Male + Female Plants = Seeds????

grannybonger said:

^^Can a virgin female produce pussy juice? yes. Will a virgin pussy get wet without a male? no. (unless self induced) does a female naturally get induced? no. So you need a male or there's a pretty good chance your thc has no pop. IMO.

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I think the whole feminized seeds thing is a way for seed breeders to get us to keep coming back to buy more.... and I see why they would want to do that. They created their strains, they run a business and they need to keep making money to keep making new strains and seeds. Also feminized seeds are good for people who dont want to go thru the whole process of growing and then sexing and then possibly getting a seedy batch.
NOW that I got that out of the way....
I buy some Feminized seeds just cause I know they will be female and I want to get things going fast without having to clone indoors. Yes its pricey but it is one way to keep it away from the house ( Im paranoid lol) but I buy mostly regular seeds and SAVE the best males pollen to fertilize the best females. I also experiment and make my own crosses. Also.....ESPECIALLY for Auto-flowers.... the seeds are almost all feminized now..... they are pricey and they dont yeild as much as NORMAL strains. I am lucky in that I have saved myself a lot of time and money, making my own seeds and crosses. Just keep a male away from your females and harvest its pollen.... use a little paint brush and paint the pollen on a few buds of your best girls. The other buds will be fine and in the end.......You have more seeds!

matthebrute said:

im not sure what a resin pouch is dude.

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There is no such thing as a resin pouch. What was being referred to were the calyx, the small individual female flowers that grow in clusters to form what most people consider to be the female flower, also called buds or flower tops. But they are not resin pouches.

if you want seeds, you take a male and let it pollinate a female and at the end of harvest the result is seeds with one male chromosome (a "Y") and a female one("X"). these are the seeds you want to produce. when you get swag with seeds it is most likely because the person that grew it did not do, or try to do a good job, and the plant became to stressed and formed a male part on the plant (often called a hermie, or hermaphrodite), when that male part pollenates the plant it formed on (self-pollinating) it then produces seeds, these seeds are feminized seeds which means they have the same two female chromosomes ("XX" instead of "XY") in this case the seed will only produce a female plant, but in my opinion and many others this not the way to go, because feminized seeds are a lot more likely to turn hermie, like there mothers did. so basically if you want to keep a strain either keep a male plant and let it pollinate one of your females, or jus keep a mother plant and clone off of it.

Thank you all for you input, this really cleared a lot up for me. I don't think I will go w/ buying feminized seeds I agree w/ another poster as it seems like it's a marketing scheme to keep money rolling in and it's not ever 100% guaranteed to be female as they have a tendency to go hermie on us. I think the option I will go w/ is to get pollen from one and use the paint brush method..


I guess my final question would be would the male strain matter?

For example you use the pollen from a Nirvana White Rhino Male on different strains on any different breed for example we will use Nirvanas bubblicious and Shiva. Do the White Rhino Male Genetics cross-breed to create a new strain w/ the seeds? Would those seeds be White Rhino x Bubbilicous or White Rhino x Shiva seeds?

The quick answer to the question is that in any given strain the seedless females (ie "sinsemilla") will be much more potent than seeded ones. So the best quality weed is always seedless, and if you have the ability to create seedless weed, you ought to do so.

In general, the only way to absolutely ensure seedless weed is to grow it indoors. Outdoors, female plants are at the mercy of stray male pollen that can float for miles through the air. If someone half a mile away from you didn't pull all their male plants, your outdoor female could get fertilized.

Next, the seeds take up a considerable amount of weight all by themselves. If you're paying per pound for weed, of course all else being equal, you want seedless. Lastly, seeded weed requires more work to prepare for smoking. Wouldn't be a big deal if it were stronger, but since its weaker in potency, that's just another negative.

Does the male strain matter? Of course it does.

If you cross a male chihuahua with a German Shephard female, you don't end up with a German Shephard. . .you end up with some sort of mix. The same is true of pretty much **ALL* sexual reproduction. The offspring will exhibit traits from both parents.

Now genetics is a bit complicated, more than I'm willing to go into in a short post like this, but if you were to cross White Rhino with Bubblelicious, yes, you'd end up with something different than either White Rhino OR Bubblicious. You might end up with something that had positive traits from both. . .but you might also end up with something that had negative traits from both! (Or some positive, some negative, etc).

Not only that, but if you did that cross ten times, in theory you might end up with ten different offspring each with slightly or even vastly different characteristics (ie "phenotypes").

This is the same way that siblings from the same parents will look a little different (in some cases dramatically different) and have their own unique personalities.

Much of the art of breeding (weed, but anything else, including tomatoes, dogs, horses, etc) is recognizing which phenotypes are desirable, then cross, or back-breeding them to stabilize their genes into a true-breeding strain.

The only reason I see for mating is crossing strains. Besides that, get rid of males ASAP, they'll drop pollen and all of your babies will get fucked

LOL. Some of the responses here, LOL.

Mammals have different chemistry than plants bro.

Thc is produced in hopes of catching male pollen. If a male isn't sensed to be around more thc is produced by the female to catch any available, if any, male pollen that is available. If a male is sensed, or nearby a female , not as much thc is produced because the female doesn't need to produce as much because the male pollen is sensed = greater chances of pollination=keeping the strain (blood line) alive

Making direct associations makes life simpler. So if there's any relation at all, thc is produced to attact a male. In relation, a dog in heat, the thc would be the smell, there's no blood so the thc is the pussy juice. bla, bla. Females get in heat naturally, so there you go, no male needed, they just get wetter and wetter.

thenoblefarmer said:

I guess my final question would be would the male strain matter?

