Marijuana legislation will not achieve its objectives and should be defeated

gb123

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Bill C-45 is horrible legislation which will not achieve its objectives and should never see the light of day. The Senate will do its job and thoroughly study the Bill, but Canadians will be well-served if it is defeated, writes Alberta Senator Betty Unger.

y SENATOR BETTY UNGER
PUBLISHED :Wednesday, Dec. 20, 2017 10:07 AM
It’s difficult to remember the last time the federal government and the provinces came to an agreement on revenue sharing in a single day. But that’s what happened last week when the feds agreed to give the provinces 75 per cent of tax revenue generated by the sale of marijuana.
Initially, the Trudeau government was going to share only 50 per cent of the tax proceeds with the provinces. But when the provinces protested—noting that they will carry the brunt of the costs associated with legalization—Finance Minister Bill Morneau backed down. Like mob bosses divvying up the spoils, everyone went away happy that they were going to get their “fair share” of the latest heist.
The ease and enthusiasm with which the deal was closed reeks of self-interest. Mesmerized by the lure of tax dollars dangled by the federal government, the provinces took the bait and bit hard. Rather than challenging the government’s legalization agenda with the hard questions, they acquiesced without a whimper, thereby selling out the future well-being of our young people.
Perhaps they believed Prime Minister Trudeau’s talking points on marijuana legalization: We need to legalize marijuana in order to keep it out of the hands of children, protect the health of users, and remove the criminal element from the business. Who would not support those outcomes? The problem is, legalization will achieve none of them. In actual fact, it will do the opposite.
Consider the experience of Colorado: Prior to the legalization of marijuana, youth usage had been in a four-year decline. After legalization, this decline abruptly stopped and marijuana usage by youth began to rise. Colorado now leads the U.S. in marijuana usage amongst 12 – 17-year-olds.
And it’s not just Colorado. Youth usage of marijuana in U.S. states that have legalized marijuana surpasses usage in those that have not legalized.
If this seems odd or merely coincidental, it is neither. Researchers at the University of Michigan noted that, “Perceived risk for marijuana has fallen substantially in recent years as the recent string of states that have legalized recreational marijuana use have led some youth to believe the drug is safe and state-sanctioned.” In other words, legalization creates normalization which decreases the perception of risk and results in increased usage.
So what about Trudeau’s claim that legalizing marijuana will shut down the black market and remove the criminal element? It’s an attractive proposition, but there’s only one problem — the police disagree, the experts disagree and the experience disagrees.
When Joanne Crampton, RCMP assistant commissioner of federal policing criminal operations addressed the House Health Committee studying Bill C-45, she said, “There are a number of issues that will need to be addressed to fight organized crime, including the possibility that the black market could undercut legal marijuana sales.” As for the odds of eliminating the black market through legalization, she said it would be “naïve to think that that could happen.”
Dr. Kevin Sabet, a former drug policy adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama, told the same House Committee that it is “delusional” to believe that legalizing marijuana will remove the criminal element. The black market has not gone away in Colorado, Oregon or Washington State, which have all legalized the recreational use of marijuana. In many cases, criminal activity has increased.
The government’s suggestion that they can protect public health by legalizing marijuana is also seriously misguided. There is no such thing as a safe supply of marijuana for youth. In the words of Dr. Amy Porath, Director, Research and Policy at the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction, “There should be no cannabis use below the age of 25 if you want to protect brain development.”
Trudeau tells us that by regulating growing conditions, chemical usage, mould, and THC content, the government will be able to ensure users have a safe, secure supply of marijuana. This is nonsense. The decision to allow homegrown marijuana defeats these efforts. When it comes to home grow operations, it doesn’t matter what your regulations are—the government will never know if they are being followed or not.
The negative health impacts of legalization don’t stop there. You have the problems of second-hand smoke, exposure to children, impaired driving, and the fact that smoking marijuana is far more harmful to your health than smoking cigarettes. All of these issues will be exacerbated by legalization due to the increased usage which inevitably follows. Instead of diminishing health impacts, legalization will be increasing them.
Determining who gets to keep the tax revenue from marijuana sales is like deciding who gets to keep the tolls collected on the road to tragedy. Bill C-45 is horrible legislation which will not achieve its objectives and should never see the light of day. The Senate will do its job and thoroughly study the Bill, but Canadians will be well-served if it is defeated.
Betty Unger is a Senator from Alberta.
 

cannadan

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In the words of Dr. Amy Porath, Director, Research and Policy at the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction, “There should be no cannabis use below the age of 25 if you want to protect brain development.”

