Making propylene glycol / vegetable glycerin tinctures for e cigs

Not sure if there is a post already about this so ill apologize now. I've seen posts about vg but nothing really about pg. Has anyone made a tincture out of pg before? This is what I have found out so far:

1. Pg is thinner/ less viscous than vg so it vapes better
2. Pg transfers taste but vg does not
3. Pg is harsher on the hit than vg
4. Blending the two is good like 80/20 pg to vg
5. You can steep marihuana in either of these two liquids but it takes 2 months
6. You can speed up this process with heat but waiting is best
7. Best ratio is 8oz of liquid to 1 oz bud

Here are my questions that I hope people can answer:

1. Is marihuana more soluble in pg or vg? Does one work better than the other?
2. I've read posts that say pg is just vg mixed with alcohol. I think this is wrong, what do you think?
3. I've read posts about vg and marihuana both being positively charged so they won't work unless you add something negatively charged like alcohol to make it solvent. What's your experience?
4. Do you need to carbolize (heat to activate) it first like making green dragon or you don't need to because that happens during the vaping process?
5. Does anyone have a definitive recipe that's tested and works using pg that doesn't take 2 months?

im making a 80/20 tincture right now and plan on waiting 2 months unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Well, I can answer questions 2, 3 and 4.
2. No, propylene glycol is not glycerol (vegetable glycerin) mixed with alcohol, it a different molecule. Mixing them may produce a mixture which could possibly be of similar appearance/viscosity, but it will not me the same on a molecular level.
3. This is somewhat inaccurate, because in order for a solvent to dissolve a solute, they must be of the same polarity. Positively charged molecules dissolve other positively charged molecules, and vice-verse. Alcohol is positive, but is also negative, its a bipolar molecule (as with most any alcohol), which is why alcohol will dissolve almost anything, because it can dissolve things with both positive and negative charges.
4. It happens during the vaping process.

Any tincture recipe recommended?

Thanks for answering those questions! Looking forward to seeing how this comes out!

I just posted this on another thread but here ya go

I was going to start a thread on this but thought I would throw my two since in. For an ecig tinicture is using a 50/50 mix of vegetable glycerine and propylene glycol. Making your tinicture using the 24hr method found right here on RIU. Basicly you put whatever you want to make your tinicture (bud and or trimmings) and a 50/50 mix of VG/pg to just cover your product in a slow cooker on the keep warm setting for 24 hours. Then filter using a cheese cloth and store in a dark glass bottle. You now have your master batch

This is were it gets fun. You can find flavoring found here http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/categories/DIY-Flavors/ . You then mix your flavorings using a 80-90% VG/pg to 10-20% flavorings. This mix can be made into smaller amber colored droppers. Using your master batch you can make several different flavors. This mix can be dropped directly under the tongue or put into your refillable e cig packs. Here is a good starter pack for a good price http://www.thevaporpro.com/joye-510-...arter-kit.html

Thank you, stay high

So I think I answered my question if PG or VG is better as a solvent. I took two wine glasses, one filled with PG and the other with VG. I poured olive oil and shook into both. The one with the PG definitely broke down the oil immediately. The one with the VG just separated.

i made some PG/VG tincture and got an ecig atmos knock off.

i put 7g of bud, super dry and ground. 1 oz PG 1 oz VG.
24 hrs in a warm slow cooker.

i have to admit i am not use to the vapor high, but today i vaped with it. took a good 20 hits to feel a buzz, even in morning. i was pretty high all day. prob vaped about 1ml of liquid. its not the same as smoking, but pretty good. i have a pretty high tollerance.

i put some bubble hash in the remaining liquid to stregthen it up. and started a batch of 2oz for 10g, might add some more, as i would like to double the strength of the first batch, gonna let this one sit 2 months.

still need to try some flavors to mask the smell.
can you use any food flavoring, or does it have to be specific to vap pens?

Not sure about the flavorings. I'm waiting the two months with light heat and shaking, no cooking. I did a little test on some olive oil and pg seems to be a better solvent then VG. I'm praying I didn't waste 7g. At the worst I can consume it orally. I take green dragon now, which I love. Check out rts vapes .com , that's where I bought all my supplies and they have flavorings too. Shipped quick in a few days. I'm going to make a ethanol extraction oil next and see how I can add it to my tank. Any ideas?

after adding about half a gram of hash and heating a little....it is much more potent. 5-10 hits now.

next batch should be even stronger after 2 months.

i love my new vape pen. its more descrete, its vape and not smoke.

Dude I just checked my tincture after a month, vaped it and it worked! Check the cooking e cigarette post in this channel. I just posted pics and results. You can def tell the difference from one week to a month! Can't wait to see potency after two months!

My Jar of propylene glycol at one week and four.
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So which is best
Since you tried with both do you merge them both to use them in the e-cig?
is there one that is more potent then the other?

I made 4 version of tincture so far, none of them using the 2-4 month technique you suggest and the potency is not quite there.
I'm an old smoker, used to smoke 20g per week. Since I got a Volcano I'd say I use 10g a week.

When I vape or consume my tincture it's not really getting me high, I have to vape it for a long time or get high first then use the tincture to sustain my high.

I think I'm doing something wrong but I dont know, any one had amazing potency out of a vaporized tincture? If so may I get your recipe?

Let me know!
Thanks

PS: for the 2-4 month process I'm planning in doing both PG and VG too as most e-cig use them both to emulate cigaret, this will ensure the product will work in any e-cig.

wired604 said:

So which is best
Since you tried with both do you merge them both to use them in the e-cig?
is there one that is more potent then the other?

I made 4 version of tincture so far, none of them using the 2-4 month technique you suggest and the potency is not quite there.
I'm an old smoker, used to smoke 20g per week. Since I got a Volcano I'd say I use 10g a week.

