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Mandala Seeds - Satori Grow
- Thread starter SnowWhite
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I've grown Ganesh, Hashberry and Mandala #1. The first round went almost exactly like Snow's.
I've seen lots of hermies but NO SEEDS. Remember that not all male flowers are fertile. Obviously lots are. A friend has gotten a few undeveloped seeds from the Ganesh but so far (about 9 1000 watt crops between me and my friends) it is not a problem. The company is clear that they breed for nutrient use efficiency and local characteristics and talks about the cons of "traditional" cannabis genetics. If you read between the lines, "traditional" = 1) Get rid of hermies, 2) Standardize 3) Photoperiod reduction etc. These genetics should be thought of as the grey area between landraces and modern strains and some hermies should be expected. BUT, imo selecting a good mother and keeping feeding low they will not be a problem.
2 systems were used.
1) I used a blend of FFOF, Roots and Vital Earth Soil and feed LOW amounts of PBP, LK, CM+. 12 plants under a 1000 watt SCROG. The plants got no ferts during a one month veg and move slowly up to 2 gallon smart pots. I started feeding with just LK during trans and by week 3 flower started adding PBPB. Slowly worked up to 800 ppm feeding.
Everything went well till week 5 and then, hermies and lockout.
2) Ebb and flow, rockwool chunks, same nutrients. Veg at 400-800. Flower from 800-1000ppm.
This tray went to shit asap. As soon as they went to flower they stunted. NO stretch or veg in 1st two weeks. Never filled out. Bad leaf curl. Flushed. Got worse. Yellowed....
It looked like the hydro tray was toast early but the yield were almost identical to the soil tray. I got up to 2.2 ounces of some off the plants in both systems (this was a mother selection with all three strains so it was highly variable) the product was good (B+ by Colorado dispensary standards) but not great. It lacked aroma and the hairs locked burnt. I even harvested at 60 days (all strains) because the hairs were maturing faster than the trichs. A little over 1 pound per 1000 watts (low yield mostly explained by the runts in the trays).
About 20% of the plants had bud mold which is really rare in Colorado. My humidity was fine but the buds were enormous.
Mandala insists that over feeding their plants will cause male flowers, premature pistil wilt, premature end to flowering and many other problems. I saw all of this. They also insist that PBP has inappropriate NPK values for their plants. In my experience this appears to be true. OR they are really hard to grow?
I've tried again with various nutrient regimes (and topping the plants to fight the bud rot, which works) and still not nailed it, in fact things have gotten way worse. I tried the Mandala website directions (virtually no feeding) but that reduced my yields considerably. The plants yellowed instantly and did not recover after a feeding (it was too late). I tried using Liquid Karma and Roots Trinity (both have very low NPK but lots of love) but this caused INSTANT yellowing, probably from the molasses in the Trinity. Once again they did not recover. My next attempt just went into flower.
I used a blend of Roots and FFOF soil, 16 plant (Mandal 1 and Hashberry) SCROG. They stunted for a week or so after being transplanted into full strength soil but were veging vigorously when the went in to flowering. These will get one feeding at the end of week one with a blend of Liquid Karma (50ppm) and GH Flora Nova Bloom (100ppm). Then I'll double this and feed them every ten days or so till week 6. Ive learned that Roots Trinity will strip the soil of N almost immediately so I'll use it once after week six.
If anyone knows these strains well and thinks my new plan sucks or is crazy PLEASE chime in. I've had three trays in a row with under a pound and I'm feed up (and bankrupt). My next tray will be Grape Kush (a plant I know I can grow) but I see a ton of potential in the Mandala. The Mandala #1 is the densest Peppery/Sage Sativa I've ever seen and finishes faster than most strains (you would not know this was a hybrid if all you could do was smell and smoke it, its even short). Both strains should easily give 2lb/1000watts if they can yield 2.2 ounce plants (I had 12 per tray but 16 would have fit).
I've seen lots of hermies but NO SEEDS. Remember that not all male flowers are fertile. Obviously lots are. A friend has gotten a few undeveloped seeds from the Ganesh but so far (about 9 1000 watt crops between me and my friends) it is not a problem. The company is clear that they breed for nutrient use efficiency and local characteristics and talks about the cons of "traditional" cannabis genetics. If you read between the lines, "traditional" = 1) Get rid of hermies, 2) Standardize 3) Photoperiod reduction etc. These genetics should be thought of as the grey area between landraces and modern strains and some hermies should be expected. BUT, imo selecting a good mother and keeping feeding low they will not be a problem.
