Marijuana in general losing potency over the last few months...

GreenSummit said:

i disagree with you here. a two year cure where the microbes eat all that chlorophyll???? no way! i dont want ANYTHING eating away at my buds while its curing. and microbes decomposing your buds as its stored will never make it more potent, it would any degrade your bud.

how are you storing yours anyway that microbes would be able to keep breaking it down? that doesnt even come close to sounding right.

come on now.

and im not being an ass, im just shocked, perhaps i misunderstood what you typed but i re-read it a couple times so i think not.

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LOL! I was buying what he was selling until he dropped the microbe line.

tomcat, I think you jumped the shark on that one.

The average weed will produce a tolerance in no time but fire will always light ones mind and body no matter the tolerance level . But none the less the effects will never be like they were before acquiring a tolerance of this magnitude !

I believe the chlorophyll to sugar change over time only effects the smoke, not the buzz. Like a no brand cigarette vs. a Cuban cigar. As for MJ's psychoactive effects, at harvest you have THC A (acid) which in time (or with heat) changes to simply THC which accounts for the buzz. The process is much more scientific than I intend to be, but you get my point

st0wandgrow said:

If the weed is properly stored in an air-tight sealed container then there would be no oxygen for the microbes to survive. I can wrap my brain around a lot of different claims when it comes to curing, but I don't think there are microscopic critters processing our nugs for us in sealed jars. Chemical processes occurring for a *while*, sure ..... but I'm not buying the microbe thingy.

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Cory and trevor: I appreciate your enthusiasm however you are incorrect here. sure, yes there are microbes everywhere, i know that. but in a long term storage situation there arent enough microbes there working to make a difference. if there were enough to make a difference you would see colonies on your buds. the microbes would become visible to the eye. at that point they would be making a difference and you definitely would NOT want to smoke/eat/use your buds in any fashion. this is why you are wrong.

Also, I have a biology degree. I have done LOTS of culturing and experiments with microbes.

^^^^ not sure why it didnt quote cory and trevor also, but st0wandgrow im with you.

JeromeT said:

Hmmmm.... I don't know if it's just MJ burnout. Some of my patients have been smoking non stop for 30 - 40 years.

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Do you know what the word tolerance means?

Take a day or two off and come back at it. It's like a whole new world.

I use to think I didn't get paranoid anymore. Took a tolerance break and the next time I smoked my heart was racing and I was freaking about shit that didn't matter.

Cannabis in general is becoming more potent.. Genetics are important..

Weedz b Baked said:

Do you know what the word tolerance means?

Take a day or two off and come back at it. It's like a whole new world.

I use to think I didn't get paranoid anymore. Took a tolerance break and the next time I smoked my heart was racing and I was freaking about shit that didn't matter.

Cannabis in general is becoming more potent.. Genetics are important..

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I know how you feel.

anytime i take a break for longer than a week and smoke again, its panic attack city, heart racing and everything.

kinda sucks but enjoyable to get that high. i think people just forget they need a break sometimes.

JeromeT said:

I've had some of my patients and friends of their tell me that ALL marijuana doesn't have the kick that it used to. (starting a year ago) This isn't confined to one strain but ALL strains. Strains they have had by me in the past now seem much less potent. Other medicine I've gotten for them from other caregivers don't have that kick any more either. This isnt a burn out on one strain phenomenon, but ALL strains. This isn't just medicine they have gotten from me but stuff they have gotten from other people. People I don't know. Anyone else experiencing this?

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Where are you from? Ive been smoking for 14 years and I got some GSC that will put you into a stupor. Get out to California, THC tests show % of THC climbing with each new strain.

I'd like to know how you all get all the air out of your containers. squish the buds down real hard? P.S. been testing cookies all day pay no mind the the previous and next 24 hours of posts...

