Mature goes perpetual :-)

Yall are talking like ms is gonna close the thread, don't do it ms, it aint worth it!! J/K'ing

Hey MS thanks for the reply. I can totally understand why you would want jars in reserve instead of smaller amounts of good the stuff. By the look of the results you get from a few small cfl lights, you should do real well with a 250hps. Even with my lack of experience and the poor ventilation in the closet, a couple of last summers afghan plants weighed in over 2oz each. The winter grow that just finished didn't do so well per plant but overall there seemed to be more!! (scales sold due to paranoia). I will upload a few pics of various bits including the adopted ladies later..

unfortunately its the opposite story to yours here and now. A small cfl grow maybe in order to combat this heat. The mrs will only let me grow in that one closet..barrr humbug!!. Atleast Its good to see the weed still looks nice and crystally

btw do you lable the pots ann widdecombe etc. Atleast if the worst happens again it will be a bit of a laugh hearing the evidence being read out.."we of the local pig force visited Mr Matures pad in the early hours coz we suspected him of weed growing. Thats when we found ann widdecombe and friends hiding in the closet. lol very funny

well anyhow its good to be here.sorry if this is a bit of a thread hijack. good luck with whatever plans you decide to run with.

scars said:

btw do you lable the pots ann widdecombe etc. Atleast if the worst happens again it will be a bit of a laugh hearing the evidence being read out.."we of the local pig force visited Mr Matures pad in the early hours coz we suspected him of weed growing. Thats when we found ann widdecombe and friends hiding in the closet. lol very funny

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ha ha that just made me LMFAOAYMF !!! after a big fatty of the snow white

wow MS i dont think i even wrote that much in my english exam when i left school . i knew something was up and you had been scratching ur head as you havnt pooped by my new grow journal lol.

you are the master with the cfl's as you have shown from past grows and plants, that kush and NL were monsters and were just as fat as the snow whites i have grown with the HPS! and even with the HPS you would be using less electricity and you can go for less plants with higher yields as you told me and thats exactly what im gonna do now, just about everything i have learnt has come from you all i can say is go for it mate after all this game is all about keeping yourself in smoke and for free and not having to deal with those horrible deallers that try and sell you 2.5 grams as an 8th for £25 yes i had someone i know try and do that to me a little while back!

so what have you planned out so far? i would pick a couple strains that you fancy (femd seeds) and veg them up nice and let the rest of your plants finish under the HPS as soon as you get it set up.

anyway what ever you decide will be awesome and we shall all look forward to what you come up with, i bought my HPS for £30 second hand of ebay, it say HPS/MH on it so get one like that then you can use both

im gonna stop waffling on and go make a coffee and look forward to an update

Hey ms. I'm not far off the same headspace you're in just now.
Sorry it isn't panning out. I agree about the cuttings being slower off the mark than seeds, when I tried them last summer I had 6 in my case where 4 seedlings fill it right up.
I also agree with everyone else though, you're a dab hand at this stuff and maybe all you need to do is find a space in your cloning chamber for 3 weeks vegging before they go into the flower room.
You know you'll do fine under HID but smoking that bud is still 6 months away and you'll be needing something to keep you going in the meantime. Give it a go.
Chin up fella.

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Hey MS, I haven't totally given up. I am seeing what you are seeing with respects to the behavior of the plants, seed vs clone. It is the one thing that I have going now. I am also looking at dirt vs hempy. I allready see that once I have a plant started, that a hydro setup makes that plant grow alot faster. But it is still a problem for a fast turn around like we were trying for in a perpetual grow. the plant has to recover from clipping then grow roots before it can grow. I agree that is too long. I also think that going from water to dirt is also an issue for a clone.(That could be an issue from some thing I am doing wrong.)

I just think that if we are going to do perpetual growing we need the room to have about 10 plants going through all the stages. and figure on a 4-5 month turn around. 18-20 weeks. just what I am seeing I think that is way to much.

So your not alone with your frustrations. thats why my signature says:
Smile things could be worst, so sure enough I smiled and things got worst!

Wow, thanks for all the replys to my post, it really gave me a boost Some good points made there re clones v seedplants. Whatever I decide I will carry on because I've been doing this for a long time now and could not bear going back to buying off the streets or via the post again, I like to know exactly what I'm smoking. This morning I have made the decision to completely re bulb with new CFL's in the first instance and up the wattage total in there. When I removed the glass heat screen due to cleaning difficulties I also removed about 90watts of lighting, there's a total of 270 watts in there now I have calculated, down from 360watts before. First thing I will do is to up that again with new bulbs and replace the screen as before. Then I'm going to introduce a couple of seedplants into the perpetual grow, a Kush strain, feminised. I want to persevere with the snow white as I can see its potential and we all saw what tamjam did with the mother plants Took a couple more pics of MsAngel and for 6 weeks 12/12 I know she's got the best yet to come, so if I can hit even a half OZ I'm still in business as Agatha is just 3 weeks behind her.

Soil mix is something else I'm to be changing, going back to my old mix. Experimentation is key to learning about growing but when something works its probably best to stick with it. I'm also going to increase the wattage in my little veg box in order to grow the seedplants for 2/3 weeks before flowering. In terms of time, a seedplant can be well established in 3 weeks from germination and ready to go, whereas it takes on average up to 14 days to root a clone and then you get that period when not much seems to be happening before they begin to take off, so around 3 weeks before a clone is well rooted and just beginning to grow, like you said jjmd, for this type of perpetual/fast turnaround grow the clones are not being given enough time to mature. Seedplants have got to be the answer so I'm going to order a few seeds and get them going.

