Mass shootings, what do they have in common?

Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Other than using firearms and not going to gun shops, shooting ranges or police stations to do their killing?

They all had a history of anti depressant/ssri drugs... why isn't anybody talking about that?

Gun control is like banning cars because of drunk drivers. How about we run background checks on car buyers? Or a bartender has to do a background check before he can serve you that beer? Or banning cars that can go faster than 55 mph, after all, why do you need a car that goes faster than that?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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I don't think the mass shootings of the 60s and 70s had that feature. I counsel against trying to find a uniform feature to blame for these things; that would make the guns, yes side as guilty of trying to find guns innocent or even irrelevant ... as the opponents who want to pin the blame on the gun.
Most importantly, it perpetuates the fundamental American delusion that there is always a fix. It goes hand in hand with the wish/demand that life itself be safed. And that is where we fail. Jmo. cn
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Mr Neutron said:
Other than using firearms and not going to gun shops, shooting ranges or police stations to do their killing?

They all had a history of anti depressant/ssri drugs... why isn't anybody talking about that?

Gun control is like banning cars because of drunk drivers. How about we run background checks on car buyers? Or a bartender has to do a background check before he can serve you that beer? Or banning cars that can go faster than 55 mph, after all, why do you need a car that goes faster than that?
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Big pharma has congress bought. It's that simple.
 
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coffeesick

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I am guessing ego and criminality are at least two things they have in common; Careful not to give murderous freaks a scapegoat.
 
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RainerRocks

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If they talked about that very big important part then
the goverment wouldn't be able to do what they really had/have in mind which
is to disarm American citizens.


The goverment doesn't give a crap about these killings..there's a cabal
who wants to disarm America for more nefarious reasons and they can't have
armed Americans get in their way down the road.

Little by little the Gov takes a bite and before you know it .......

You need to understand one thing...they don't care about these killings..they use
these horrible acts to push their agenda along.


Mr Neutron said:
Other than using firearms and not going to gun shops, shooting ranges or police stations to do their killing?

They all had a history of anti depressant/ssri drugs... why isn't anybody talking about that?

Gun control is like banning cars because of drunk drivers. How about we run background checks on car buyers? Or a bartender has to do a background check before he can serve you that beer? Or banning cars that can go faster than 55 mph, after all, why do you need a car that goes faster than that?
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Saltrock

Saltrock

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Since no one wants to ban guns or make access to guns harder, maybe we should kill everybody with mental disorders. Why not? I mean since we are trying to figure out the common factor in all these killings, lets just kill the people and leave the guns alone.

Oh, and the cars are more dangerous argument is lame.

Peace
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Saltrock said:
Since no one wants to ban guns or make access to guns harder, maybe we should kill everybody with mental disorders. Why not? I mean since we are trying to figure out the common factor in all these killings, lets just kill the people and leave the guns alone.

Oh, and the cars are more dangerous argument is lame.

Peace
Salt
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I'm not sure I understand your point, but I support your right to end your own life if that is what you choose.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Saltrock said:
Since no one wants to ban guns or make access to guns harder, maybe we should kill everybody with mental disorders. Why not? I mean since we are trying to figure out the common factor in all these killings, lets just kill the people and leave the guns alone.

Oh, and the cars are more dangerous argument is lame.

Peace
Salt
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But why does a gun argument always have to be about access? Are there not other good places to apply the lever? Like, say, misbehavior with guns. I get the vibe that "hey, we're Americans, you can't tell us how to [word!] behave!" Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of behavior. I suggest that the problem isn't guns but mean/dumb acts with guns, but for a cultural reason addressing the behavior is taboo, while addressing access is being held out as the great hope for the future. Do you see the imbalance there? cn
 
Saltrock

Saltrock

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cannabineer said:
But why does a gun argument always have to be about access? Are there not other good places to apply the lever? Like, say, misbehavior with guns. I get the vibe that "hey, we're Americans, you can't tell us how to [word!] behave!" Freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of behavior. I suggest that the problem isn't guns but mean/dumb acts with guns, but for a cultural reason addressing the behavior is taboo, while addressing access is being held out as the great hope for the future. Do you see the imbalance there? cn
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The argument about access is important, I don't know how you stop a mentally deranged person from so easily purchasing weapons without making access stricter. Yes some people will go through the black market to buy there guns, but for me I don't know shady people nor do I want to. Why would I go to some ghetto trying to buy guns when there is a chance I might get jacked or shot. When I could just go on the internet and buy 6,000 rounds of ammo and guns? What kind of lever can be applied to the misbehavior of guns? There may be an imbalance, but for good reason, we can't prevent someone acting a fool, but we can make it harder for someone to act a fool with a gun. Also people say in countries with gun control that violent crimes go up, well ill tell you one thing I'd rather confront a guy wielding a knife or a bat then someone toting a gun. Hard to kill 26 people with a knife wouldn't you agree?