2 systems were used.
1) I used a blend of FFOF, Roots and Vital Earth Soil and feed LOW amounts of PBP, LK, CM+. 12 plants under a 1000 watt SCROG. The plants got no ferts during a one month veg and move slowly up to 2 gallon smart pots. I started feeding with just LK during trans and by week 3 flower started adding PBPB. Slowly worked up to 800 ppm feeding.
Everything went well till week 5 and then, hermies and lockout.
2) Ebb and flow, rockwool chunks, same nutrients. Veg at 400-800. Flower from 800-1000ppm.
This tray went to shit asap. As soon as they went to flower they stunted. NO stretch or veg in 1st two weeks. Never filled out. Bad leaf curl. Flushed. Got worse. Yellowed....
It looked like the hydro tray was toast early but the yield were almost identical to the soil tray. I got up to 2.2 ounces of some off the plants in both systems (this was a mother selection with all three strains so it was highly variable) the product was good (B+ by Colorado dispensary standards) but not great. It lacked aroma and the hairs locked burnt. I even harvested at 60 days (all strains) because the hairs were maturing faster than the trichs. A little over 1 pound per 1000 watts (low yield mostly explained by the runts in the trays).
About 20% of the plants had bud mold which is really rare in Colorado. My humidity was fine but the buds were enormous.
Mandala insists that over feeding their plants will cause male flowers, premature pistil wilt, premature end to flowering and many other problems. I saw all of this. They also insist that PBP has inappropriate NPK values for their plants. In my experience this appears to be true. OR they are really hard to grow?
I've tried again with various nutrient regimes (and topping the plants to fight the bud rot, which works) and still not nailed it, in fact things have gotten way worse. I tried the Mandala website directions (virtually no feeding) but that reduced my yields considerably. The plants yellowed instantly and did not recover after a feeding (it was too late). I tried using Liquid Karma and Roots Trinity (both have very low NPK but lots of love) but this caused INSTANT yellowing, probably from the molasses in the Trinity. Once again they did not recover. My next attempt just went into flower.
I used a blend of Roots and FFOF soil, 16 plant (Mandal 1 and Hashberry) SCROG. They stunted for a week or so after being transplanted into full strength soil but were veging vigorously when the went in to flowering. These will get one feeding at the end of week one with a blend of Liquid Karma (50ppm) and GH Flora Nova Bloom (100ppm). Then I'll double this and feed them every ten days or so till week 6. Ive learned that Roots Trinity will strip the soil of N almost immediately so I'll use it once after week six.
If anyone knows these strains well and thinks my new plan sucks or is crazy PLEASE chime in. I've had three trays in a row with under a pound and I'm feed up (and bankrupt). My next tray will be Grape Kush (a plant I know I can grow) but I see a ton of potential in the Mandala. The Mandala #1 is the densest Peppery/Sage Sativa I've ever seen and finishes faster than most strains (you would not know this was a hybrid if all you could do was smell and smoke it, its even short). Both strains should easily give 2lb/1000watts if they can yield 2.2 ounce plants (I had 12 per tray but 16 would have fit).
in second picture n and mg definence?It's the middle of week 5. 39 days since I popped the seeds into the dirt and it's starting to get interesting now! I'm pretty certain I'm seeing some pre-flowers developing, but I'm not toally sure on them yet, so I'm not going to comment any more on this for now.
I am seeing some slight N and Mg def, so I've given them all a nice light feed of Bio Grow (1ml/litre) and also foliar fed some Epsom Salts with a very light Alg-a-mic dose. I think they will like this feed a lot! They'll be getting nice fresh soil soon as well, they will like this even more!
My roots are starting to poke out the bottom of my 6" pots, so I know they are very ready for the final repot, which will be happening on Friday. I'm going for a 10l (aprox 2.5 gal) final pot size this time. Last grow I used 15l (aprox 4 gal) pots for flowering, but I think 10l will work much better for me in my space this time, but we'll see.
Here's some pics anyway.....
Front left is the one I topped.
Middle one is my 'runt'....this plant is insane, it's going to be be a BUSH!! Please be a girl!
i have same problem now on my satori. white semptoms on leaves. what should i do?
thamnk you