When I vape or consume my tincture it's not really getting me high, I have to vape it for a long time or get high first then use the tincture to sustain my high.

I think I'm doing something wrong but I dont know, any one had amazing potency out of a vaporized tincture? If so may I get your recipe?

Let me know!
Thanks

PS: for the 2-4 month process I'm planning in doing both PG and VG too as most e-cig use them both to emulate cigaret, this will ensure the product will work in any e-cig.

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So whitch is better to make the tincture with?Also wouldn't applying heat like makinh pot butter speed up the process?

I only use PG USP medical/food grade. I don't know what other people plan on using their tincture for, but I like to use mine for vaporizing. In my case the concentrate, hash or oil, replaces the VG. Here is my method from A to Z.
http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/blog/532/entry-1026-my-experience-with-portable-vaporizers-pen-vaporizers-for-concentrated-cannabis-oil-and-e-cigarette-oil/

I'm still trying to use vaporizer to quit smoking with some success.I buy the nicotine PG-VG mix and cut it 50% with 80%VG to 20% mix.keep increasing the 80-20 mix to wean myself off the nicotine.

Very interested in your- Experience With Portable Vaporizers- making your own mix.
A couple questions,the RSO (Concentrated Cannabis) do you make it yourself or buy it?
Thats what I'm wanting to do is make my own vapor mix using homegrown bud and VG and PG.
From what I understand I could could soak the ground up bud in the VG for several weeks so it would extract the cannabinoids,then press out the oil to use mixed with PG to use straight in the vaporizer.
What your saying is I need to make RSO and use it straight or thin it some with the PG?
Would you have a recipe for making the RSO from homegrown bud?
Kinda off the point,but the reason I mix the PG and VG is to get the better smoke effect.That to me is part of the enjoyment of smoking blowing out the smoke, but I know not necessary.

THX for answering my post,
Blue Bud

Yes, and yes. I don't use any VG what so ever. You get a nice smoky like hit. Really, it is all personal preference. You can adjust the vaporizer to your desired hit. You can add more PG USP to it. It is all how you prefer to make your e-cannabis oil.

You don't have to use RSO. Here is a link to where I first saw RSO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

I have had people report back to me after using the method I describe in my vaporizing link and they said it worked real well with BHO. I just recently tried QWISO hash, which is similar to RSO but it is not decarbed. I can't tell which one I prefer, RSO or QWISO. I think I like them best mixed 50/50. The QWISO is smoother the RSO has more flavor in the vaporizer.

The cleaner the oil is, the better it works for vaping, especially taste.

Here are a couple of pictures of the QWISO I just tried. It is awesome! I would recommend QWISO first because you can make small amounts. Then you can experiment with your mixtures and get it to where you want it. With RSO, the smallest amount of buds I use is 4 or 5 oz to make the oil. I prefer to use 8 oz or more when making RSO, it is more efficient. With the QWISO I just made I only used just under 1/2 oz. RSO has other benefits when you eat it. It blows the doors off of smoking or vaping anything when it comes to potency, especially when treating a serious illness. RSO is the way to go. With vaporizing, it does not matter. It is whatever you prefer.

QWISO


To make this QWISO, I did a frozen extraction, used 99% isopropyl alcohol, no heat, just fans blowing on it. I will surely make more, I like it.

Here is a link to a journal I have here on how I make my RSO. Towards the end is where I started adding information on QWISO. https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog30912-how-i-make-rso-concentrated.html

Yes, it is a one woman show for me. I do it all myself. I have pretty much learned everything the hard way over the past 13 years. Just took these pictures today.



Here is a close up of the buds on the plates, with a flash.


Close up of the blueberry jam bud without a flash.


You will find more information and links in my RIU how I make RSO journal entry. There is also a link that will lead you to my experience with RSO.

Hope this helps. Peace and God bless.

I like your post. I myself use variable volt mods but not for vaping weed but for smoking. I use vamos and a also got a few mechanical mods as well. I also like your grow setup very nice.

Thanks!

I like the VV pen vapes for stealth. For home use, my favorite is the itazte SVD. With the SVD you can also adjust the wattage. I even had a custom glass tank made for it. This tank uses a cartomizer. I do prefer the iClear30 that the SVD comes with, which is considered a clearomizer.

Love vaping oil! E-cannabis oil rules!!

It looks nice! Growgodess thanks for the insight, I'm not confortable doing RSO or BHO.
I wish I had the proper equipment to do it or know someone who I could buy it off...

So out of my 2 test I cant tell which is best
Alone none, VG is too thick and clog the e-cig, PG hurts throat and barely produce vapor...
Solutions :: I's best to do the extract in both and combine them around a 70 % PG / 30 % VG.
I tend to dislike PG some people are allergic, I'm getting some headache if I vape too many e-juice. So I also tested pure VG with distilled water. Right now my mix is about 75% VG and 25 % DW it works great.
Now about potency, I think it works ok it's just not instant. I take about 5-15 minutes to feel how I feel after having taken 1 bag of my vapir rise vaporiser ( volcano competitor ).

What I love about all this is that I use my fresh plants in the vapir rise, do 1 to 3 bags, which does mean 3 instant high sessions, then used the vaporised product to make my PG/VG oils.

It's amazing how much less product I use and how many time I can re-use it!

So when I'm done doing the extract, I actually keep the plant material adding a 1,l to 1 gram ratio of Vg or PG ex: 10g of plants I would add 10ml back into the resulting plant material) to do snowball and proceed to a cold extraction process while I wait to need more oil.
I heard this was key to achieve maximum potency. Source: Glycerin Extraction Skunk Pharm Research LLC

Ill repost in January/February with my update in potency. I need to finish the 30 ml of product I already have made