a genetic tendancy to turn hermie and WILL pass this trait (possibly amplified) to the offspring seeds.

Using Colloidal Silver does NOT stress the plant and does not change the DNA (genetics) of the mother, any offspring seeds will carry the true genes of the mother.

If the mother strain has a tendancy to turn hermie, then the offspring have the same tendancy ... if you have a really stable strain for your mother, the Colloidal Silver process will produce very stable feminised seeds.

And, yes you can use the pollen from one female to pollinate the flowers of another female.

Thanks man n idk what the ppl are talkin bout DNA change and all that (i think just a lil to mush puffy puffy [if thats possible]) n it on now here i came financial freedom.
SN: Why da crap do yu have my pentagram upset dwn. This is not the tru intent of the pentagram. But i bless yu with love my lost friend hope yu find light

1gne said:

Why da crap do yu have my pentagram upset dwn. This is not the tru intent of the pentagram. But i bless yu with love my lost friend hope yu find light

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Hmm, it's not upside down. It is my pewter Baphomet pendant ... pretty isn't it

someplace in the files r directions for this, but from what i read, and remeber, you take a 9 volt battery and tape leads to the side and suspend a silver coin,quarter, or half dollar, in a jar filled with i believe is distilled water, u then "charge the water until it turns cloudy, take this water (called some acid or something) sorry i dont remember all the details, and spray it on female flowers on a branch 2X a week ,the acid causes the flowers to reverse sex. time is important, cause u will need to gather pollen from these flowers and pollinate and have close to 5 wks for the seeds to b viable . also seeds produced in this manner will b hermie, this is not good if ur a breeder. pleeze elp out if any one knows more

beeker said:

someplace in the files r directions for this, but from what i read, and remeber, you take a 9 volt battery and tape leads to the side and suspend a silver coin,quarter, or half dollar, in a jar filled with i believe is distilled water, u then "charge the water until it turns cloudy, take this water (called some acid or something) sorry i dont remember all the details, and spray it on female flowers on a branch 2X a week ,the acid causes the flowers to reverse sex. time is important, cause u will need to gather pollen from these flowers and pollinate and have close to 5 wks for the seeds to b viable . also seeds produced in this manner will b hermie, this is not good if ur a breeder. pleeze elp out if any one knows more

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Errr ... read my post #32.

It's not called some acid or something, it is called Colloidal Silver.
Nope, it doesn't actually go cloudy.
The seeds produced by Colloidal Silver will NOT produce hermie plants UNLESS the mother plant was genetically inclined to become hermie through stress (Colloidal Silver application does NOT stress the plant)

So pretty much you got most of what you wrote ... kinda totally wrong, but yes - you do spray the Colloidal Silver on to part (or all) of the female plant.

Hmm, it's not upside down. It is my pewter Baphomet pendant ... pretty isn't it

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bro it is in fact upside down. This is not the original postion of MY pentagram. My pentagram stands 4 LOVE PEACE TRUTH JUSTICE amd FREEDOM. Yours the opposite. So if mine was 4 the right thing then yours is upside down. And no it not pretty very devilish you must b a devil

1gne said:

And no it not pretty very devilish you must b a devil

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Funny, everyone who sees it thinks it is a very attractive piece of jewelery, exceptionally well sculptured and cast.

Of course it is devilish - that is the whole idea, it doesn't make me a devil any more than wearing a man on a cross makes you jesus.

1 point up pentagram represents the 5 wounds of christ, inverted was the symbol of the Knights Templar - Baphoment and all, or the Free Masons.

i thought an upside down pentagram was ,dare i say it....a STAR. a baphomet is an imagined deity, just like every other deity. to say it is evil is subjective, it's a symbol. symbols can't be evil any more than the word "god". the only things that "makes" them evil is that you actually legitimize evil as a thing, when in fact, it's not. it can be an action that you "believe" is evil (or broken your moral code), and to me it could be perfectly normal. personally, i think belief in any god is evil. you relinquish your own well being to the words of others, not deities.