I wont go on any longer I'll take time to catch up on a few of your threads. Thanks again to everyone for the comments and for lifting my spirits

Sweet!!

I am very happy to hear that our encouragement made the difference!
Keep on Growing!!

shes real pretty

btw if you like couch lock and are thinking of going from seed. The 5 fem pack of magus genetics for £25 is a bargain and should provide a nice selection. warlock and motivation for the day and exile for the night. maaan that exile is some real potent sleep inducing ganja. its ended a few parties earlier than expected lol

That's what we r here for friend! Glad to see you have a good plan in place, can't wait for it to come to fruition.

good man, its good to hear you have planned out what your gonna do now .

tescos have got the 23w 2700k cfl's 3 for a £1 at the minute before they were 5 for a £1 !!! or are you gonna get some bigger wattage ones of the net?

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good man, its good to hear you have planned out what your gonna do now .

tescos have got the 23w 2700k cfl's 3 for a £1 at the minute before they were 5 for a £1 !!! or are you gonna get some bigger wattage ones of the net?

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Cheers tamjam, I'll probably just stick with those 23watt 2700's from Tesco at that price

Another update: the plants in the pictures are:

Right: Agatha' @ 3.5 weeks 12/12.
Centre: MsAngel @ 6.5 weeks 12/12.
Left: Cynthia @ 4 days 12/12.

So all are now 3 weeks apart in flowering. In the little veg box currently is 'Widdecombe' (cut from Agatha). She's just taking off now and has another 2.5 weeks to veg up a bit in there before going into the flower cab. Cynthia is offering me some nice big clones! I'm not sure what to do next, take a couple more cuttings or go back to a seed plant this time.

Looking mighty fine!!

hell yeah they're looking great MS loving the way ms angel was tied down and then stayed down the other two look massive compared to her.

what did you do to MS angels sister? is she being reveged? and yeah go for it and introduce a new strain more flavours cant hurt

hope your enjoying that SW?

Keep up the good work

hey good luck with the re-veg you mentioned on my thread MS, i think that re-vegging plants in a perpetual grow like this could be very valuable to you could be a lifesaver if a clone didnt make it or isnt ready to flower.

looking forward to an update

First I need to get this off my chest .... fu*k and bol*ocks to spider mites! The little sods are almost impossible to totally get rid of once you have them.

This is turning out to be a struggle of a grow so its time for drastic measures. I have decided to keep this box running to finish the Snow Whites and at the same time work on building the new box in the cupboard completely from scratch. The new box will be fully sealed and nothing from the old box can be used so everything will need to be bought again to avoid any risk of transferring those mites. That means new fans, new lights new pots everything. Airflow will be improved and ventilation will be up into the loft where I also plan to add a carbon filter. To that end I will also need to upgrade my fan.

I've had 2 years out of this box and some good yields earlier on but lately I've lost much enthusiasm. I KNOW that I have as good strain in the Snow White and I have them on my fem seeds shopping list for the new box as I wont be able to transfer any clones for risk of infestation. I plan to be squeeky clean in the new home Its the only way forward.

The new box is going to be a sealed box fitted within the cupboard, I have all of the materials to hand to begin building it and I'm drawing up a shopping list for new bulbs/fittings etc. I have decided to stick with CFL's in there because I know that I can control the temps with the ventilation I have planned. The space is in the middle of the house and stays cool even in summer.

Meantime I'm determined to see things through with Agatha and Cynthia (pics below) this may mean running 2 boxes for a while. I've been spraying them with quite high pressure spray (plain water) almost daily to literally blast those things away, my expensive product SCM (spider mite control) does not work beyond maybe helping keeping numbers down. Mites hate humidity and can be drowned in water but they are resistant to most treatments. I dont want to use chemicals on them so I'll keep on blasting them. Its important to make sure buds dry out in a breeze afterwards but it does no harm to them. Little Widdecombe the clone is doing really well but again I wont risk transferring her. I may plant her outdoors once shes bigger.

I cut down MsAngel a few days ago, again way too early but the buds good enough. I was telling tamjam that I'm finding the first SW I cut very strong it really does have a powerful and long lasting hit even cut so early, it beats the Mazar hands down, no doubt about that. Agathas buds are looking nice for 5 weeks 12/12 I just hope I can keep the mites under control enough to stop them webbing on the buds, thats about as much as I can hope for I think, so far its working, they are not enjoying the high pressure spray .

Once the new box is up and running I'll start a new thread, but the old box is planned for use as a space for growing nice fiery chilli pepper varieties after a full strip down.

That's a bummer MS, but I can't wait to follow the saga of the new box, sounds intriguing.

wow MS what a post !! im feeling for you mate, im just praying i dont have to ever deal with those pesky critters.

good luck with the new cupboard, sounds like you got it planned out nicely, i got a cupboard that i dream about its that perfect but its in my 14yo stepsons bedroom which if the police found wouldnt look very good on my part would it! he told me to go ahead and use it but i cant it even has some ganja graffiti inside that looks awesome from when the eldest was at home lol

what femd seed are on you shopping list then?

I just managed to find a single shot of one of my favourite strains 'Purple Rhino x Blue moon'. I have to post it to illustrate why I'm so pi**ed off with what I'm doing right now! This was a beautiful strain and gave me excellent yields under a 600watt HPS but I lost the mother and everything else during the bust 2 years ago. They produced amazing deep purple buds every time. As you can see the pic was taken in the same place I just took the ones of the SW ! See the difference in overall size and I never vegged anything beyond 2 weeks

damn, I really need to get things sorted out, I know I can do so much better!