They should seriously fund some studies....that can prove this or shut up...
I'm betting they can not.
 

cannadan

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Alcohol ya for sure..... and a thousand, other, more poisonous substances, when compared to the basically inert substance known as cannabis.
There needs to be a list kept of all these a-holes and their parties, who are spewing and or repeating information that is already known to be falsely stated ort just plain incorrect,...known as the WNTVF list. (who not to vote for-list)
If they are willing to go on the record as being against cannabis, for fabricated and untrue reasons, there really needs to be consequences
for these F-ck's, consequences that directly affect their ability to earn money, from the public domain
 

GreenHighlander

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It is beyond infuriating to continue to hear these ignorant prohibitionists continue to talk and form a law around just complete ignorance and falsehoods.
I in now way am saying it cannot harm young people, impair some peoples driving, and so on. But without actual studies backing up these claims they absolutely need to STFU and stop their fear mongering.
I want my Canadian government to put even half the effort into current hard drug epidemic that is killing thousands a year.
PS I cant help but wonder why they are so worried about the effect on the developing mind from cannabis but yet most are fine with prescribing " psych meds" to children.
Again show the science or STFU with the myths and feelings.
Cheers
 

TheRealDman

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It is beyond infuriating to continue to hear these ignorant prohibitionists continue to talk and form a law around just complete ignorance and falsehoods.
I in now way am saying it cannot harm young people, impair some peoples driving, and so on. But without actual studies backing up these claims they absolutely need to STFU and stop their fear mongering.
I want my Canadian government to put even half the effort into current hard drug epidemic that is killing thousands a year.
PS I cant help but wonder why they are so worried about the effect on the developing mind from cannabis but yet most are fine with prescribing " psych meds" to children.
Again show the science or STFU with the myths and feelings.
Cheers
And another whom can see thru the BS...welcome! :)
 

GreenHighlander

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I have been in the shadows of the medical cannabis world since the late 90s. I personally have been partaking, or should I say partoking, since the age of 12.(Grew my first plants at 14) I am the only one in my family who does, and not a single relative of mine would not say it has saved my life many times over. I have watched far far too many people take their lives back thanks to the help of this wondrous plant. I have watched many many good people go to jail simply for choosing the less harmful AND more effective medication.
More then any of it I hate how our government keeps the criminals involved in cannabis, recreational or medical.
Free the herb, Free the people!!
Decriminalization is the only answer.
 

cannadan

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welcome to the board GreenHighlander...
free the herb is right...though my preference would have been full on legalization (Free the people)
with anyone and or everyone being able to participate to the degree they would feel comfortable at.
maybe just a few basic rules but otherwise a free market that involves a honest look at competition and what it could
have done for this country.
They have taken what could have been an industry that added billions to the economy,between actual sales and accessories (the larger part of the market) which we would have seen mushroom into massive amount of sustainable businesses and a huge employment increase due to the new sector...
and the real jobs it could have contributed.
Instead a tightly closed market, with basically no public participation beyond the OLD BOYS CLUB ,which will seriously stunt the market
and turn what could have billions into mere hundreds of millions, while the taxpayer (smoker or not) will foot the bill for healthcare costs and any potential social costs (though probably minor considering the substance).
They have also managed to seriously get your " back hair to stand up" when it comes to the assault on the culture,by those who are not , part of the culture by rather your former jailer's and their henchmen..
SIT BACK AND WATCH...while we hand them the crippling blow they deserve...by never purchasing a gram of LP crap
 