Why is no one up in arms that they can't get a bazooka, RPG's , grenades? I mean if the real reason is you want to have comparable guns to the military, then why doesn't the NRA fight for that right?

Peace
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mr2shim

mr2shim

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Saltrock said:
The argument about access is important, I don't know how you stop a mentally deranged person from so easily purchasing weapons without making access stricter. Yes some people will go through the black market to buy there guns, but for me I don't know shady people nor do I want to. Why would I go to some ghetto trying to buy guns when there is a chance I might get jacked or shot. When I could just go on the internet and buy 6,000 rounds of ammo and guns? What kind of lever can be applied to the misbehavior of guns? There may be an imbalance, but for good reason, we can't prevent someone acting a fool, but we can make it harder for someone to act a fool with a gun. Also people say in countries with gun control that violent crimes go up, well ill tell you one thing I'd rather confront a guy wielding a knife or a bat then someone toting a gun. Hard to kill 26 people with a knife wouldn't you agree?

Why is no one up in arms that they can't get a bazooka, RPG's , grenades? I mean if the real reason is you want to have comparable guns to the military, then why doesn't the NRA fight for that right?

Peace
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Do you think it's possible to get rid of every gun in this country?
 
Saltrock

Saltrock

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No, but If you ban assault type guns, then through time availability should diminish. I don't think we should ban hand guns, rifles and shotguns.

Peace
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Saltrock said:
No, but If you ban assault type guns, then through time availability should diminish. I don't think we should ban hand guns, rifles and shotguns.

Peace
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I don't know of an "assault-type" gun that isn't a handgun, rifle or shotgun.

And in post 11 you begged the question: you said that you cannot control access without restricting access. From there, you embarked on a flight of unrestrained fancy. Show me a gun for sale in the US on the Internet that can be bought without an FFL holder handling the sale. cn
 
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RainerRocks

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A freaking database for legal gun owners who aren't criminals ..what a joke !

How about a database for criminals so we can draw up a map
of where they live so we can choose not to live near them or arm ourselves against them.

I rather take the occasional mass shooting (Rather not it happen of course ) than the rampant shootings that go on everyday in this country.But it's too politically incorrect to talk about these everyday shooting. Being that this will never be addressed I want to be able to protect myself from the criminals who commit more murders in one month than every mass shooter put together.

BAD GUYS DON'T OBEY LAWS AND THAT INCLUDES GUN LAWS SO THESE LAWS ONLY HURT THE GOOD GUY !
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Saltrock said:
No, but If you ban assault type guns, then through time availability should diminish. I don't think we should ban hand guns, rifles and shotguns.

Peace
Salt
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Ok, although I don't exactly agree with banning them it's not going to end my life. So let's assume they do. The millions of assault rifles will be grandfathered in. What's stopping someone from stealing one, like the kid did in newtown, like the kid did in colorado and going on a shooting spree?

What about the everyday shootings? Are those less important. Your logic seems to suggest they are. You'd rather do something about the one or two mass shootings that happen every year or two than do something about the shootings that happen every single day. Is it because the body count is only one or two per shooting?
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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mr2shim said:
Ok, although I don't exactly agree with banning them it's not going to end my life. So let's assume they do. The millions of assault rifles will be grandfathered in. What's stopping someone from stealing one, like the kid did in newtown, like the kid did in colorado and going on a shooting spree?

What about the everyday shootings? Are those less important. Your logic seems to suggest they are. You'd rather do something about the one or two mass shootings that happen every year or two than do something about the shootings that happen every single day. Is it because the body count is only one or two per shooting?
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The news only sensationalizes multiple homicides that tug at people's emotions. IE old people, children, babies. People get shot in ones and twos and they only get a 10 second mention in the news.

The rare and unusual gain so much hype and attention that the uninformed masses FREAK OUT! "OMG what is the deal with guns all the sudden? We need to do something!" Retards.

Then the president jumps in and says "No law will prevent the rare individual from doing evil, but here is a 20 point law that we should push through anyways. Just in case." Smirk.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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mr2shim said:
Ok, although I don't exactly agree with banning them it's not going to end my life. So let's assume they do. The millions of assault rifles will be grandfathered in. What's stopping someone from stealing one, like the kid did in newtown, like the kid did in colorado and going on a shooting spree?

What about the everyday shootings? Are those less important. Your logic seems to suggest they are. You'd rather do something about the one or two mass shootings that happen every year or two than do something about the shootings that happen every single day. Is it because the body count is only one or two per shooting?
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The only place there are millions of assault rifles in the nation are in the military and police armories. cn
 
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