Malawi Gold ScrOG with Magenta Kessil

If the roots aren't close to the color of your teeth, then there is an issue!

Just saying...

I played the denial game myself...

ps. found an extremely hearty strain through it though!!!(have to cross this one with something along the way for sure!)

^Slanty said:

Need to breed the proper ones that actually work! I have Sensizym from AN and METG/METB and have cut everything out at this point except for AN 3part and some CAL/MAG supplement and the Heisenberg Tea. I will slowly start adding back other sub-nutes and see if things keep going in the right direction. I know something that I added to my system is contaminated in some sort of way, as I have never had issues like this before.

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Interesting. That makes a little more sense to me now. The Heisenberg is a homemade recipe?

Mohican said:

Thanks All!

This is my first indoor grow and I have been using the FloraNova Bloom which is this brown goo along with the Sea Green which is more brown goo. The roots do not feel slimy and the root area smells like carrots and not like sewage so I think they are healthy. I did have some light getting in which I finally fixed and I think the nutes are too high. I have been using H2O2 all along per LordJin's advice and it really seems to work. It may just be the strain, or the LED, or the fact that she had her roots broken off at a young age, or... ?

I am going to do a flush this weekend and get her nice and hungry and then feed her dialed down nutes. How does that sound?

Plus the outdoor lady looks so happy and June is just starting!

I may just start this indoor grow over with one of her clones and a 600W if I cannot get these flowers to bulk up.

Cheers,
Mo

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See, there you go. If it's not slimy and it smells fresh, it's probably not rot and just heavy FloraNova buildup (which still isn't good, but way better than rot). I'll say it's the salt buildup slowing your growth rather than rot. Your plant looks too healthy to have root rot.

OK - I just drained the res water. I am soaking the second res bucket and pump in H2O2 and water. The pump filter had root fibers - probably from all of my net pot surgery. I may do some more net pot removal today. Should I run just pH-ed water, water plus hydroxide, water plus flush, or...?

Mohican said:

OK - I just drained the res water. I am soaking the second res bucket and pump in H2O2 and water. The pump filter had root fibers - probably from all of my net pot surgery. I may do some more net pot removal today. Should I run just pH-ed water, water plus hydroxide, water plus flush, or...?

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Yeah, give it a flush with the agricultural grade h202. Don't use the supermarket kind.

I think you're overloaded with buildup and need to dislodge some of that. I don't think it's rot. If it was rot, your nose would know it.

Cool - That is what I thought. It does not smell bad, I think I just went to hard with the nutes and fried them.

Mohican said:

Cool - That is what I thought. It does not smell bad, I think I just went to hard with the nutes and fried them.

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Those Nova nutes are rather thick and brown. I had my fair share of battles with brown muck back when I used it.

Give 'em a gentle rinse with pure water and a touch of 29% h202. I bet you'll see some foaming and some of that brown muck will thin out. Then try stripping down your nute regimen to the most essential components and continue to treat with a mild does of h202. The oxygenated fluid will be a real shot in the arm for that inactive area in your root mass.

I'm not saying this is better than the Tea or enzymatic route, but I don't really have that end of things figured out yet. I do know, however, that this works.

OK - Today I had fun with roots. I removed the bottom of the tote and cut away the remaining collar of the net pot. The plant was just hanging from the screen with her roots in a little tub. I performed more net pot surgery and then I got a tub of water and H2O2 and cleaned my roots! There were these clumps of root masses that were just knotted and full of dark matter. I washed the knots several times and changed my tub water each time. There were tons of dark root material that came away each time. Now she is soaking and bubbling in pH-ed water, H2O2 and Clearex. How long should I soak her?

Cheers,
Mo

Mohican said:

OK - Today I had fun with roots. I removed the bottom of the tote and cut away the remaining collar of the net pot. The plant was just hanging from the screen with her roots in a little tub. I performed more net pot surgery and then I got a tub of water and H2O2 and cleaned my roots! There were these clumps of root masses that were just knotted and full of dark matter. I washed the knots several times and changed my tub water each time. There were tons of dark root material that came away each time. Now she is soaking and bubbling in pH-ed water, H2O2 and Clearex. How long should I soak her?

Cheers,
Mo

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So your center root mass from the stalk is bare?