TheRealDman

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welcome to the board GreenHighlander...
free the herb is right...though my preference would have been full on legalization (Free the people)
with anyone and or everyone being able to participate to the degree they would feel comfortable at.
maybe just a few basic rules but otherwise a free market that involves a honest look at competition and what it could
have done for this country.
They have taken what could have been an industry that added billions to the economy,between actual sales and accessories (the larger part of the market) which we would have seen mushroom into massive amount of sustainable businesses and a huge employment increase due to the new sector...
and the real jobs it could have contributed.
Instead a tightly closed market, with basically no public participation beyond the OLD BOYS CLUB ,which will seriously stunt the market
and turn what could have billions into mere hundreds of millions, while the taxpayer (smoker or not) will foot the bill for healthcare costs and any potential social costs (though probably minor considering the substance).
They have also managed to seriously get your " back hair to stand up" when it comes to the assault on the culture,by those who are not , part of the culture by rather your former jailer's and their henchmen..
SIT BACK AND WATCH...while we hand them the crippling blow they deserve...by never purchasing a gram of LP crap
:clap:
 

GreenHighlander

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I do not see it as the big market or economy boost everyone is fixated on. It sure would be with the prices kept at the currently, ridiculously , inflated mark.
Taking the monetary value out of it would actually weed out the criminals and money hungry folks it is currently attracting.
We would all be left with not only a safer for everyone system, but we would only be left with people who actually care for the right reasons left.
I have no issue with money being made off of recreational use, the issue is with the recreational street value being kept so high it is actually a very very real personal safety issue for sick people to supply their own medicine.
That is the main reason I support decriminalization over legalization.
It should be worth no more then any other produce or plant.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
It is beyond infuriating to continue to hear these ignorant prohibitionists continue to talk and form a law around just complete ignorance and falsehoods.
I in now way am saying it cannot harm young people, impair some peoples driving, and so on. But without actual studies backing up these claims they absolutely need to STFU and stop their fear mongering.
I want my Canadian government to put even half the effort into current hard drug epidemic that is killing thousands a year.
PS I cant help but wonder why they are so worried about the effect on the developing mind from cannabis but yet most are fine with prescribing " psych meds" to children.
Again show the science or STFU with the myths and feelings.
Cheers
they are VERY worried about losing control..which they lost already. many years ago...bongsmilie
They are extremely concerned with the MONEY THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE and they have no fucking clue how to stop it.:dunce::finger::roll: ........................:eyesmoke::weed:

THEYVE BEEN TOLD!
so...now..its time to watch them burn..

NO ONE WILL GO TO JAIL
and the
FINES WILL GO AWAY!

no matter if THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!

MMya...8-)
 

GreenHighlander

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Decriminalization would simply make you and your children walking ATM's for the police. Legalization is definitely the way to go, but like everything else, the government will fuck it up. We'll get there eventually, but it'll be a shit-show for years..
How so?
Nobody gets fined for growing or having too many tomatoes. Nor do they for brewing or having too much homebrew booze even.
We no longer waste money on police enforcement in regards to cannabis and instead focus them on the drugs that are actually killing people and ruining lives.
My point is removing the huge street value it currently has would remove the criminals including those in suits.
Also it will NEVER be controlled. It has been underground for too long and has far too many benefits for that to ever be a possibility.
Cheers :)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Nobody gets fined for growing or having too many tomatoes. Nor do they for brewing or having too much homebrew booze even
Neither one of those activities is 'decriminalized'. Both are legal. Where is the comparison? Decrim simply means you get a fine instead of a criminal record. Cannabis will eventually be regulated on par with booze, but that's as free as it's going to get, imo.
 

GreenHighlander

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Neither one of those activities is 'decriminalized'. Both are legal. Where is the comparison? Decrim simply means you get a fine instead of a criminal record. Cannabis will eventually be regulated on par with booze, but that's as free as it's going to get, imo.
I would like your posts if I could lol
Fine then my stance changes to completely legal with zero regulations.
My original point of decriminalization was as apposed to the current BS legalization.
I am sure we can all agree it is a complete and total joke, and keeps the criminals in it.
Cheers :)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I would like your posts if I could lol
Fine then my stance changes to completely legal with zero regulations.
My original point of decriminalization was as apposed to the current BS legalization.
I am sure we can all agree it is a complete and total joke, and keeps the criminals in it.
Cheers :)
I hear ya. Too bad Ottawa didn't hear us when we told them. There will always be regulations but they will relax with time. We can grow and we can share legally...bout covers it for most
 
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