The summer months could be a reason also.. a lot grow rooms are running hot.

sniff a few brand new mason jar -

and tell me what you think that smell is imparting to your medicine. ain't this a discussion about motherskunkin curin'? stick your face inside the empty jar! Really, running that lid through the dishwasher is gonna get that chemmy-tuna smell out?

so....why do we burp the jars during curing? to replace the stagnated absence of air? Now its probably more like theman said sugar conversion and all but I'm pretty sure air is needed for it and I'm also pretty sure nobody is getting all the air out of their jars for cure nor for long term storage. oh, real quick: lots of people have degrees here the guy that waves his is either a liar or just a dick. what was the name of your biological curing degree anyway? Abe, that smell is fucked up and I'm with you. isn't the gooey shit a known carcinogen as well or did they finally move on to another substance for the seal ring?

st0wandgrow said:

If the weed is properly stored in an air-tight sealed container then there would be no oxygen for the microbes to survive. I can wrap my brain around a lot of different claims when it comes to curing, but I don't think there are microscopic critters processing our nugs for us in sealed jars. Chemical processes occurring for a *while*, sure ..... but I'm not buying the microbe thingy.

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air tight.. but with air.. you want air in there... that is how the whole process works..

you are trying to wick away moisture very slowly, at the same time you are allowing the break down of things you down want... whether stow likes it or not.. there are microbes EVERYWHERE... and yes.. there are ones that love eating chlorophyll.. a lot of things do. you dont think one microbe species out of the trillions that exist wouldn't like chlorophyll?

A good wash removes any smells... don't know what kinda jars you are buying but my mason jars are completely fine. I do have some jars which have wicked build up of trichs. Looks Like a fine layer of yellow gold.

Wanted to add I think the "loss of potency" is from the lack of a good cure (at least two weeks, a month is best) and tolerance buildup

TonightYou said:

Wanted to add I think the "loss of potency" is from the lack of a good cure (at least two weeks, a month is best) and tolerance buildup

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I would say 2 weeks is rushing it but that might just be me..

I say that as a minimum. I don't touch my stuff until 4 weeks. I do agree that 2 weeks, not counting drying, is a bit hasty. But it seems the art of curing is lost on many growers.
Right now I've got OG18 and Kosher curing, won't be another 3 weeks before a smoke.

Cory and trevor said:

so....why do we burp the jars during curing? to replace the stagnated absence of air? Now its probably more like theman said sugar conversion and all but I'm pretty sure air is needed for it and I'm also pretty sure nobody is getting all the air out of their jars for cure nor for long term storage. oh, real quick: lots of people have degrees here the guy that waves his is either a liar or just a dick. what was the name of your biological curing degree anyway? Abe, that smell is fucked up and I'm with you. isn't the gooey shit a known carcinogen as well or did they finally move on to another substance for the seal ring?

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"Burping" is done to release the moisture from the jar which is dissipating out of the bud. If you have dried your weed properly before jarring it, the burping process should take no more than a week. After that your jar is left sealed (air-tight). Yes there is some oxygen in the jar when you seal it, but in the absence of any air exchange from that point forward any microscopic critters in the jar will die in short order. If you don't believe me go catch a bug, put it in an air-tight mason jar, seal it, and take note of how long the bug lives without any air exchange. Sorry, but there are no little critters in the jar improving upon your weed when you seal it.

tomcatjones said:

air tight.. but with air.. you want air in there... that is how the whole process works..

you are trying to wick away moisture very slowly, at the same time you are allowing the break down of things you down want... whether stow likes it or not.. there are microbes EVERYWHERE... and yes.. there are ones that love eating chlorophyll.. a lot of things do. you dont think one microbe species out of the trillions that exist wouldn't like chlorophyll?

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tomcat, I'm sure there are microorganisms on the surface of your weed when you stick it in your jar. You have suggested that weed strengthens in potency the longer it sits undisturbed in an air tight jar. Once you seal the jar and leave it, there is no air exchange from that point forward, so the little critters that you claim are munching away on only undesirable things (how do they know only to eat *only* the things we want purged from the bud??) will be dead in a very short period of time. I do believe that chemical processes continue for a while after the bud is jarred (as theman13 pointed out), but a blog entry from Kyle Kushman on a weed forum is not enough evidence to convince me of what you're trying to claim here. And yes, I'm aware that there are microorganisms everywhere. I depend upon them to break down the organic inputs in my soil to feed my plants. However, without sufficient aeration in my soil, the mix will turn anaerobic and things will end badly. Every living organism on the planet needs oxygen to survive.