For example you use the pollen from a Nirvana White Rhino Male on different strains on any different breed for example we will use Nirvanas bubblicious and Shiva. Do the White Rhino Male Genetics cross-breed to create a new strain w/ the seeds? Would those seeds be White Rhino x Bubbilicous or White Rhino x Shiva seeds?

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1. Depending on the strain the male used in a cross can make a real difference. An example would be the original White Widow, that was renamed Black Widow. If using it in a cross it is best to use the male White Widow/Black Widow rather than a female. The male passes on the most of the desired traits in a cross better than the female does.

2. If you want to make good or high quality crosses, do not use crap genetics from Nirvana. Their line is mostly knockoffs and F2s, sometimes renamed so they can claim them to be their own creation. They have next to no quality control on their seed production so you can never be sure of what you will receive. Nirvana is the AOL of seed companies. Just like how AOL attracts people who are new to the internet and who do not know there are far better options available, Nirvana attracts people who are new to growing and who do not know there are far better options available.

The Nirvana customers here will scream bloody murder over that, but that is because they will feel insulted, they will feel their intelligence was brought into question due to their picking, and possibly sticking with, Nirvana. The typical Nirvana customer will eat a yard of their own shit before they will admit that they chose low grade genetics. Nevertheless, low grade is precisely what Nirvana genetics are.

If you want a quality cross, start with quality genetics. Even then the average grower will almost never end up with the best that can be found from a cross due to limitations of money, limitations of space and limitations of knowledge. They will not be able to grow enough plants, both male and female, to pick the very best phenotypes to then use to cross them with the plants of the opposite sex in every possible combination. A skilled professional breeder can begin with 500, 1000 or more plants only to cull them down to 50 or 20 males and females to then make every possible crossing combination with so they can find the best of the best. Even then at times they are not successful in finding anything truly special. It can take years and years working with the same breeding stock for a skilled breeder to find the right cross, one that is worthy to be marketed.

True breeding is much, much more than chucking pollen and making seeds.

grannybonger said:

Making direct associations makes life simpler. So if there's any relation at all, thc is produced to attact a male. In relation, a dog in heat, the thc would be the smell, there's no blood so the thc is the pussy juice. bla, bla. Females get in heat naturally, so there you go, no male needed, they just get wetter and wetter.

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Animals are different than plants. The laws of attractiona aren't the same. Marijuana is the only plant kown to man that is either male or female ( hermaphrodites occur ). So...
marinate on that

kimish said:

Animals are different than plants. The laws of attractiona aren't the same. Marijuana is the only plant kown to man that is either male or female ( hermaphrodites occur ). So...
marinate on that

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That's not true.

Brick Top said:

1. Depending on the strain the male used in a cross can make a real difference. An example would be the original White Widow, that was renamed Black Widow. If using it in a cross it is best to use the male White Widow/Black Widow rather than a female. The male passes on the most desired traits in a cross than the female does.

2. If you want to make good or high quality crosses, do not use crap genetics from Nirvana. Their line is mostly knockoffs and F2s, sometimes renamed so they can claim them to be their own creation. They have next to no quality control on their seed production so you can never be sure of what you will receive. Nirvana is the AOL of seed companies. Just like how AOL attracts people who are new to the internet and who do not know there are far better options available, Nirvana attracts people who are new to growing and who do not know there are far better options available.

The Nirvana customers here will scream bloody murder over that, but that is because they will feel insulted, they will feel their intelligence was brought into question due to their picking, and possibly sticking with, Nirvana. The typical Nirvana customer will eat a yard of their own shit before they will admit that they chose low grade genetics. Nevertheless, low grade is precisely what Nirvana genetics are.

If you want a quality cross, start with quality genetics. Even then the average grower will almost never end up with the best that can be found from a cross due to limitations of money, limitations of space and limitations of knowledge. They will not be able to grow enough plants, both male and female, to pick the very best phenotypes to then use to cross them with the plants of the opposite sex in every possible combination. A skilled professional breeder can begin with 500, 1000 or more plants only to cull them down to 50 or 20 males and females to then make every possible crossing combination with so they can find the best of the best. Even then at times they are not successful in finding anything truly special. It can take years and years working with the same breeding stock for a skilled breeder to find the right cross, one that is worthy to be marketed.

True breeding is much, much more than chucking pollen and making seeds.

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Glad to see you back brother.

kimish said:

Marijuana is the only plant kown to man that is either male or female ( hermaphrodites occur ). So...
marinate on that

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That is just so very, very inaccurate. It is yet another example of how totally inaccurate information is posted on grow sites by people who really do not know what in the wide, wide world of sports they are talking about, resulting in even more people believing something that is untrue.

Cannabis is a dioecious plant. In dioecious plants, male flowers appear on one plant and female flowers on another. To list just a few examples of dioecious plants: date palms, hops, asparagus, kiwi, holly, papaya, mulberry, aucubas, gingkos and of course hemp/cannabis.

There are many more monoecious plants (plants that have both male and female reproductive organs) than there are dioecious plants, but cannabis is NOT: "the only plant kown to man that is either male or female
(hermaphrodites occur.)" as it was totally inaccurately claimed to be.

If you are going to tell others how things are, get an education first, people.