If you gave it a good rinse and lots of dead root matter came away, you shouldn't soak in water much longer than a few hours.

I took some pics and I will post later. I had a marathon day working on this girl. Indoor is soo much work and if I lose her it will all be for nothing!

Mohican said:

I took some pics and I will post later. I had a marathon day working on this girl. Indoor is soo much work and if I lose her it will all be for nothing!

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Let's see it.

lordjin said:

Let's see it.

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Yeah... what he said.

I also forgot to ask what your PH has been doing before you did the clean out?

Got my fingers crossed for you, man!

Also, I don't recall whether this has been mentioned, but I'm not sure those CFLs are doing anything if they're as far away as they look in that picture. You want CFLs to be about 1-2 inches from your leaves. I don't know about the LED light, but I imagine it wouldn't hurt to put it a lot closer too. That stretching looks like it's from low-light, not just normal sativa stretch.

Sorry about the delay in posting - been busy. The pH was holding steady at 5.8 but the nute uptake and water uptake stopped dead. The laeves are not showing any problems so I am not sure what effect we will see from this episode.

I added the CFLs just to augment the LED because the sides were not growing as fast as the center. The probloem is that the CFLs add heat - which I thought the Malawi would like. However the res temps and roots might be suffering from it. It actually looks like the flowers are still growing so we will see what happens. Lukily I have the outdoor girls that are going nuts. Pictures tomorrow it life doesn't get in the way!

Nutes today - 0-10-10 600 ppm
pH 6.5

Cheers,
Mo

how hot is it at canopy level Mo ?? (right at the tips..) if its lower than 25 degrees c lower the lamps if you have a fan blowing over the tips, it will be difficult to burn them with cfl's i imagine... they are hot, but no where near that of a 250/400/600 hps, i have seen many cfl grows where they literally have them 3-4 inches away from the buds!!?? and they seemed to be doing great, all trial and error Mo, and as for the root system, i think she needs to rebuild herself, i think she is highly stressed now, there is roots but not root hairs by the looks, and from what i've been reading up...Like i think slanty said, some beneficial bacteria would help. Seeing as you are in flower, i really hope it goes well Mo, as this is the crucial time. The plant will still be sustaining itself for some time, so I think you have time to rectify the issue. It's like leaving a cutting in water for a few days, it will keep her alive, but not sustain life. Make some more new roots Mo! Good luck, i hope all goes well

Flo

OK -First a quick update - I think I know where I messed up. When I added the second res I put an airstone in it and figured I did not need so many in the main res so I only had one in the LordJin tote. I think that this is why I got the root issues. I now have five stones in the LJT and one more is soaking in H2O2 to make sure it is sterile before I add it.

I tried to FIM the big clone and the growth tip broke off in my hand so I guess that means I topped it. Then I did FIM one of the two tips that were below the topping. This only caused the other tip to grow fast and not get thicker. So I decided to remove the fast growing tip to promote the FIM tip to grow. The tip I removed is now in the clone tray and may be my replacement for the indoor girl if she does not recover.



FIM and Clip spots







Clipping in clone tray





Cheers,
Mo

Mohican said:

OK -First a quick update - I think I know where I messed up. When I added the second res I put an airstone in it and figured I did not need so many in the main res so I only had one in the LordJin tote. I think that this is why I got the root issues. I now have five stones in the LJT and one more is soaking in H2O2 to make sure it is sterile before I add it.

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So you think it was a lack of DO that caused it? Could be. Once in my early days, I had one of those crappy bubble wands fail on me. It went with a paltry amount of bubbles for an entire day... All brown just like that with Nova.

Here it is finally! Some shots of the roots after all of my cleaning and net pot removal.

Notice anything missing?





















I knew when I took the roots out of the LJT I had to remember to put the tote lid on first. I forgot! I was doing all of the reconstruction under very dim green light - it was very frustrating. hehe


Everything is back together and I upped the nutes to 900 ppm and the pH is down to 6.2. Oh by the way I just read the Mad Farmer pH down label again and it is Phosphoric Acid!


Cheers,
Mo

It is hard to believe that this tiny clone is getting so big!


When I clipped this off it had leaves no bigger than a Tylenol caplet:









Now look at it:

Day 29 outside








Day 30 outside








It is really getting some cool structure